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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:48 am

Which means NI will remain in the EU...
That's the most sensible solution, and it was in fact the original proposal of the EU.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:27 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Which means NI will remain in the EU...
That's the most sensible solution, and it was in fact the original proposal of the EU.

absolutely, if we want brexit that is the only choice. then it leaves us with the problem of the union. if northern ireland is allowed to leave the sctots and the welsh will want the same so there is the end of united kingdom.

there is no support for that either.

the labour stance is far better. we remain part of customs union and fta and contribute to the eu like we did before. we lose veto in the eu and if we want to continue to trade with the eu we must continue to adhere to eu regulations but gain the freedom to do our own deals. this initself does not make sense ans inside the eu we use the eu power to negotiate deals that are far more advantages to us compared with have our own trade deals.

so we have come full circle which is why labour policy makes total sense. they are saying if we win the election, we will negotiate a good deal which protects our rights and jobs and environment. when we have the deal we will put the deal to the people with full explenation on the consequences of the deal and remain.

i mayself feel we should be given first and second choice so we can include a third choice of no-deal and see who comes in first and second in the vote. Than the people who's vote comes third, those voters second choice can be distributed so we have a true representation of people's wish. put apparently we can only have two choices in a referendum.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby B25 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:58 am

Kikapu wrote:This is what I don’t understand. What is stopping Boris from telling the EU, that the UK is not going to wait until October 31st deadline to leave the EU, but instead, we are leaving today without a deal unless the EU agrees for a deal with the UK by midnight tonight.


I thought this, but 31/10/19 is the official date that was pre-agreed and cannot change. He cannot just do it now as he is bound by this agreement, otherwise he would have done it yesterday and never mind any proroguing.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:02 pm

B25 wrote:
Kikapu wrote:This is what I don’t understand. What is stopping Boris from telling the EU, that the UK is not going to wait until October 31st deadline to leave the EU, but instead, we are leaving today without a deal unless the EU agrees for a deal with the UK by midnight tonight.


I thought this, but 31/10/19 is the official date that was pre-agreed and cannot change. He cannot just do it now as he is bound by this agreement, otherwise he would have done it yesterday and never mind any proroguing.

really? you think he can just pull out without the agreement of parliament. What was this "European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019" beauty all about. he has to go to the eu on the 17th and 18th and bring back a deal that will be voted by parliament and if parliament votes against it or that there is no agreement, he has to go back on the 19th and ask for an extension.
it is this law which they are claiming they can circumvent and remove from the statute book without a vote. but they keeping tight lipped about what they are planning. they worked out that if there are riots and life is endangered, they could apply emergency laws to remove the act. every move they make pulls the nouse round their necks a little tighter. with the supreme court in action, they will be brought back to the parliament to be politically executed.

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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:02 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Which means NI will remain in the EU...
That's the most sensible solution, and it was in fact the original proposal of the EU.


NI can;'t remain in the EU.

NI is sovereign territory belonging to the UK. When Britain leaves, so does NI.

What you are saying is not sensible at all. What you are saying is a complete disrespect to British sovereignty.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:05 pm

B25 wrote:
Kikapu wrote:This is what I don’t understand. What is stopping Boris from telling the EU, that the UK is not going to wait until October 31st deadline to leave the EU, but instead, we are leaving today without a deal unless the EU agrees for a deal with the UK by midnight tonight.


I thought this, but 31/10/19 is the official date that was pre-agreed and cannot change. He cannot just do it now as he is bound by this agreement, otherwise he would have done it yesterday and never mind any proroguing.


I think he has a genuine desire to get an agreement with the EU, however may have also come to the conclusion that no matter what is agreed, Parliament will vote it down because they just want to prevent BREXIT at all costs.

So he is negotiating, going through the motions, exhausting all options and will then BREXIT even with no deal and the reality is tgat may be his only option.
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