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[Paphitis]

So I am spouting my own opinions, despite Cruise Missiles flying high enough for me to throw a cricket ball at them. OK. What is it that is too hard to understand? The fact that all of you are idiots and reckon you can shoot one down with a party flare. Mmmm! Rightio sunshine. Still no answer over the fact that Syria has never been able to down a single Coalition or israel Aircraft. What's all that about then? I thought they were so good that they shot down 70 out of 103 Cruise Missiles? Interesting!

Well it seems you have it all worked out then that Pootin has nothing else to do but attack RAF Akrotiri. What is he waiting for then?

Apparently bombing RAF Akrotiri is a no risk proposition for him and it wouldn't amount to declaring war against the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. These countries work in unison. In fact, the USA also works in unison as does France and as does Germany and do some many more on top of them. Are you aware that these nations have the very same Commander in Chief? In 1974, the Dhekelia base was defended by Australian and Gurkha (Nepalese) Special Forces around - yes you guessed it, Agios Nikolaos.

They were already prepared and given the Green light to engage any Turkish troops which would infringe on their listening post.

Russia would be at war with all these countries but that's not all, it would be at war with the USA, France, and Germany at the very least and yes, Article 5 would be invoked because Russia was not attacked at any point but somehow it will be ok that they would attack RAF Akrotiri and get away with it.

Pootin isn't that stupid. I never in my life ever accused him of being stupid either. A totalitarian prick yes, but not a stupid fool. He will never attack RAF Akrotiri or Agios Nikolaos because the consequences for him would be extreme and very dire. The consequences for everyone would be very dire because this act of aggression will not go unanswered.

And one more thing, its not just the 147,000 regulars of the UK Armed forces. You forgot to add the 88,000 reservists. On top of that, you forgot to add the Australian, Canadian and Kiwi Armed Forces. You do not think they are linked in any way? They all have the exact same uniforms and ranks. They all have the same Ensigns and Colours on their ships and hence serve the same Flag. Is Agios Nikolaos a joint facility or not? is the NSA involved there or not? They are all Gardeners and Chefs.

So Dream on Einsteins.

[miltiades]

The important aspect is not whether Syria has shot down a hundred or none missiles.
What is of paramount importance is that these 3 nations attacked a sovereign nation
not to help the Syrian people but to show total disregard of a nation's sovereignty
As for the General who considers anyone who opposes this action as an idiot, I say to him. Grow up, Syria should be left alone to sort its own affairs out. The west by intervening has protracted this wretched war and indirectly responsible for thousands killed.

[Paphitis]

If Syrian air defense units were ineffective in stopping U.S. cruise missiles, and most information now points to that outcome (actually, it looks like the Syrians fired their missiles after the last missile had hit), this represents a significant blow to the Assad regime and to Russia’s ability to assist in an effective air defense in the region.
Read more at https://theaviationist.com/2018/04/14/r ... XSm33FQ.99

...interesting, as a contrast, worth reading.

I'm not sure if that is accurate. But it makes a lot of sense because these Cruise Missiles would have only been visible to Syrian and Russian Air Defence in the last 1 to 10 seconds of their flight profile. These Cruise Missiles fly through multiple way-points in order to disguise their approach by taking advantage of the surrounding terrain. They follow a Flight Plan, which is pre-programmed like in a Flight Management Computer.

no one would have had the time to react. The first wave would have already pretty much hit before anyone knew what was going on.

You saw that a big wave of them reigned down on Damascus only about 5 seconds after the first Air Defence shots were fired and they all went upwards rather than interrogate any Cruise Missiles which would have been so low over the Damascus Skyline, and noisey, most people would have been freaking out and saying their prayers. They would have sounded like jet Aircraft at under 100 FT about to crash.

The noise would have been deafening. To the point people would be on the ground thrashing in pain possible with perforated drums.

And you all notice that all of them arrived at virtually the exact same time. The first missiles would have gone into a holding pattern or gone via a longer flight path so that all of them arrive in 1 or 2 batches in order to defeat Air Defence as well. The theory is, that if they all arrive in unison, only a very tiny amount will be able to be interrogated successful from Air Defence where as if they arrived one at a time, Air Defence would have found it a lot easier to defend. They are a very smart weapon.

they would have all came down on Damascus within a 1 or 2 minute window which is just incredible.

[Paphitis]

The important aspect is not whether Syria has shot down a hundred or none missiles.
What is of paramount importance is that these 3 nations attacked a sovereign nation
not to help the Syrian people but to show total disregard of a nation's sovereignty
As for the General who considers anyone who opposes this action as an idiot, I say to him. Grow up, Syria should be left alone to sort its own affairs out. The west by intervening has protracted this wretched war and indirectly responsible for thousands killed.

A sovereign country that uses Chemical Weapons against its own people. You can't get anymore lower than that.

It is in fact a War Crime and a crime Against Humanity.

Do you fucken think it is ok to use Chemical Weapons or place under siege a community of women and children? You are sadly very mistaken. It is a heinous crime so no one in their right mind is going to be criticizing the US, France or the UK other than perhaps Russia, Iran and China (woohoo). On the contrary, most countries will be thinking that it is "about time" and that the US under Obama FAILED in its obligation to deal with this criminal tyrant. Yes Obama, all eyes on you, not Trump. He just inherited you big huge fuck up. The Lefties and Hollywood will never admit it, but Trump had nothing at all to do with the emboldened Pootin monster YOU created. Obama's policies are responsible for the killing of hundreds of thousands of people.

Do you honestly believe this is the solution to radical Islam or just another reason for radical Islam to exist? And do you consider the Ayatollah Khomeini as somehow any better? Do you understand that we are fighting an ideology that people are born into? An ideology that can only be addressed, not beaten into submission.

I have told you this before. Assad has lost the war. He just doesn't know it yet from within his opulent palace. There are no winners here. just eternal war between Sunni and Shia that would continue to go on like it has for the last 700 odd years.

When the Coalition went after ISIL, you were taking the piss. This despite the Coalition achieving its objective. You were taking the piss because the Coalition didn't go after the Free Syrian Army. Reh boutcho! The FSA was backed by the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. they are just the opposite side of the coin to Iran and Hezbollah. Whilst Iran and Hezbollah support one side, we were always going to support the other. It is an unsustainable proposition and one which will continue to bring grief to everyone.

there was only one way out of this eternal war, and Assad backed a military Solution and now its all on for young and old. Do you like it? do you like seeing Genocide and Ethnic or Sectarian Cleansing. that is the tragedy here.The tragedy is that the UN and International Community failed to protect innocent people and then you started to complain about millions of them going through Turkey into Greece and from there into Western Europe.

This war is friggin unheard of since WW2. FACT!

There was a lost opportunity in Syria that could have solved a lot of problems and maybe even bought Saudi Arabia and Iran closer together. That is what needs to be done. Not kill 500,000 people with 8 million on foot as refugees with whatever they can carry.

And the same war continues too in Yemen with the same belligerents. Who knows how many have starved to death. Do you understand now?

the other war the world will need to contend with is the direct war between Israel and Hezbollah and Iran. The Syrian War will only metamorphose and evolve until no one is left standing.

[miltiades]

If the West had stayed out of Syria and not thrown its support to the hundreds of different jihadists it would have been over in months. Instead it has gone on for 7 years with thousands killed and a million plus refugees. The West made a huge error of judgement and we are seeing now the results. Did they really think that with Assad out of the way peace would return to Syria? Who on earth would have replaced Assad, another dictator more ruthless or a ....democrat? Let Syrians sort it out was the only sensible option.
By the way its Putin. This is how the rest of the world refers to him.

[Robin Hood]

The important aspect is not whether Syria has shot down a hundred or none missiles.
What is of paramount importance is that these 3 nations attacked a sovereign nation
not to help the Syrian people but to show total disregard of a nation's sovereignty
As for the General who considers anyone who opposes this action as an idiot, I say to him. Grow up, Syria should be left alone to sort its own affairs out. The west by intervening has protracted this wretched war and indirectly responsible for thousands killed.

A sovereign country that uses Chemical Weapons against its own people. You can't get anymore lower than that.

Like most people we are still waiting for credible evidence that he does use chemical weapons against his own people or even the US backed terrorists. Check the 'Syria' thread, a UK ex-CO of the SAS has it sussed. But then he has one thing you obviously don't have ..... common sense enough to ask the obvious question and draw the obvious conclusion.

It is in fact a War Crime and a crime Against Humanity.

The most heinous crime is to initiate an act of war ...... Nuremburg War Crimes Trails 1945/46 .... and that is what the F.UK.US has done with no credible evidence and were not even prepared to wait for the OPCW investigators report ....... THAT is their war crime. They should end up tried for war crimes along with Blair and his pals.

Do you fucken think it is ok to use Chemical Weapons or place under siege a community of women and children. You are sadly very mistaken.

Didn't YOU use them in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos? Agent orange, napalm, cluster bombs ... maybe before your time? Didn't YOU use them in Iraq particularly in Fallujah .... depleted Uranium .......polluted the soil for thousands of years and have caused hundreds of thousands of birth defects? Is it not YOU supplying cluster bombs to the Saudis and enforcing an air/land/sea blockade and starving thousands of beautiful babies or allowing them to die of preventable diseases by sanctions on just about every thing, including medicines. Do you really think YOU and the Orange Parrot have the right to lecture others on morality when YOU have murdered directly 20,000,000 civilians since 1945? Or do you think that is just propaganda? People like you make me sick, you can see no further than the propaganda you are fed by your Zionist Masters!!!!!

Do you honestly believe this is the solution to radical Islam or just another reason for radical Islam to exist? And do you consider the Ayatollah Khomeini as somehow any better?

The way to treat Islam ..... is to stop killing them, their children, their relatives just to steal their resources! Simple as that. As for Iran .... it is the one country in the region that is safe and mainly free from terrorists.(Except for MEK funded by the Israeli's and the US) It may not be perfect but having lived in Iran and Saudi (over 4 years in both)..... I can tell you Iran is a far better country and social system, than you will find in Saudi!

I have told you this before. Assad has lost the war. He just doesn't know it yet from within his opulent palace. There are no winners here. just eternal war between Sunni and Shia that would continmue to g on like it has for the last 700 odd years.

Wishful thinking. Assad has won his war (almost) and that is what has pissed the US and it's NATO allies off. They are an Empire in collapse but think that by applying brute force they will be victorious .... and clowns like you fall for it. Look around you ....... how many wars has the US and it's allies started since 1945 and how many have they won? I believe two ..... Grenada and Panama ...... all the others they have lost or walked away leaving death, destruction and chaos behind them!

I got news for you there is a new management team rising from the ashes YOU created ..... and YOU are not part of it!

[Paphitis]

If the West had stayed out of Syria and not thrown its support to the hundreds of different jihadists it would have been over in months. Instead it has gone on for 7 years with thousands killed and a million plus refugees. The West made a huge error of judgement and we are seeing now the results. Did they really think that with Assad out of the way peace would return to Syria? Who on earth would have replaced Assad, another dictator more ruthless or a ....democrat? Let Syrians sort it out was the only sensible option.
By the way its Putin. This is how the rest of the world refers to him.

No it wouldn't have. Assad was losing the war and that wasn't because of anything the Coalition did.

Russia's involvement only changed the situation on the ground and the Coalition's lack of will to do anything other than defeat ISIL.

This was was always going to have hundreds of thousands of dead and millions of refugees. There were already 300,000 dead before the Coalition entered Syria. This is a battle between the Sunni and Shia civilizations. There are no prisoners in such a gruesome war, just total destruction and death, and a war that will just change its geography from one place to another and another war which will draw in Israel against Iran. No winners here either way. I told you this will happen but you were mocking these predictions. You will be fertilizer before the Syrian war finishes. Many of us will. It's going to be protracted and ongoing, perhaps even indefinite. There is no peace in Syria.

there are 1 Billion Sinnis, and a Billion SHIA. That's not something anyone can afford to poke a stick at.

You can not subdue the Sunnis and claim victory and then expect eternal peace. You can not subdue the SHIA either, claim victory and say nah na ne nah nah, and expect eternal peace. This isn't something that will happen ever. Both are hot blooded Arabs. Syria is not something the Sunnis will accept and say koombayah! It's not something that will defeat terrorism either. Even Islamic State! It has been defeated pretty much in Syria and Iraq, but the organization still exists and will regroup and come again to unleash their wrath, Whether that's in Yemen, or Indonesia no one really knows what the future holds. They only thing we can be sure of, is that Islamic State will live to fight another day. FACT! They are in effect unbeatable. Woe to anyone who thinks they can beat them. They can't be beaten. You kill 1000 of them, and another 10,000 Sunnis will take their place.

We are not good enough to defeat the way compromised individuals think or the fanatical Islamic ideology. We haven't developed this Serum yet. Maybe one is under development like in the Hunger Games Movie.

The only way out was a political solution, not a military solution.

[supporttheunderdog]

I cannot agree with you more, the missile attacks were an utter disgrace but with one reservation concerning the SBA.

I fully agree their time is past but my one resevation is that Turkey has in the past cast covetous eyes on at least parts of the SBA and a rash decision to reclaim them could look at Turkey staging another so called peace mission or intervention to prevent what it claims is an illegal act but which in reality is another land - grab. And I do not think we could expect much support from anyone, beyond the usual "thoughts and prayers" type of response that has been so typical in any external response to events in Cyprus, which involve the Tur*ish military, such as regular viotations of air space, harrasment of oil exploration activities undergoing their lawfgul activities in the Cyprus EEZ.

That is why in my view the SBA must go, but only either as a part of a comprehensive settlement or by agreement post such a settelement, when hopefully there will be no so called legal justification for Turkey to take any action and even better, no Tur*ish occupying troops able to seize the land for Turkey.

That does however depend on the current Status quo with the occupied zone changing and there being a settlement.

[Paphitis]

I cannot agree with you more, the missile attacks were an utter disgrace but with one reservation concerning the SBA.

I fully agree their time is past but my one resevation is that Turkey has in the past cast covetous eyes on at least parts of the SBA and a rash decision to reclaim them could look at Turkey staging another so called peace mission or intervention to prevent what it claims is an illegal act but which in reality is another land - grab. And I do not think we could expect much support from anyone, beyond the usual "thoughts and prayers" type of response that has been so typical in any external response to events in Cyprus, which involve the Tur*ish military, such as regular viotations of air space, harrasment of oil exploration activities undergoing their lawfgul activities in the Cyprus EEZ.

That is why in my view the SBA must go, but only either as a part of a comprehensive settlement or by agreement post such a settelement, when hopefully there will be no so called legal justification for Turkey to take any action and even better, no Tur*ish occupying troops able to seize the land for Turkey.

That does however depend on the current Status quo with the occupied zone changing and there being a settlement.

In you opinion they must go, but I don't think they will be going ever. I don't think the Americans are going to let go of Agios Nikolaos. The best option for Cyprus is to appear as though they are cooperating with the Americans rather than go against them because it's not as if the UK is the only country involved in the SBAs either. If Cyprus didn't go against the grain in the 60s and 70s, then it probably wouldn't be suffering today.

And why do you think the Missile attack is a disgrace? Are you an Assad and Pootin sympathizer now. Is Assad a disgrace or some great moral example to the world?

[Pyrpolizer]

yes and the other missiles were Shadow Storm and JASSM, which are pretty much the same as Tomahawks but with less range.

I was referring to the video Get Real posted which supposedly depicts the shooting down of a Tomahawk or Shadow, or JASSM. All of which we can almost touch with our fingertips from a 2 storey building and all of which just hug the terrain to shadow their approach.

Tomahawk is just a Cruise Missile that has a range of up to 3000 kms, whilst Shadow and JASSM are aircraft launched stand off cruise missiles at much closer ranges.

The chances of Syria shooting down 70 out of 103 is zilch. Sorry, but Syria has never even shot down a Coalition or Israeli fighter ever. It isn't going to shoot down 70 out of 103 Cruise Missiles.

Yes and you said that the satanic (go figure) US, UK and France were testing their weapons. What weapons did they test? Are you friggin joking. If the Americans wanted to test their weapons, they would put on a show and have CNN cover it. This despite the fact that Russia is the only country that sends prototypes to Syria so your characterization is incorrect and unfair. If anything, the Russians are testing their capabilities so that they can sell their SU-57. The Americans have already thousands of orders of their F-35 aircraft. They don't need to prove a thing. They have a proven track record of supplying equipment that is fit for purpose.

You also took the Russian bait and believed that the Syrians shot down 70 out of 103. Well then, how can they not even shoot down an Israeli F-16. I want someone to answer that question rather than avoid it. They are capable of knocking out Tomahawk, Shadow or Jassm and yet not 1 single F-16. Are you guys joking or what?

You would think that with the phenomenal strike rate of 70 out of 103, they would have at least 1 F-16 kill to their names, but they have fuck all, nada, zip, monon ta archidkia tous!

I have no problem admitting the article was total nonsense as it would have been impossible for the Syrian S-200 air defense system to shoot down 71 out of the 103 missiles. At best they should just hit 1-2. Thanks for your elaborate advertisement regarding the capabilities of the Tomahawks et al Genius !

But that's the whole difference between you and the rest of the forum. We are prepared to discuss, get corrected when we are wrong and learn from it, you are not! You just stick to your beliefs to the point of near paranoia, never accepting to even look at proving evidence or use common sense.

As for the capabilities of the Russian S-xyz series air defense systems considering your statement of " nada, zip, monon ta archidkia tous!" then we must conclude Klerides was a total idiot when he ordered the S-300s and furthermore Erdogan must be total nuts now ordering the S-400.
After all, according to your expertise those systems are only good to titillate the bollocks of the F-xy fighter jets.