Cyprus-Forum.com

[Paphitis]

The discussion ceased to be about Labour’s vindictive and dogmatic class war policy on public schools quite some time ago. Sorry for your experiences but that’s what it’s boiled down to. A grudge-fest.

Yeah not wanting tax payer money spent on 'public' schools like my old one is vindictive class war. And you have the balls to call me dogmatic. The evidence, that you do not like, can not face and need to find a way to ignore or dismiss for fear of where it might lead is not a grudge fest. It is just cold hard facts. Can not handle the message. Shoot the messenger. All as predicted.

Well then Houston, we have a problem!

These schools are entitled to funding because the parents that send their children to these schools are tax contributors and deserve their fair share of funding and also because the private sector alleviates the public sector quite considerably.

20% of all students in Australia attend a private school. The biggest sector being the Catholic System.

About 1 million kids attend these schools across Australia, and we do not hear of any massive abuse taking place (sure there are isolated cases).

In fact, most families are trying to get their kids into these schools. The catholic Education sector is a pretty dam good one which I can attest to from my personal experience and they are not that dear. Some of them are high end too if that is what you want.

Families are looking for a safe haven to entrust their children's education with because it is apparent to many of us that the Government can't be trusted all the time when shaping these young minds to be fine upstanding members of the community.

With the catholic Schools and the other schools run by other denominations like the Lutherans, Anglicans and Orthodox, you know what you are getting and what you are not getting. The curriculum is what I would call SAFE! That is why I send my kids to private schools.

[Paphitis]

Money talks and BS walks.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/educ ... 1573481712

In Australia, some of the most expensive suburbs are the ones that are near the best schools.

There is a reason for that.

In Australia, some of the most expensive suburbs are the ones that are near the best STATE schools. There is a reason for that.

And Private Schools. Usually the best State Schools are near the best established Private Schools and these are the top suburbs in each city.

In Brisbane, if you are North of the River, it's all private schools there. The State Schools are dominated by the Catholic Sector and a couple of Anglican Schools (prices $25,000 and up).

All the good State Schools (South Brisbane) are South of the river. Here you don't find that many private schools but there are a few.

These are the expensive areas.

Bottom line is this, We don't want the Government telling us what to do with our kids.

[erolz66]

Bottom line is this, We don't want the Government telling us what to do with our kids.

Yeah let's get rid of all child protection laws.

[Pyrpolizer]

I want to go off at a tangent and talk about this "Cypriot" thing for a bit. It is integral to my story, my personal story.

For my father the question of where to send his sons was simple. "Get them the best. Get them the most expensive."

For my father, my Cypriot father, there was a very real "physical" sense in which more expensive equated with better. For my father part of the point of having made it financially was to be able to display that success to others. This was true across the board for my father. In choice of house, choice of car. As a Cypriot village boy born in to sleepy Cypriot village existence in the 1930s who had gone to London to seek his fortune and "made it" an integral part of the enjoyment of such, the point of such, was to display it externally. Something, anything, that is more expensive is better at meeting this need than something less expensive. As far as I am concerned large elements of this reality for my father were deeply and inherently cultural. Culturally Cypriot. Inherently 'village culture'. My non Cypriot mother did not and does not have this same level of better being defined in absolute terms by price alone. Nor is their any value or interest for her in how effectively something displays wealth, displays success, or not. It is in my story a culturally Cypriot thing. A thing for me off my father.

In addition the 'nepotism' aspects of the British public school system, the priority given based on family and the like, these are in my view, aspects that resonated strongly with the kind of village Cypriot outlook my father had. The dynastic aspects of the public school selection system, the importance and priority of "who your people are" above just "what are the childs abilities", these are things that speak strongly to old school Cypriot identity that my father had. Privileged is supposed to follow family lines regardless of individual ability. That is built in to the public school selection system and I would claim also built in to the Cypriot identity to varying degrees.

Very true! And this peasant Cypriot culture extends for at least one more generation among of our expats.

This peasant Cypriot mindset must be alive and kicking in the UK, Western Europe, Australia, Canada and USA as well as some other countries which just so happen to feature among the highest on the HDI Index.

Yes there are elite schools which charge massive fees but in our economies there is this thing called supply and demand. usually they charge big fees because they are fine establishments and lots of people with Cypriot Peasant mentalities want to get their children into.

The peasants are YOU.

We have exported most of our peasants during the previous century, turning them to Charlies. Strange how they got stuck to their previous century peasant mentality and how effectively they passed it on to their offspring. Yourself being a classic case....

[Paphitis]

I want to go off at a tangent and talk about this "Cypriot" thing for a bit. It is integral to my story, my personal story.

For my father the question of where to send his sons was simple. "Get them the best. Get them the most expensive."

For my father, my Cypriot father, there was a very real "physical" sense in which more expensive equated with better. For my father part of the point of having made it financially was to be able to display that success to others. This was true across the board for my father. In choice of house, choice of car. As a Cypriot village boy born in to sleepy Cypriot village existence in the 1930s who had gone to London to seek his fortune and "made it" an integral part of the enjoyment of such, the point of such, was to display it externally. Something, anything, that is more expensive is better at meeting this need than something less expensive. As far as I am concerned large elements of this reality for my father were deeply and inherently cultural. Culturally Cypriot. Inherently 'village culture'. My non Cypriot mother did not and does not have this same level of better being defined in absolute terms by price alone. Nor is their any value or interest for her in how effectively something displays wealth, displays success, or not. It is in my story a culturally Cypriot thing. A thing for me off my father.

In addition the 'nepotism' aspects of the British public school system, the priority given based on family and the like, these are in my view, aspects that resonated strongly with the kind of village Cypriot outlook my father had. The dynastic aspects of the public school selection system, the importance and priority of "who your people are" above just "what are the childs abilities", these are things that speak strongly to old school Cypriot identity that my father had. Privileged is supposed to follow family lines regardless of individual ability. That is built in to the public school selection system and I would claim also built in to the Cypriot identity to varying degrees.

Very true! And this peasant Cypriot culture extends for at least one more generation among of our expats.

This peasant Cypriot mindset must be alive and kicking in the UK, Western Europe, Australia, Canada and USA as well as some other countries which just so happen to feature among the highest on the HDI Index.

Yes there are elite schools which charge massive fees but in our economies there is this thing called supply and demand. usually they charge big fees because they are fine establishments and lots of people with Cypriot Peasant mentalities want to get their children into.

The peasants are YOU.

We have exported most of our peasants during the previous century, turning them to Charlies. Strange how they got stuck to their previous century peasant mentality and how effectively they passed it on to their offspring. Yourself being a classic case....

It appears not mate!

I think you left most of them behind and we got the good ones.

Pyro, the person who appears to be stuck are the one's that stayed behind like your good self.

The Cypriots that came to Australia for instance, really had a good crack at life and made something of themselves and actually made money even if it was in grocery stores, milk bars, cafes and restaurants.

And these "peasants" didn't want to entertain ANY thoughts of their children doing it tough like they had to when they left Cyprus and so they sacrificed to the point of taking the very bread out of their mouths to send their kids to good schools so they can grow up and have careers or start up successful businesses.

These are no peasants. These are salt of the earth people. I see the same quality in some new arrivals - Afghanis. These are AMAZING people.

[cyprusgrump]

Bottom line is this, We don't want the Government telling us what to do with our kids.

Yeah let's get rid of all child protection laws.

The laws that don't protect children in private schools so they all have to be shut down...?

[Pyrpolizer]

Time for a real change!
Both the State and the parents are responsible for the well being,safety and education of children.

Set common syllabus for both private and public schools as a condition for public University entrance.
Set common 21st century rules and practices for the students in both private and public schools
Stop financing private schools, and set a committee to investigate the issue of "charity status" for those who claim such.
Tax private schools as every other business.
Ban the boarding schools by LAW.
Ban excessive pressure on children in primary and secondary education to outperform academically.
Ban the right of private schools to accept/reject children without getting their criteria approved by the Ministry of education.
Ban the right of Universities to reject students based on anything other than specified criteria common for the graduates of all schools.

[Pyrpolizer]

It appears not mate!

I think you left most of them behind and we got the good ones.

Pyro, the person who appears to be stuck are the one's that stayed behind like your good self.

The Cypriots that came to Australia for instance, really had a good crack at life and made something of themselves and actually made money even if it was in grocery stores, milk bars, cafes and restaurants.

And these "peasants" didn't want to entertain ANY thoughts of their children doing it tough like they had to when they left Cyprus and so they sacrificed to the point of taking the very bread out of their mouths to send their kids to good schools so they can grow up and have careers or start up successful businesses.

These are no peasants. These are salt of the earth people. I see the same quality in some new arrivals - Afghanis. These are AMAZING people.

The salt on earth are those who stay in their place and fight. Not the renegades who go after the easy life.
All the renegades eventually pay the price of been cowards, acquiring a confused identity, of neither Cypriot, nor Australian, or British.

You are a typical example, a confused person who in revenge doesn't miss a chance to mock the place where his father.... couldn't make it, and you wouldn't make it either.

[Paphitis]

Time for a real change!
Both the State and the parents are responsible for the well being,safety and education of children.

Set common syllabus for both private and public schools as a condition for public University entrance.
Set common 21st century rules and practices for the students in both private and public schools
Stop financing private schools, and set a committee to investigate the issue of "charity status" for those who claim such.
Tax private schools as every other business.
Ban the boarding schools by LAW.
Ban excessive pressure on children in primary and secondary education to outperform academically.
Ban the right of private schools to accept/reject children without getting their criteria approved by the Ministry of education.
Ban the right of Universities to reject students based on anything other than specified criteria common for the graduates of all schools.

Sorry but there is no replacement for the parents and the state can stay out of it because they have proven to be irresponsible with the new age bull shit which I and millions of other parents do not want our kids exposed to.

hence we we actually NEED private schools run by the Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and also the Orthodox.

I will trust the Catholic Church, Lutherans, Anglicans and Orthodox before I trust the Australian Education Departments that are run by new age socialist punks with pink hair and nose rings and tatts!

[erolz66]

Bottom line is this, We don't want the Government telling us what to do with our kids.

Yeah let's get rid of all child protection laws.

The laws that don't protect children in private schools so they all have to be shut down...?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/vic ... 3qgjl.html