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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 02, 2021 2:23 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:Either way, it looks like one person would have been killed.

I dont envy their job at all.


No it does not, Max. You are reaching a conclusion prematurely.

Had the cop used a least lethal weapon which he had access to to prevent any deaths, it should have been the choice of the day and used the taser. Killing one person by the cop on the assumption that he was saving another, he too was reaching a conclusion with such decisions, which may bring charges against him for using unwarranted excessive force and manslaughter charges, if not 2nd & 3rd degree murder charges. He was not duty bound to save one life by killing another. He made that decision on his own, therefore he also needs to face the consequences.

It is no wonder people do not get involved in such disputes in the US as Good Samaritans, because they would get sued by the person they were trying to help if something went wrong. They had to create “The Good Samaritan Act Law” in the hopes to protect those giving help to those needing it. To many, it is still a gamble and a risk.

Let’s face is, America has a violent society and the system is fucked up no matter how most Americans are, which is very friendly and it is a beautiful country, but it is still fucked up from it’s politics to societal problems to crimes to a trickle down economics in the land of brute capitalism where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer with the shrinking middle class in a dog eat dog system of have’s and have nots.


It does look like the girl in pink would have lost her life if she got stabbed.

And yes, you are also just second guessing the outcome as well.


No, I am not second guessing the outcome. I can only go by what has occurred and not by what might have occurred. Big difference.


It was so obvious that the girl in pink would have been stabbed and it does look like it would likely be very fatal.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Sun May 02, 2021 2:25 pm

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In London there are two units of armed police response units which are looking after the whole of London. Not all the police need to armed. Look around to see how other countries deal with crime. Logic says policing works better when it is conventual rather than confrontational. With consensual you have the public behind you with confrontational the public will not help you. Those who have taken on board defunding the police have got it, the rest will follow soon.


Is that why kids are stabbing and killing each other and London has become the knife crime capital of the world?

This is what defunding the police gets you, they dont have enough resources to deal with serious crimes and kids dying on the streets.

The mayor should resign,

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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 02, 2021 2:26 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:Either way, it looks like one person would have been killed.

I dont envy their job at all.


No it does not, Max. You are reaching a conclusion prematurely.

Had the cop used a least lethal weapon which he had access to to prevent any deaths, it should have been the choice of the day and used the taser. Killing one person by the cop on the assumption that he was saving another, he too was reaching a conclusion with such decisions, which may bring charges against him for using unwarranted excessive force and manslaughter charges, if not 2nd & 3rd degree murder charges. He was not duty bound to save one life by killing another. He made that decision on his own, therefore he also needs to face the consequences.

It is no wonder people do not get involved in such disputes in the US as Good Samaritans, because they would get sued by the person they were trying to help if something went wrong. They had to create “The Good Samaritan Act Law” in the hopes to protect those giving help to those needing it. To many, it is still a gamble and a risk.

Let’s face is, America has a violent society and the system is fucked up no matter how most Americans are, which is very friendly and it is a beautiful country, but it is still fucked up from it’s politics to societal problems to crimes to a trickle down economics in the land of brute capitalism where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer with the shrinking middle class in a dog eat dog system of have’s and have nots.


It does look like the girl in pink would have lost her life if she got stabbed.

And yes, you are also just second guessing the outcome as well.


No, I am not second guessing the outcome. I can only go by what has occurred and not by what might have occurred. Big difference.


Me too.

One girl wasn't able to protect herself against a potentially lethal stabbing, so the police officer that was called to the scene had to react in the heat of the moment to act on her behalf,

thats about it, in a nutshell.


No, you are saying had the police did not shoot the girl with the knife, the lady in the pink would have been killed by the knife. There’s no way you can conclude that and neither should the cop since he had other options. He choose the deadly one and now he must answer to it.


Yes you can from the evidence at hand.

Even if she was stabbed and did not die, police can not take that chance.

Imagine if the perpetrator charged police with a gun. Are the police going to say "I'm about to be stabbed but there is a chance I won't die" And so it's all good. Good luck with that lunacy.

Police will be pulling out their guns (not tazers) and it's bye bye knife bearer.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 02, 2021 2:30 pm

Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:Either way, it looks like one person would have been killed.

I dont envy their job at all.


No it does not, Max. You are reaching a conclusion prematurely.

Had the cop used a least lethal weapon which he had access to to prevent any deaths, it should have been the choice of the day and used the taser. Killing one person by the cop on the assumption that he was saving another, he too was reaching a conclusion with such decisions, which may bring charges against him for using unwarranted excessive force and manslaughter charges, if not 2nd & 3rd degree murder charges. He was not duty bound to save one life by killing another. He made that decision on his own, therefore he also needs to face the consequences.

It is no wonder people do not get involved in such disputes in the US as Good Samaritans, because they would get sued by the person they were trying to help if something went wrong. They had to create “The Good Samaritan Act Law” in the hopes to protect those giving help to those needing it. To many, it is still a gamble and a risk.

Let’s face is, America has a violent society and the system is fucked up no matter how most Americans are, which is very friendly and it is a beautiful country, but it is still fucked up from it’s politics to societal problems to crimes to a trickle down economics in the land of brute capitalism where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer with the shrinking middle class in a dog eat dog system of have’s and have nots.


It does look like the girl in pink would have lost her life if she got stabbed.

And yes, you are also just second guessing the outcome as well.


No, I am not second guessing the outcome. I can only go by what has occurred and not by what might have occurred. Big difference.


Me too.

One girl wasn't able to protect herself against a potentially lethal stabbing, so the police officer that was called to the scene had to react in the heat of the moment to act on her behalf,

thats about it, in a nutshell.

How do you know she was not able to defend herself, she could be trained in self defense. Judging by the way she had her leg up against her attacker she may well be trained in the art.

Simple people do not understand what defunding the police is about. They assume they police will be powerless to act. Which is totally wrong. They will be sent to an incident where they are required especially the armed ones.

In London there are two units of armed police response units which are looking after the whole of London. Not all the police need to armed. Look around to see how other countries deal with crime. Logic says policing works better when it is conventual rather than confrontational. With consensual you have the public behind you with confrontational the public will not help you. Those who have taken on board defunding the police have got it, the rest will follow soon.


Sorry. All police should be armed if they are on the beat. Every single one.

Our's are.

If you don't want them armed in London, then that's your business but in Australia they are armed with Tazers and a Gun each. I like to see my police officers carrying guns. END OF!

In America, it's even more super critical police carry guns. Super super critical.

You guys in London are a bit weird....go hug a tree.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Sun May 02, 2021 2:31 pm

What kiks is saying is like saying,

Someone can point a gun at you and shoot but you shouldn't use lethal force in response because there is a chance they could miss you.

How do you know he will kill you? you can do this that or the other instead.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Sun May 02, 2021 3:04 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:Either way, it looks like one person would have been killed.

I dont envy their job at all.


No it does not, Max. You are reaching a conclusion prematurely.

Had the cop used a least lethal weapon which he had access to to prevent any deaths, it should have been the choice of the day and used the taser. Killing one person by the cop on the assumption that he was saving another, he too was reaching a conclusion with such decisions, which may bring charges against him for using unwarranted excessive force and manslaughter charges, if not 2nd & 3rd degree murder charges. He was not duty bound to save one life by killing another. He made that decision on his own, therefore he also needs to face the consequences.

It is no wonder people do not get involved in such disputes in the US as Good Samaritans, because they would get sued by the person they were trying to help if something went wrong. They had to create “The Good Samaritan Act Law” in the hopes to protect those giving help to those needing it. To many, it is still a gamble and a risk.

Let’s face is, America has a violent society and the system is fucked up no matter how most Americans are, which is very friendly and it is a beautiful country, but it is still fucked up from it’s politics to societal problems to crimes to a trickle down economics in the land of brute capitalism where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer with the shrinking middle class in a dog eat dog system of have’s and have nots.


It does look like the girl in pink would have lost her life if she got stabbed.

And yes, you are also just second guessing the outcome as well.


No, I am not second guessing the outcome. I can only go by what has occurred and not by what might have occurred. Big difference.


Me too.

One girl wasn't able to protect herself against a potentially lethal stabbing, so the police officer that was called to the scene had to react in the heat of the moment to act on her behalf,

thats about it, in a nutshell.


No, you are saying had the police did not shoot the girl with the knife, the lady in the pink would have been killed by the knife. There’s no way you can conclude that and neither should the cop since he had other options. He choose the deadly one and now he must answer to it.


Yes you can from the evidence at hand.

Even if she was stabbed and did not die, police can not take that chance.

Imagine if the perpetrator charged police with a gun. Are the police going to say "I'm about to be stabbed but there is a chance I won't die" And so it's all good. Good luck with that lunacy.

Police will be pulling out their guns (not tazers) and it's bye bye knife bearer.


That is their personal choice, but their actions may have consequences that may land them in legal problems as I believe what will happen with this cop.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Lordo » Sun May 02, 2021 3:17 pm

He will have one last defence as yet not tested in the courts, claiming he though he had made a mistake and was going for his gun. Unfortunately for him, he shot his weapon multiple times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56724798
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 02, 2021 3:23 pm

Maximus wrote:What kiks is saying is like saying,

Someone can point a gun at you and shoot but you shouldn't use lethal force in response because there is a chance they could miss you.

How do you know he will kill you? you can do this that or the other instead.


Well, police's job is to make sure they won't kill you.

So if they point a gun at anyone, then bye bye. Bon voyage to the next world out there somewhere.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 02, 2021 3:24 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:Either way, it looks like one person would have been killed.

I dont envy their job at all.


No it does not, Max. You are reaching a conclusion prematurely.

Had the cop used a least lethal weapon which he had access to to prevent any deaths, it should have been the choice of the day and used the taser. Killing one person by the cop on the assumption that he was saving another, he too was reaching a conclusion with such decisions, which may bring charges against him for using unwarranted excessive force and manslaughter charges, if not 2nd & 3rd degree murder charges. He was not duty bound to save one life by killing another. He made that decision on his own, therefore he also needs to face the consequences.

It is no wonder people do not get involved in such disputes in the US as Good Samaritans, because they would get sued by the person they were trying to help if something went wrong. They had to create “The Good Samaritan Act Law” in the hopes to protect those giving help to those needing it. To many, it is still a gamble and a risk.

Let’s face is, America has a violent society and the system is fucked up no matter how most Americans are, which is very friendly and it is a beautiful country, but it is still fucked up from it’s politics to societal problems to crimes to a trickle down economics in the land of brute capitalism where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer with the shrinking middle class in a dog eat dog system of have’s and have nots.


It does look like the girl in pink would have lost her life if she got stabbed.

And yes, you are also just second guessing the outcome as well.


No, I am not second guessing the outcome. I can only go by what has occurred and not by what might have occurred. Big difference.


Me too.

One girl wasn't able to protect herself against a potentially lethal stabbing, so the police officer that was called to the scene had to react in the heat of the moment to act on her behalf,

thats about it, in a nutshell.


No, you are saying had the police did not shoot the girl with the knife, the lady in the pink would have been killed by the knife. There’s no way you can conclude that and neither should the cop since he had other options. He choose the deadly one and now he must answer to it.


Yes you can from the evidence at hand.

Even if she was stabbed and did not die, police can not take that chance.

Imagine if the perpetrator charged police with a gun. Are the police going to say "I'm about to be stabbed but there is a chance I won't die" And so it's all good. Good luck with that lunacy.

Police will be pulling out their guns (not tazers) and it's bye bye knife bearer.


That is their personal choice, but their actions may have consequences that may land them in legal problems as I believe what will happen with this cop.


How? If they are armed and threatening to shoot people or carrying a knife about to stab someone, how is shooting them going to land them into trouble?
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 02, 2021 4:04 pm

One day I was in my favourite bakery for my cuppa of espresso, and that absolutely amazing copper came in. Blond and extremely beautiful. Wearing a bullet proof vest, side arm, tazer, and last but certainly not least, cuffs. long hair in a pony tail swaying from side to side as she walked through the bakery to order her donuts. We are so blessed to have great police in Australia. :lol:

She made me feel like committing a crime. So the thought crossed my mind, to steal a donut. Then resist arrest so she can put me in a thigh head lock. :lol:
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