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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:48 am

Which means NI will remain in the EU...
That's the most sensible solution, and it was in fact the original proposal of the EU.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:27 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Which means NI will remain in the EU...
That's the most sensible solution, and it was in fact the original proposal of the EU.

absolutely, if we want brexit that is the only choice. then it leaves us with the problem of the union. if northern ireland is allowed to leave the sctots and the welsh will want the same so there is the end of united kingdom.

there is no support for that either.

the labour stance is far better. we remain part of customs union and fta and contribute to the eu like we did before. we lose veto in the eu and if we want to continue to trade with the eu we must continue to adhere to eu regulations but gain the freedom to do our own deals. this initself does not make sense ans inside the eu we use the eu power to negotiate deals that are far more advantages to us compared with have our own trade deals.

so we have come full circle which is why labour policy makes total sense. they are saying if we win the election, we will negotiate a good deal which protects our rights and jobs and environment. when we have the deal we will put the deal to the people with full explenation on the consequences of the deal and remain.

i mayself feel we should be given first and second choice so we can include a third choice of no-deal and see who comes in first and second in the vote. Than the people who's vote comes third, those voters second choice can be distributed so we have a true representation of people's wish. put apparently we can only have two choices in a referendum.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby B25 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:58 am

Kikapu wrote:This is what I don’t understand. What is stopping Boris from telling the EU, that the UK is not going to wait until October 31st deadline to leave the EU, but instead, we are leaving today without a deal unless the EU agrees for a deal with the UK by midnight tonight.


I thought this, but 31/10/19 is the official date that was pre-agreed and cannot change. He cannot just do it now as he is bound by this agreement, otherwise he would have done it yesterday and never mind any proroguing.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:02 pm

B25 wrote:
Kikapu wrote:This is what I don’t understand. What is stopping Boris from telling the EU, that the UK is not going to wait until October 31st deadline to leave the EU, but instead, we are leaving today without a deal unless the EU agrees for a deal with the UK by midnight tonight.


I thought this, but 31/10/19 is the official date that was pre-agreed and cannot change. He cannot just do it now as he is bound by this agreement, otherwise he would have done it yesterday and never mind any proroguing.

really? you think he can just pull out without the agreement of parliament. What was this "European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019" beauty all about. he has to go to the eu on the 17th and 18th and bring back a deal that will be voted by parliament and if parliament votes against it or that there is no agreement, he has to go back on the 19th and ask for an extension.
it is this law which they are claiming they can circumvent and remove from the statute book without a vote. but they keeping tight lipped about what they are planning. they worked out that if there are riots and life is endangered, they could apply emergency laws to remove the act. every move they make pulls the nouse round their necks a little tighter. with the supreme court in action, they will be brought back to the parliament to be politically executed.

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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:02 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Which means NI will remain in the EU...
That's the most sensible solution, and it was in fact the original proposal of the EU.


NI can;'t remain in the EU.

NI is sovereign territory belonging to the UK. When Britain leaves, so does NI.

What you are saying is not sensible at all. What you are saying is a complete disrespect to British sovereignty.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:05 pm

B25 wrote:
Kikapu wrote:This is what I don’t understand. What is stopping Boris from telling the EU, that the UK is not going to wait until October 31st deadline to leave the EU, but instead, we are leaving today without a deal unless the EU agrees for a deal with the UK by midnight tonight.


I thought this, but 31/10/19 is the official date that was pre-agreed and cannot change. He cannot just do it now as he is bound by this agreement, otherwise he would have done it yesterday and never mind any proroguing.


I think he has a genuine desire to get an agreement with the EU, however may have also come to the conclusion that no matter what is agreed, Parliament will vote it down because they just want to prevent BREXIT at all costs.

So he is negotiating, going through the motions, exhausting all options and will then BREXIT even with no deal and the reality is tgat may be his only option.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:00 am

Betrayal of BREXIT??
A very interesting discussion. Is the UK re-joining the EU? Will there be an EU in the following years on the first place? Is it true the consumers in the UK can't afford to buy eggs and fruit?

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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:03 pm

Indeed the price of everything has gone up and there is short supply too.
Some days there are no eggs, no tomatoes, no pasta, no rice on the shelves. Even cooking oil is affected. Price of oil has double and remains high. Gas still remains high despite the fact that market price of gas has gone down and we are told it will remain high for several years.

We are being charged extra for energy so as to help them create new environmentally green energy but they intend to get all the money for that investment before they begin supply. The idea that they invest their own money and get it back with interest later has gone out of window. Of course, they do that already to the poorest in our society as they have installed pre-payment meters in houses that can least afford energy and not only are they charging them a higher price, they are taking payment up front. And of course despite the fact that it is not legal to cut energy supply to anybody under any circumstances, they will force these people to a position where their pre-payment meter will cut them off if they have not put any money in.

Swineland is not Swineland for nothing.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:34 pm

Lordo wrote: Of course, they do that already to the poorest in our society as they have installed pre-payment meters in houses that can least afford energy and not only are they charging them a higher price, they are taking payment up front.


We had this system in the UK in the 60’s where we had to feed the meter a Shilling at a time to get hot water to the bathtub!

Sometimes we had to wash off the soap from our eyes with cold water once the shilling was used up.

So, is the UK going back 60 years to the way things used to be? :shock:
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:19 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote: Of course, they do that already to the poorest in our society as they have installed pre-payment meters in houses that can least afford energy and not only are they charging them a higher price, they are taking payment up front.


We had this system in the UK in the 60’s where we had to feed the meter a Shilling at a time to get hot water to the bathtub!

Sometimes we had to wash off the soap from our eyes with cold water once the shilling was used up.

So, is the UK going back 60 years to the way things used to be? :shock:

Indeed it is exactly that except the money does not get put in the meter, you have to go and find a shop that will accept payments for gas/electricity and pay them to update the meter. So it is slightly worse than in the 60s. Ironically of course BoZo won the election saying he will stop Corbyn taking the country back to the 70s.

Go figure and there are idiots here who get upset about criticising the Swine party.
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