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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:05 pm

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The referendum can only be a binary question such as STAY or LEAVE.

Or in Australia's case some years ago, should Australia become a Republic? YES or NO?

Not what kind of Republic on whether they like the US model or the French model or the Cypriot model. :roll:


Good example but let's assume they voted YES
Does this give the Govnt the free choice of implementing Tombouctou's model?


It means the Government has the free choice in implementing a Republic in Australia. The most likely scenario is something like a French model.

Since the people voted against it, we maintain the monarchy and nothing changes and as a republican voter myself, I respected the wishes of the majority and am also quite happy with Australia's institutions. The changes would have been cosmetic. The Crown would have been abolished for a ceremonial Presidential office like they have in Greece and France.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:12 pm

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Turkey invaded!

Go forth then and implement this so called referendum. :roll:

The British don't need a deal for BREXIT. WTO deal will suffice.

And no I am sorry but there will be no referendum asking the people if they want a NO DEAL BREXIT. You can't just word the referendum to stack the odds in your favour. The referendum has taken place.

And by saying they only want a deal places Britain in a terrible position. That is no way to negotiate.

A simple single issue GE will be enough to validate.


I am not sure any UK Govnt will ever manage to get out without a 2nd referendum.
That's just my opinion.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:15 pm

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Turkey invaded!

Go forth then and implement this so called referendum. :roll:

The British don't need a deal for BREXIT. WTO deal will suffice.

And no I am sorry but there will be no referendum asking the people if they want a NO DEAL BREXIT. You can't just word the referendum to stack the odds in your favour. The referendum has taken place.

And by saying they only want a deal places Britain in a terrible position. That is no way to negotiate.

A simple single issue GE will be enough to validate.


I am not sure any UK Govnt will ever manage to get out without a 2nd referendum.
That's just my opinion.


It's inevitable.

they don't need a referendum to BREXIT. Article 50 has been enacted.

Until such time as it is repealed, BREXIT is a foregone conclusion.

Question is, will anyone dare defy the people and repeal it? They are too chicken.

the only way to prevent BREXIT is to repeal Article 50 and that will stoke the fires and lead to near civil war. you seem to think that the 17.4 million people can be ignored. Ignore them at your peril. That will be the death of democracy.

The people were promised. Can you detect their outrage? Do you know what is going to happen at the next GE?
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:44 pm

it really is very simple. corbyn said he canhave an election as soon as he extends the date to 31st of january. if he goes to the eu tomorrow ans says i need an extension till 31st of january to hold an election he wil be given it. and then he will corbyn wouldlove to take him on in an election. if he does not corbyn will have to waittill 19 of october tosee what he comes back with and than hit him with the hammer of thor

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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:55 pm

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It's inevitable.

they don't need a referendum to BREXIT. Article 50 has been enacted.

Until such time as it is repealed, BREXIT is a foregone conclusion.

Question is, will anyone dare defy the people and repeal it? They are too chicken.

the only way to prevent BREXIT is to repeal Article 50 and that will stoke the fires and lead to near civil war. you seem to think that the 17.4 million people can be ignored. Ignore them at your peril. That will be the death of democracy.

The people were promised. Can you detect their outrage? Do you know what is going to happen at the next GE?


I actually foresee civil war starting on the 2nd half of October if all signs indicate Brexit with no deal.
I foresee millions of people in the streets if Brexit with no deal actually occurs on 1st November.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:04 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
It's inevitable.

they don't need a referendum to BREXIT. Article 50 has been enacted.

Until such time as it is repealed, BREXIT is a foregone conclusion.

Question is, will anyone dare defy the people and repeal it? They are too chicken.

the only way to prevent BREXIT is to repeal Article 50 and that will stoke the fires and lead to near civil war. you seem to think that the 17.4 million people can be ignored. Ignore them at your peril. That will be the death of democracy.

The people were promised. Can you detect their outrage? Do you know what is going to happen at the next GE?


I actually foresee civil war starting on the 2nd half of October if all signs indicate Brexit with no deal.
I foresee millions of people in the streets if Brexit with no deal actually occurs on 1st November.

i beg to disagree. if brexshitters start some sort of civil disorder they will be dealt with like the rats that they are. there will be no need for anything to be done for the remains. it has all been done in the courts. come 19th of october if manchild does not apply for extension the court will on his behalf. eu will then give us an extension. either way there is no need to worry, tories will be removed from government .

if eu gives us extension an election will take place and the rest will follow like water runs down hill. majority people are now remainers and when the tories insist they are a no-deal party their numbers will be reduced. they could quite easily become the third party and liberals the second. now that will be a dream come true.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:55 pm

I actually meant the remainers would revolt plus those who want Brexit with a deal.
Can you provide a link explaining how the Court would send that extension request if Bojo won't do it?
What are the legal implications, will the EU accept it as a binding document?
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:04 pm

Also the extension won't solve the problem. The UK has to reach a deal.
I personally don't believe there can be any better deal. Then what?
That's why I think they will get stuck without a 2nd referendum.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:05 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:I actually meant the remainers would revolt plus those who want Brexit with a deal.
Can you provide a link explaining how the Court would send that extension request if Bojo won't do it?
What are the legal implications, will the EU accept it as a binding document?

it was explained by a lawyer on one of the talk shows. the scottish judge has that power. scottish law is different from english law. the laeyr went further and explained that even if supreme court just agreed with both courts and it was possible in law to agree with both judgement so long as both judgements were made on legal bases, the reuslt would be the same. the scottish court would have done the deed. i will try tofind the jusgement of the scortish court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49679743

Those behind the case want the court to use a special power - the "nobile officium" - to effectively sign the letter to the EU on behalf of the prime minister, should he refuse to do so himself.

they asked for this and the judge declaring that it was unlawful meant that the court may decide to do it. it is in their power.
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