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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:44 pm

lets face it we don't really need a guarnatee to be protected in the future, akinci will accpet the guarantee and the troop removal. all anastasiades has to do is ask. they will both be phased out like it was invisaged in crans montana before the old swine got drunk.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Kikapu » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:55 pm

Lordo wrote:lets face it we don't really need a guarnatee to be protected in the future, akinci will accpet the guarantee and the troop removal. all anastasiades has to do is ask. they will both be phased out like it was invisaged in crans montana before the old swine got drunk.


Turkey wouldn't sign on the "Sunset Clause" to remove all it's military, nor would it sign off on Treaty of Guarantees. Turkey just said, "we'll visit the issue of troops in 15 years time, so just trust us"! :D
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:00 pm

of course erdogan will say that, let akinci and ansatasiades come to an agreement and then see erdogan object. tcs will send their share of resources via terggy and bob's your uncle.

it will be a cinch.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Maximus » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:14 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:What I stated above are the facts.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Just read it again or keep marching towards extinction with your red tinted Turgish glasses on old boy.

:roll:

Akingi is the same as all the predecessors. He Negotiates along the same lines because the script comes from the "sultan" in Ankara.

The only thing he did differently was come to the negotiating table with some symbolic olive leaves to present to the GC's. As if that would be enough for them to accept the age old same unacceptable same demands.

Some people think that he is a "nice guy", a "true Cypriot", but he doesn't have any substance to back it up. :roll:

It doesn't matter if he is ahead at the polls or even if he wins. He will deliver nothing, like he has already because, his script is prepared in Ankara.

Facts. All facts.


Perhaps if Akinci wins, he has nothing to lose by asking for a Cyprus agreement based on EU principles and go against Ankara and all the other right wingers. He will become darling of the UN, the EU and the RoC. The most Ankara would do is to try and assassinate him, but at least he will die as a True Cypriot and not as Turkey's puppet any longer. His legacy would last forever for trying, if nothing else. :idea:


You saw what happened after he made those comments about Turkeys invasion of Syria.

He was very restrained with his comments and censoring himself too. Why? because the "sultan" is easily triggered and in fear of the repercussions.

Which shortly followed, as he had to file criminal complaints against some social media deaths threats from the "sultans" minions in occupied Cyprus.

As much as I agree with what you are saying, I know the probability of Akinci doing just this and becoming a true Cypriot is near to zero.

So on the one hand, he is a greedy intransigent puppet, but on the other the repercussions of trying to cut the strings can potentially be severe.

The only question that remains then is would he really and genuinely do the right thing with regards to Cyprus if Turkey was completely out of the picture?

I think he probably would, but maybe because the potential consequences from the GC's would be just as bad for him and the TC's at large if he didn't.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Maximus » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:18 pm

Lordo wrote:of course erdogan will say that, let akinci and ansatasiades come to an agreement and then see erdogan object. tcs will send their share of resources via terggy and bob's your uncle.

it will be a cinch.


You have a short memory,

Stassi was/is asking for the abolition of Turkeys "Guarantee" (which is completely defunct and void anyway) and zero troops at Crans Montana but Casavoglue rejected the idea completely.

Akinci was absolutely sidelined throughout the whole affair too by the way. :roll:

Time to take off those red tinted goggles Bordo....

No TC leader or the Turkish side at large has ever accepted "no guarantees and troops" as part of a solution. Ever......as a matter of fact, its always included as part of their demands..... :roll:
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:35 pm

Indeed, if he wins his reelection, against candidates that are "Turks", it says a lot. "They" will be exposed, as not Cypriot.

He would at this point, have the power to speak for Cypriots, despite the ''Turks'' (and the ''Greeks'').

Cypriots will have clearly demonstrated (again) that, (they remain at least half of the population politically speaking,) as such, they exist;

"Greeks" and "Turks" will not appear to be a Cypriot's only choices, "they" will appear as an adversary one and the same.

...yet he may not run, no "Cypriot" may run: that is worrisome to me.

...indeed as Cypriots, there is no need for Guarantees, or Guarantors. Not "being", "Turks" and "Greeks", Cypriots are Free to demonstrate a commitment to the Universal Principals on which Humanity is striving to improve itself, and they are free to define their own Liberty. Indeed a central government representing Cypriot interests, is not anathema to Cypriot Constituencies, where through territorial jurisdictions each has the opportunity to nurture their distinct identities through self-representation as a majority which recognises and respects the special needs of the minorities that live among them. And i dare say, such a model would serve Turkey, with its "Turks", and those not "Turks", a template for its own Constitutional Reform (as it would for many of the Nations and States in this troubled region).
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Lordo » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:05 am

Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:What I stated above are the facts.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Just read it again or keep marching towards extinction with your red tinted Turgish glasses on old boy.

:roll:

Akingi is the same as all the predecessors. He Negotiates along the same lines because the script comes from the "sultan" in Ankara.

The only thing he did differently was come to the negotiating table with some symbolic olive leaves to present to the GC's. As if that would be enough for them to accept the age old same unacceptable same demands.

Some people think that he is a "nice guy", a "true Cypriot", but he doesn't have any substance to back it up. :roll:

It doesn't matter if he is ahead at the polls or even if he wins. He will deliver nothing, like he has already because, his script is prepared in Ankara.

Facts. All facts.


Perhaps if Akinci wins, he has nothing to lose by asking for a Cyprus agreement based on EU principles and go against Ankara and all the other right wingers. He will become darling of the UN, the EU and the RoC. The most Ankara would do is to try and assassinate him, but at least he will die as a True Cypriot and not as Turkey's puppet any longer. His legacy would last forever for trying, if nothing else. :idea:


You saw what happened after he made those comments about Turkeys invasion of Syria.

He was very restrained with his comments and censoring himself too. Why? because the "sultan" is easily triggered and in fear of the repercussions.

Which shortly followed, as he had to file criminal complaints against some social media deaths threats from the "sultans" minions in occupied Cyprus.

As much as I agree with what you are saying, I know the probability of Akinci doing just this and becoming a true Cypriot is near to zero.

So on the one hand, he is a greedy intransigent puppet, but on the other the repercussions of trying to cut the strings can potentially be severe.

The only question that remains then is would he really and genuinely do the right thing with regards to Cyprus if Turkey was completely out of the picture?

I think he probably would, but maybe because the potential consequences from the GC's would be just as bad for him and the TC's at large if he didn't.

explain what else you expected him to do. he said what he said and a few days later terggy was persuaded by trump to anounce ceasefire.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:47 am

...and yet, who could expect him to demonstrate that Cyprus, the Flag of Cyprus is not a rag: "Greeks"?, "Turks"?

While it is fantasy, i expect him to stand under the Flag of Cyprus, because it would not be Cypriots who condemn him; he can make that abundantly clear.

...if it is a matter of shaming "others", to "change their mentality", Akinci too may learn the significance of changing his own view, to "be" (more) Cypriot, by speaking clearly, speaking as, no "Turk" (i will go so far to say against "Turkishness"), but a Turkish Person, who is (as an Individual) Cypriot.

Indeed, it goes both ways, Turkey has an influence on Cypriot politics, and in such a case Cypriot politics may have an influence on Turkey's.
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