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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:33 pm

miltiades wrote:I have been an ardent watcher of financial markets for half a century now. The one thing I have learned is the volatility of markets be it the currency one or stocks.
I was extremely pleased when at just after the election exit polls predicted a Tory majority, at least in financial terms, Sterling shot up by 2 cents on the euro touching 1.205 . The markets reacted promptly in the knowledge that stability was returning to the political scene at last. In fact tge markets were reacting prior to Thursday 12th of January on the strength of election polls. Well it didn't last long, by yestetday Tuesday 17th Stg was traded below the pre election news and it seems that the current downward trend is continuing. Brexit looming, uncertainty in the UK economy will continue for some time yet. I can not predict the level that Stg will be at by the end of this month, suffice to say I have today converted my Stg to euros. I have always believed that Brexit is bad for the UK economy and apparently so does the financial world. I see no viable reason as to why would Stg strengthen in the forthcoming months. I even believe that come Brexit day, January 31st 2020, the pound will be below 1.10 euro.
Time will tell....



How is that short-lived recovery working for you Milti...? :wink:

miltiades wrote: I see no viable reason as to why would Stg strengthen in the forthcoming months. I even believe that come Brexit day, January 31st 2020, the pound will be below 1.10 euro.


Another of your amazing predictions on par with Hunt being the next PM! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby Kikapu » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:59 pm

The UK wants the 'best' immigrants. Why would they want the UK?

Under the new rules, people wishing to move to the UK will need 70 points. To clock up said points, they will need to earn above £25,600 a year (20 points), speak good English (10 points), have a job offer from an approved sponsor (20 points), and so on. In short: unless you are already successful, good luck with that. (I, myself, am a foreigner in the UK and have been living here for over a decade. But I would still not have enough points to move here now).
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 44757.html

So, the UK wants high skilled immigrants to come to the UK after leaving the EU with minimum 70 points.

That is all very well, but who is going to do all the low skilled jobs in the UK, which I would imagine there are far more than skilled jobs since none will be allowed to come to the UK from other countries? :roll:

Perhaps flipping burgers at McDonald's after Brexit is finalized, will be considered an skilled white collar job with a £75,000 a year salary, an expense account and a company car. This will get all the lazy Brits on benefits off their fat asses to apply at McDonald's for these "high skilled" jobs. A win win for everyone. Oh, btw, the burgers will cost £25 each. Fries extra at £10. :D

Is there anyone left at 10 Downing street who has any brains left as to how they are going to solve the unskilled job market in the UK after Brexit? :roll:
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:50 am

Kikapu wrote:
The UK wants the 'best' immigrants. Why would they want the UK?

Under the new rules, people wishing to move to the UK will need 70 points. To clock up said points, they will need to earn above £25,600 a year (20 points), speak good English (10 points), have a job offer from an approved sponsor (20 points), and so on. In short: unless you are already successful, good luck with that. (I, myself, am a foreigner in the UK and have been living here for over a decade. But I would still not have enough points to move here now).
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 44757.html

So, the UK wants high skilled immigrants to come to the UK after leaving the EU with minimum 70 points.

That is all very well, but who is going to do all the low skilled jobs in the UK, which I would imagine there are far more than skilled jobs since none will be allowed to come to the UK from other countries? :roll:

Perhaps flipping burgers at McDonald's after Brexit is finalized, will be considered an skilled white collar job with a £75,000 a year salary, an expense account and a company car. This will get all the lazy Brits on benefits off their fat asses to apply at McDonald's for these "high skilled" jobs. A win win for everyone. Oh, btw, the burgers will cost £25 each. Fries extra at £10. :D

Is there anyone left at 10 Downing street who has any brains left as to how they are going to solve the unskilled job market in the UK after Brexit? :roll:


More Remoaner nonsense... :roll:
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:21 am

cyprusgrump wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
The UK wants the 'best' immigrants. Why would they want the UK?

Under the new rules, people wishing to move to the UK will need 70 points. To clock up said points, they will need to earn above £25,600 a year (20 points), speak good English (10 points), have a job offer from an approved sponsor (20 points), and so on. In short: unless you are already successful, good luck with that. (I, myself, am a foreigner in the UK and have been living here for over a decade. But I would still not have enough points to move here now).
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 44757.html

So, the UK wants high skilled immigrants to come to the UK after leaving the EU with minimum 70 points.

That is all very well, but who is going to do all the low skilled jobs in the UK, which I would imagine there are far more than skilled jobs since none will be allowed to come to the UK from other countries? :roll:

Perhaps flipping burgers at McDonald's after Brexit is finalized, will be considered an skilled white collar job with a £75,000 a year salary, an expense account and a company car. This will get all the lazy Brits on benefits off their fat asses to apply at McDonald's for these "high skilled" jobs. A win win for everyone. Oh, btw, the burgers will cost £25 each. Fries extra at £10. :D

Is there anyone left at 10 Downing street who has any brains left as to how they are going to solve the unskilled job market in the UK after Brexit? :roll:


More Remoaner nonsense... :roll:

Why don’t you answer the question instead of hiding from it? :roll:

The question is again, if the UK will only accept skilled foreign workers of 70 points, who will do all the non skilled work?
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby B25 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:26 am

Kiks, I believe there is already a scheme in place for bringing in certain categories of workers for agriculture etc. under special visa.

I think the point is not to allow a free for all and those wanting to come and make a life in the UK must prove they are worthy. How do other non-EU countries do it??
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:43 am

B25 wrote:Kiks, I believe there is already a scheme in place for bringing in certain categories of workers for agriculture etc. under special visa.

I think the point is not to allow a free for all and those wanting to come and make a life in the UK must prove they are worthy. How do other non-EU countries do it??

Agricultural workforce is generally seasonal work and there may well be provisions made for those workers. I am talking about hotel workers, restaurant workers, delivery workers, transportation workers and so on. Is the UK expecting to bring skilled workers to do these low skilled jobs? If so, good luck getting any where the immigrants would be far better off staying in their own country as they would be better off financially.

Most non EU countries import workers as needed for all positions and not just import high skilled workers. Locals generally do not work in low skilled jobs as they can get benefits and work “under the table” at the same time. The UK comes across that they are too good to import non skilled workers. That’s fine, as long as the Brits start doing these low skilled jobs themselves. Not likely.
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:33 pm

Kikapu wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
The UK wants the 'best' immigrants. Why would they want the UK?

Under the new rules, people wishing to move to the UK will need 70 points. To clock up said points, they will need to earn above £25,600 a year (20 points), speak good English (10 points), have a job offer from an approved sponsor (20 points), and so on. In short: unless you are already successful, good luck with that. (I, myself, am a foreigner in the UK and have been living here for over a decade. But I would still not have enough points to move here now).
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 44757.html

So, the UK wants high skilled immigrants to come to the UK after leaving the EU with minimum 70 points.

That is all very well, but who is going to do all the low skilled jobs in the UK, which I would imagine there are far more than skilled jobs since none will be allowed to come to the UK from other countries? :roll:

Perhaps flipping burgers at McDonald's after Brexit is finalized, will be considered an skilled white collar job with a £75,000 a year salary, an expense account and a company car. This will get all the lazy Brits on benefits off their fat asses to apply at McDonald's for these "high skilled" jobs. A win win for everyone. Oh, btw, the burgers will cost £25 each. Fries extra at £10. :D

Is there anyone left at 10 Downing street who has any brains left as to how they are going to solve the unskilled job market in the UK after Brexit? :roll:


More Remoaner nonsense... :roll:

Why don’t you answer the question instead of hiding from it? :roll:

The question is again, if the UK will only accept skilled foreign workers of 70 points, who will do all the non skilled work?



Not hiding from it, just pointing out that your assertion is absolute bollox. :roll:

Burger flipping, shelf stacking are some of the lest skilled jobs and are filled by part-time workers that find it a convenient fit for studying or bringing up a family. They aren't jobs that are intended to support a family.

Of course, you'd prefer that the UK brought in cheap, unskilled labour to flip burgers and fill shelves... Then the taxpayer can support their wages with benefits. Plus school their children, pay their medical bills, etc. :roll:

Reducing the supply of unskilled labour has the obvious effect of pushing up wages for the UK workforce.

And if, the UK runs out of unskilled labour for any reason then the rules can be changed to admit workers (on a temporary or seasonal basis if necessary) to fill those jobs.
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:10 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
The UK wants the 'best' immigrants. Why would they want the UK?

Under the new rules, people wishing to move to the UK will need 70 points. To clock up said points, they will need to earn above £25,600 a year (20 points), speak good English (10 points), have a job offer from an approved sponsor (20 points), and so on. In short: unless you are already successful, good luck with that. (I, myself, am a foreigner in the UK and have been living here for over a decade. But I would still not have enough points to move here now).
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 44757.html

So, the UK wants high skilled immigrants to come to the UK after leaving the EU with minimum 70 points.

That is all very well, but who is going to do all the low skilled jobs in the UK, which I would imagine there are far more than skilled jobs since none will be allowed to come to the UK from other countries? :roll:

Perhaps flipping burgers at McDonald's after Brexit is finalized, will be considered an skilled white collar job with a £75,000 a year salary, an expense account and a company car. This will get all the lazy Brits on benefits off their fat asses to apply at McDonald's for these "high skilled" jobs. A win win for everyone. Oh, btw, the burgers will cost £25 each. Fries extra at £10. :D

Is there anyone left at 10 Downing street who has any brains left as to how they are going to solve the unskilled job market in the UK after Brexit? :roll:


More Remoaner nonsense... :roll:

Why don’t you answer the question instead of hiding from it? :roll:

The question is again, if the UK will only accept skilled foreign workers of 70 points, who will do all the non skilled work?



Not hiding from it, just pointing out that your assertion is absolute bollox. :roll:

Burger flipping, shelf stacking are some of the lest skilled jobs and are filled by part-time workers that find it a convenient fit for studying or bringing up a family. They aren't jobs that are intended to support a family.

Of course, you'd prefer that the UK brought in cheap, unskilled labour to flip burgers and fill shelves... Then the taxpayer can support their wages with benefits. Plus school their children, pay their medical bills, etc. :roll:

Reducing the supply of unskilled labour has the obvious effect of pushing up wages for the UK workforce.

And if, the UK runs out of unskilled labour for any reason then the rules can be changed to admit workers (on a temporary or seasonal basis if necessary) to fill those jobs.


And that is my whole point, that the UK is being very disingenuous with their new policy of only bringing to the country of “desirable workers” meeting their 70 points system just so to please ( more like fool) the Neo Brexiteers that they will be keeping out the “undesirables”. The truth is, the UK is pulling the wool over the eyes of the gullible Brexiteers, because as long as the country’s economy grows, so would the need for low skill workers. If you think you can just admit low skill workers without long term visas to remain in the UK, then you are being wishing thinking that you can just use them and send them back at will if the UKs economy takes a downturn later. :roll:
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby erolz66 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:20 pm

Under these proposed immigration rules my father, who came to the UK and built a business there, employed people, paid corporation and personal tax and national insurance , up to 98 pence in the pound on his highest tier earnings etc etc would not have qualified for entry. Priti Patel' parents, who built a business empire in the UK would not have qualified. Michael Marks and Thomas Spencer, who founded Marks and Spencer would not have qualified. And 10,000s of others that went on to build businesses in the UK.

https://www.ft.com/content/62848754-a2f ... 1c6ab5efd1

Half of the UK’s fastest-growing companies have at least one foreign born co-founder, a study published on Thursday found.
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:03 pm

The country is run by a fucking bufoon supported by illeterate monkeys !! Knowwhaimean may..What a load of Plonkers. I hear a trade deal is about to signed with Somalia :lol: :lol:
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