Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis wrote:yes and the other missiles were Shadow Storm and JASSM, which are pretty much the same as Tomahawks but with less range.
I was referring to the video Get Real posted which supposedly depicts the shooting down of a Tomahawk or Shadow, or JASSM. All of which we can almost touch with our fingertips from a 2 storey building and all of which just hug the terrain to shadow their approach.
Tomahawk is just a Cruise Missile that has a range of up to 3000 kms, whilst Shadow and JASSM are aircraft launched stand off cruise missiles at much closer ranges.
The chances of Syria shooting down 70 out of 103 is zilch. Sorry, but Syria has never even shot down a Coalition or Israeli fighter ever. It isn't going to shoot down 70 out of 103 Cruise Missiles.
Yes and you said that the satanic (go figure) US, UK and France were testing their weapons. What weapons did they test? Are you friggin joking. If the Americans wanted to test their weapons, they would put on a show and have CNN cover it. This despite the fact that Russia is the only country that sends prototypes to Syria so your characterization is incorrect and unfair. If anything, the Russians are testing their capabilities so that they can sell their SU-57. The Americans have already thousands of orders of their F-35 aircraft. They don't need to prove a thing. They have a proven track record of supplying equipment that is fit for purpose.
You also took the Russian bait and believed that the Syrians shot down 70 out of 103. Well then, how can they not even shoot down an Israeli F-16. I want someone to answer that question rather than avoid it. They are capable of knocking out Tomahawk, Shadow or Jassm and yet not 1 single F-16. Are you guys joking or what?
You would think that with the phenomenal strike rate of 70 out of 103, they would have at least 1 F-16 kill to their names, but they have fuck all, nada, zip, monon ta archidkia tous!
I have no problem admitting the article was total nonsense as it would have been impossible for the Syrian S-200 air defense system to shoot down 71 out of the 103 missiles. At best they should just hit 1-2. Thanks for your elaborate advertisement regarding the capabilities of the Tomahawks et al Genius !
But that's the whole difference between you and the rest of the forum. We are prepared to discuss, get corrected when we are wrong and learn from it, you are not! You just stick to your beliefs to the point of near paranoia, never accepting to even look at proving evidence or use common sense.
As for the capabilities of the Russian S-xyz series air defense systems considering your statement of " nada, zip, monon ta archidkia tous!" then we must conclude Klerides was a total idiot when he ordered the S-300s and furthermore Erdogan must be total nuts now ordering the S-400.
After all, according to your expertise those systems are only good to titillate the bollocks of the F-xy fighter jets.
Now wy would I want to advertise the capabilities of the Tomahawk. Do you think I work for the American Arms industry or there is something in it for me? If anything, I don't like to see these weapons used at all. When they are used, people die. If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, you're dead.
The only really good thing about these weapons is that the Americans are able to limit the number of casualties. They are precision. They don't take out an entire block, just the actual building or 2 around the target area. Compared to barrel bombs, they are a lot more discriminatory. The Americans were not interested in killing hundreds of people, just target 3 or 4 Chemical sights to make a point.
There was nothing you guys (most of you guys) are prepared to discuss. maybe you are proving to be reasonable right now and willing to discuss right now, but people like Robin Hood and Get Real are certainly not willing to discuss. They are just taking the Russian line as irrefutable truth when those very claims just don't even make sense.
You for instance said once that the Americans were advertising their capabilities. That was not the case, but the Russians have in fact sent 2 out of 10 SU-57 prototypes. It looks like the Russians are advertising not the Americans.
In addition, most people here accepted the Russian claim that 71 out of 103 were shot down. How can we accept this as the truth when they haven't even shot down a single coalition or Israeli aircraft over the last couple of years. If you guys had said that they shot down 1 or 2 or even 10, it may even be believable but 71 isn't believable at all.
It seems that some here will just take the Russian line and express it as fact, when that isn't the case. I'm not saying the Americans are a bastion of truth. No one tells the complete truth in war. Both will muddy the waters.
I never meant that the S400 will have zero success. Let me be very specific. The S400 is known to the Americans and the Americans will not send their planes in harms way if they believed it was too risky and all of a sudden Syria could have American pilots in custody. That would really hurt the Americans or the Coalition if they had our pilots in their custody. In addition to that, the Americans wouldn't keep the Tomahawk in its inventory if they were ineffective. The Americans have so many weapons to choose from. The S400 is a good Air Defence System, but the West has ways to deal with them in a comprehensive manner as well. They are no show stopper and the chances of them scoring a kill against Coalition aircraft is limited. In fact, The S400 are a lot more vulnerable than any Coalition aircraft is. they are very vulnerable because they need a radar.
The fact that a lot of people thought that a Cruise Missile is easily shot down by anyone is mind boggling. They could be launched from the Mediterranean and approach their target from the East. They can actually circle Damascus and come over the hills. They can hold and actually delay their approach to the target until 100 other Cruise missiles also arrive hence how they all hit at the same time. The Russians have a similar Cruise Missile.
They call them Cruise Missiles because they just fly to their target through a series of waypoints.
