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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:41 pm

A very interesting perspective from an American who traveled to Iran

It took him 7 months to get an approval to enter Iran and when he got there he found a very friendly place and an Iranian Population which is not very partial to the Ayatollah.

A country of little freedom, and restricted internet (Buzzfeed, Washington Post, Twiiter, Facebook are all restricted among other websites). Breaking the rules will land you in jail.

A country where 7 youth were sentenced to receive 100 lashes in public for posting an American Rock video with them dancing to it. No freedom of the press, and Iran is bottom of many Human Rights indices along with Saudi Arabia.

But on the positive side. Iran's youth is very pro West. They love America and Americans even and they are pushing for an open and very progressive society. They are the generation which will bring The Mullahs crashing down with a very big thud and Iran will return to a more Shah like Government that will open Iran up for business with the entire world.

We stand in solidarity with these young ones who want to wear whatever they want, listen to Western Music, have a free press, freedom of association and a free internet.



As always, we stand with te Iranian people and wish them every luck in their endeavor, wish and struggle for a better Iran. We support their right to free themselves from The Mullahs!
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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:06 pm

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A very interesting perspective from an American who travelled to Iran.

An Iranian would not even be allowed to enter the US, let alone roam around with a camera crew!

It took him 7 months to get an approval to enter Iran and when he got there he found a very friendly place and an Iranian Population which is not very partial to the Ayatollah.

See above. The American people are not very keen on their politicians either .... so what's the difference? I never had any difficulty getting an entry or work permit and was free to go where I wanted .......... provided I got the permit from the police, which was never a problem, if I wanted to drive outside the district.

A country of little freedom, and restricted internet (Buzzfeed, Washington Post, Twiiter, Facebook are all restricted among other websites). Breaking the rules will land you in jail.

They have 'controlled' freedom ..... they have rules, something you don’t like. They are very simple rules and if you stick to them you are safer in Iran than you would be in Saudi or even the US. They restrict ‘fake’ news they don’t like ...... just like they are now doing in the West, articles are posted in the independent news sites on a regular basis ..... but you don't read them so you are unaware!

A country where 7 youth were sentenced to receive 100 lashes in public for posting an American Rock video with them dancing to it. No freedom of the press, and Iran is bottom of many Human Rights indices along with Saudi Arabia

They broke the rules and flouted it on ‘Youtube’. Their treatment in the West we would deem excessive but what about Guantanamo .... isn’t that a bit harsh for people who have never even been tried because they are supposed to have done something that offended the US?


But on the positive side. Iran's youth is very pro West. They love America and Americans even and they are pushing for an open and very progressive society. They are the generation which will bring The Mullahs crashing down with a very big thud and Iran will return to a more Shah like Government that will open Iran up for business with the entire world

Yes .... all young people have aspirations and want to progress, and in Iran they have progressed but slowly, slowly. They will not ‘......bring the Mullahs down’ just like GC's will never bring down their religious leaders. But in time both people will curb their power and influences as religion generally loses its grip as people become better educated.

I am afraid you don’t understand the Iranian people at all, you have your view which I can asure you is very wide of the reality. YOU see the Iranians as evil and as you are told so often '... the Worlds biggest supporter of terrorism' although the majority of people believe that description is more fitting for the US/Israel. But you are unable to separate the people from their government. The Iranian people DO separate the American people from their Government, because they are better educated than the average American and that could not have been clearer in this video. Most Americans couldn’t find Iran on a map and would certainly fail to locate Tehran.


We stand in solidarity with these young ones who want to wear whatever they want, listen to Western Music, have a free press, freedom of association and a free internet.

BULLSHIT! YOU want Iran’s resources under your total control like you wanted all the resources of other countries and in spite of destroying them and alienating your selves from those people, you have still not stolen their resources. YOU have no regard or respect for the people of these countries at all, all you want is what you preach ‘AMERICA FIRST!’ ....... and that says it all.

YOUR history just over the last 2-3 decades spells out what the US has in store for any country that resists their hegemoney. Iran has had a couple of doses of attempted regime change perpetrated by the US/UK ........ and YOU will not get another chance. Now of course we have the new kids on the block and it is to them that many countries are now turning and forming both security and commercial alliances.

The deal with Iran shows that the US cannot be trusted to honour agreements!
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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:11 pm

One after the other, America's henchmen from around the world are clashing with Trump... today it was Pakistan's turn.

America is like Pablo Escobar who had his henchmen here and there forever meddling in one affair or the other, but like all cartels there’s a beginning and an end and the US' days as the lead pimp of the underworld seem to be coming to a close. I expect this year to be disastrous on many fronts as the crumbling criminal empire struggles to hold it together but it's a change we desperately need on this planet.
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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:48 pm

Looks like you got it all wrong again Paphitis, but then that was obvious from the start! :lol: :lol:

So what happened to ‘The Iranian Colour Revolution’ ……..…. I expect Trump is working on Plan ‘B’ with the help of Netanyahu, as we speak? :roll:


Iran: an end to the protests? - by Alexander Mercouris January 4, 2018, 17:45

Iranian authorities claim protest wave has ended, whilst information suggests Iran has experienced a riot wave rather than political protests.

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The key point is that whatever the cause of rioting, and wherever it happens, precisely because rioting is a form of criminal activity it is not usually considered to have any wider political significance.

What is known about the riots in Iran suggest that they are no different.

The fact that the riots in Iran have been reported by some people differently as suggesting some sort of imminent revolution looks for the moment to be more a product of wishful thinking than a true assessment of what has been actually going on.

As for Nikki Haley’s attempt to get no less a body than the UN Security Council to debate the riots, that is just silly
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But she ignores what is going on in Yemen ..... truly amazing! :x

http://theduran.com/iran-end-protests/
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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:26 am

Get Real! wrote:One after the other, America's henchmen from around the world are clashing with Trump... today it was Pakistan's turn.

America is like Pablo Escobar who had his henchmen here and there forever meddling in one affair or the other, but like all cartels there’s a beginning and an end and the US' days as the lead pimp of the underworld seem to be coming to a close. I expect this year to be disastrous on many fronts as the crumbling criminal empire struggles to hold it together but it's a change we desperately need on this planet.


Pakistan is only going for it because Trump let the Pakis have it between the eyes when he told them that USA had sent them 33 Billion worth of aid over the years for little results.

I don't agree with Trump that there have been little results. What the USA has been achieving in Pakistan is promoting moderatism and modernism.

But his style could see Turkey on the hit-list soon, if only our politicians had the vision to understand. His Son In Law is Jewish for heaven sake, so its only a matter of time, and Cyprus should be visiting Trump and establish a dialogue with him but alas...

Australia does the same thing with Indonesia and sends Billions of Dollars and virtually runs their education system in the cities. The last thing we want to see is another Syria where all The Mullahs are running rampant chopping everyone's head off. :lol:

Trump my friend is the ducks nuts. he's the bee's knees mate. The population is warming to him and he is getting very popular because people are coming to understand that the LEFT and SJWs are just so stupid. We are seeing a great administration in America and he has improved the economy pretty much to boom levels already and his low tax policy is certainly left of field also and may deliver even more progress. And he is delivering jobs to the rust belts as American Businesses are returning to re-establish their factories in America rather than face 30% import levies. 8) We will see what happens. But it is clear to me that Trump is the non politician every country needs to crush globalization of our jobs and economy to the slave markets of China, Mexico and Turkey. :lol:

As for Iran. The revolution there is only just starting. These kids don't want to be killed by the Republican Guard or go to jail. But they will rise as their influence rises since the are mostly the educated uni students looking for an open and progressive Iran free from The Mullahs.

I think boys and girls that this movement is undefeated. 8)

A link from one of my favorite international sources - Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ill-angry/

None of that, however, means the country's anger has been soothed. The protests could be the beginning of a longer period of unrest, one that could destabilize both the country's elected government and its theocratic leaders.

“The new protests are different from any since the 1979 revolution,” noted Robin Wright in the New Yorker. “They didn’t start in Tehran, the cosmopolitan capital. The genesis was a small demonstration in Mashhad, Iran’s second-largest city and its holiest site. The city is a bastion of clerical ideologues and political hard-liners.”

Nor are the demonstrators coming from the usual elite and reformist circles. “The activists appear to be largely the working classes and the young,” Wright wrote. So far, 90 percent of the arrests are youths under 25, the deputy interior minister, Hossein Zolfaghari, announced on Tuesday.”


Can you now see the difference here. This uprising is from the bottom up, in the cities and major population centers and from the young and university students.

Might as well give up and hand the keys over right now. Much easier on everybody! 8)
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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:50 am

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As for Iran. The revolution there is only just starting. These kids don't want to be killed by the Republican Guard or go to jail. But they will rise as their influence rises since the are mostly the educated uni students looking for an open and progressive Iran free from The Mullahs.

Their ‘influence’ was zero! They, as your WaP article says, are young men mostly uneducated ..... not as you claim University students.

I think boys and girls that this movement is undefeated.

Take off the rose coloured spectacles ..... it’s finished and now these yobs that killed five police officers and ran down a man and his daughter in a stolen fire truck, will face the music. Those that died trying to break into the armoury in a police station deserved what they got.

A link from one of my favorite international sources - Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ill-angry/

A yes ..... one of the top fake news site alongside NYT and FOX News and CNN ..... I bet you read all their headlines? :lol:

None of that, however, means the country's anger has been soothed. The protests could be the beginning of a longer period of unrest, one that could destabilize both the country's elected government and its theocratic leaders.

Yeah .... I noticed! :roll: Wishful thinking! :lol: :lol: What is it about .... ‘the rioting is finished and the rioters will now go to jail’ ..... that you fail to understand?

“The new protests are different from any since the 1979 revolution,” noted Robin Wright in the New Yorker. “They didn’t start in Tehran, the cosmopolitan capital. The genesis was a small demonstration in Mashhad, Iran’s second-largest city and its holiest site. The city is a bastion of clerical ideologues and political hard-liners.”

The 1979 revolution WASby the educated and working classes ........ these riots were started by the other end of the educational spectrum. Those that are easily misled with lies and deception of a new life of freedom ..... the American way!!! Thank goodness they are the stupid minority.

Nor are the demonstrators coming from the usual elite and reformist circles. “The activists appear to be largely the working classes and the young,” Wright wrote. So far, 90 percent of the arrests are youths under 25, the deputy interior minister, Hossein Zolfaghari, announced on Tuesday.”

As he says ......(read it before posting) ........” Nor are the demonstrators coming from the usual elite and reformist circles” ......... or the University Students, they are too smart to be fooled by US propaganda. The youths are mainly uneducated and likely out of work, so easy fodder for your sort of wild delusions.

Can you now see the difference here. This uprising is from the bottom up, in the cities and major population centers and from the young and university students

Yes ..... the riots stemmed from the discontents in the gutter, groups of illiterate yobs just like their equals in the West. The world has passed them by and they feel they should get what others have worked for .... for nothing.

Might as well give up and hand the keys over right now. Much easier on everybody!

In your dreams Koala .......... there is more chance of the Aboriginals taking their country back and forming a government!
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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:56 am

I meant to say that such a movement is undefeatable anywhere in the world.

You can’t suppress the people forever or expect them to earn $18 per day when eggs cost $4.

People want the Western lifestyle. Iranians are by nature secular. The 79 revolution which bought in the erratic and lunatic Mullahs began in religious Mashhad whereas this movement began in Tehran among the Atheistic working class and young uni students.

As westerners we can only encourage our Iranian friends and we will help them if able to do so by holding a UN Security Council Meeting.

The chooks are coming home to roost boys and girls and before long we will all be singing John Lennon songs. :D
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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:06 am

Paphitis wrote:I meant to say that such a movement is undefeatable anywhere in the world.

You can’t suppress the people forever or expect them to earn $18 per day when eggs cost $4.

People want the Western lifestyle. Iranians are by nature secular. The 79 revolution which bought in the erratic and lunatic Mullahs began in religious Mashhad whereas this movement began in Tehran among the Atheistic working class and young uni students.

As westerners we can only encourage our Iranian friends and we will help them if able to do so by holding a UN Security Council Meeting.

The chooks are coming home to roost boys and girls and before long we will all be singing John Lennon songs. :D


If YOU are so concerned about the will of the people why does Nikki Haley not bring up with the UNSC the war the US/UK are supporting by arming the Saudis for their illegal regime change war against Yemen? You are trying to defend a few hundred yobs but hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of ordinary people are being exterminated by the US/UK/Saudi ....... and the US says nothing!!!!!! Isn't that what they call hypocrisy ?

Surely her abounding compassion for the people of Iran who want to improve their lot and get rid of their government (according to you) , should extend to the Yemenies as well? Why does the US have such sympathy and understanding for a few hundred rioters in Iran when tens of thousands are either being obliterated with US/UK bombs, starved to death or are dying of Cholera and now diphtheria, because they want to get rid of their exiled President and his corrupt government? The Saudies and the US are preventing essentials to life getting through to the people by imposing a blockade of Yemen on land/sea/air? This is also illegal!

The Yanks have the same blind spots as you do. YOU support any 'governments' no matter how brutal and oppressive they are, when it suits you, but will also rush to support any terrorist group to overthrow a government you don't like?

The sooner the US Empire collapses the better. Watch this space ...... the 'chookies' will soon be going back to the US to roost! :x
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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:14 am

If the people can arrange themselves into groups, then we could potentially send them money and aid to help them along on their quest for freedom.

I am sure there will be many countries that will love to pitch in to such a good cause.

We can even start an Iranian Lives Matter hashtag campaign! People can send their tweets of support to encourage the Iranian People. Oh wait! They can’t access Twitter!

Back to the drawing board then!
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Re: Now the US sets its sights on Iran!

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:22 am

Paphitis wrote:If the people can arrange themselves into groups, then we could potentially send them money and aid to help them along on their quest for freedom.

I am sure there will be many countries that will love to pitch in to such a good cause.

We can even start an Iranian Lives Matter hashtag campaign! People can send their tweets of support to encourage the Iranian People. Oh wait! They can’t access Twitter!

Back to the drawing board then!


Why do you never pen a sensible reply but just go off into a world of stupidity and fantasy?

It is not going to happen ..... Iranians are far, far smarter than you appear to give them credit for, in many ways they have freedoms and benefits the US can only dream of and they will not give up the benefits they have to emulate the disaster which US society is blindly slipping into.

Of course you could fund these rioters like you did in Iran (Previously), Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Georgia and of course Syria! You achieved nothing for the people then, just more death and destruction! Singing from the Zionist song sheet just shows up US foreign policy for what it is ..... a Zionist Agenda which is costing the US Tax payer trillions of dollars and all for nothing.

Drawing boards are real old technology ...... never heard of CAD/CAE then?
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