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Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:27 am

...despite all the Cypriots murdered and made to disappear for ''being'' Cypriot, i ask, is there an incident where ''Greeks'' (for ENOSIS) and ''Turks'' (for Taksim) actually confronted each other as such in battle to settle their differences militarily, over Cyprus, in Cyprus?

Despite Turks fighting "Greeks", and Greeks fighting "Turks", i cannot recall a recent Historical moment where Greeks as "Greeks" fought Turks as "Turks".

...i know this is a painful topic to explore, but it is a valid question.

...how many actually died (and were wounded), as "Greeks" and "Turks"; how does that compare to their campaigns against "Cypriotness"?

...my point being, as we remember those robbed of their existences, we remember who they represent, truly; if we forget, who wins?
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Re: ...a History question.

Postby Mustiejodu » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:48 am

WHO GIVES A FUCK WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD IS DYING FROM THE EPIDEMIC CORONAVIRUS
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Re: ...a History question.

Postby Paphitis » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:34 am

Mustiejodu wrote:WHO GIVES A FUCK WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD IS DYING FROM THE EPIDEMIC CORONAVIRUS


Don't be a little hysterical pleb.

The whole world isn't dieing from the China Virus.

the world has seen far worse than this - WW1, Spanish Flu (is that racist?), 1920s depression, WW2 etc etc

The world will survive and get through this. For most people, China Virus will just mean a mild flu like illness with fever, a runny nose, sore throat, and a mild chest infection.

Some people will die, but no different to the common flu. I have seen statistics saying that the global mortality rate hasn't even increased, and if that's true, there is a lot of MSM exaggeration and fear mongering going on.
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Re: ...a History question.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:34 am

Paphitis wrote: Spanish Flu (is that racist?),


Depends on the intent and context. If the intent and objective is to blame the Spanish for it because it originated there, then yes it is racist. If it is merely a label with no context of blame then no it is not.

(in reality nothing is or is not racist as if in the universe only two binary states exist of racist and not racist and nothing in between. It is all degrees but in the example above simplifying down to binaries works, as long as you do not fall in to the trap of thinking that universe is binary)
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Re: ...a History question.

Postby Paphitis » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:45 am

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote: Spanish Flu (is that racist?),


Depends on the intent and context. If the intent and objective is to blame the Spanish for it because it originated there, then yes it is racist. If it is merely a label with no context of blame then no it is not.

(in reality nothing is or is not racist as if in the universe only two binary states exist of racist and not racist and nothing in between. It is all degrees but in the example above simplifying down to binaries works, as long as you do not fall in to the trap of thinking that universe is binary)


No one blamed the Spanish. No one is blaming the Chinese.

However, I believe their is scope here to blame The Chinese Authorities for their actions.

In my context, I call it China Virus because that is where it originated from and people need to remember this because after all this is done and dusted, the international community at large will need to review the way they do business with China.
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Re: ...a History question.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:58 am

Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote: Spanish Flu (is that racist?),


Depends on the intent and context. If the intent and objective is to blame the Spanish for it because it originated there, then yes it is racist. If it is merely a label with no context of blame then no it is not.

(in reality nothing is or is not racist as if in the universe only two binary states exist of racist and not racist and nothing in between. It is all degrees but in the example above simplifying down to binaries works, as long as you do not fall in to the trap of thinking that universe is binary)


No one blamed the Spanish. No one is blaming the Chinese.

However, I believe their is scope here to blame The Chinese Authorities for their actions.

In my context, I call it China Virus because that is where it originated from and people need to remember this because after all this is done and dusted, the international community at large will need to review the way they do business with China.


No one blamed the Spanish and no one blamed Spain either just because it originated there. You use the term to blame China. Your usage is both racist to significant degree and political to a significant degree.

You specifically seek to blame China in order to divert attention away from failures by Trump that are entirely his own. China locked down millions of people after 30 fatalities. Trump with vastly more notice than the Chinese authorities had spent 2 months making out that just stopping flights from mainland china was sufficient and that everything was under control. It is not under control in the US even with more notice and more warning than the Chinese ever had.
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Re: ...a History question.

Postby Paphitis » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:06 am

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote: Spanish Flu (is that racist?),


Depends on the intent and context. If the intent and objective is to blame the Spanish for it because it originated there, then yes it is racist. If it is merely a label with no context of blame then no it is not.

(in reality nothing is or is not racist as if in the universe only two binary states exist of racist and not racist and nothing in between. It is all degrees but in the example above simplifying down to binaries works, as long as you do not fall in to the trap of thinking that universe is binary)


No one blamed the Spanish. No one is blaming the Chinese.

However, I believe their is scope here to blame The Chinese Authorities for their actions.

In my context, I call it China Virus because that is where it originated from and people need to remember this because after all this is done and dusted, the international community at large will need to review the way they do business with China.


No one blamed the Spanish and no one blamed Spain either just because it originated there. You use the term to blame China. Your usage is both racist to significant degree and political to a significant degree.

You specifically seek to blame China in order to divert attention away from failures by Trump that are entirely his own. China locked down millions of people after 30 fatalities. Trump with vastly more notice than the Chinese authorities had spent 2 months making out that just stopping flights from mainland china was sufficient and that everything was under control. It is not under control in the US even with more notice and more warning than the Chinese ever had.


I can't speak about the actions of Spain in 1918 when The Great War was on.

I do blame the Authorities in China a lot.

I am not diverting any attention away from trump. he is going to win the November elections. I do not believe there is anything Trump can do about China Flu. He is juggling between mass lock down and economy. Australia is doing the same thing. The Australian Government is refusing to close down schools, or the economy because people will need to work post China Virus. I am very much on board with this thinking right now.

You see, people will blame Trump for anything. But that is really good too, because his popularity now is stronger than ever before, because people have well and truly seen through the "Orange man Bad"hysteria.

I see a competent man, leading his country like a true leader should. I would much rather listen to a trump Press conference because he gives people hope and confidence and that is EXACTLY what is required right now.

Also, apparently the USA is the closest to a vaccine if Russia and China don't already have one and are not telling anyone. So all eyes on the Americans right now. They could very well save the planet in less than 6 months time.
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Re: ...a History question.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:10 am

Paphitis wrote:I do not believe there is anything Trump can do about China Flu.


Look at the graphs. Try and understand them. Some countries governments ARE and HAVE made a difference by their actions. The USA is NOT ONE OF THEM yet.
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Re: ...a History question.

Postby Paphitis » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:17 am

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I do not believe there is anything Trump can do about China Flu.


Look at the graphs. Try and understand them. Some countries governments ARE and HAVE made a difference by their actions. The USA is NOT ONE OF THEM yet.


USA is on the exponential line like every other country is apart from a select few. Australia is also on the same line until 4 days ago. All the EU is on the same line and worse.

Why is that Trump's fault?

If it's Trump's fault, then it's also the EU's fault.
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Re: ...a History question.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:30 am

Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I do not believe there is anything Trump can do about China Flu.


Look at the graphs. Try and understand them. Some countries governments ARE and HAVE made a difference by their actions. The USA is NOT ONE OF THEM yet.


USA is on the exponential line like every other country is apart from a select few. Australia is also on the same line until 4 days ago. All the EU is on the same line and worse.

Why is that Trump's fault?

If it's Trump's fault, then it's also the EU's fault.


Correct. Places that have done better are clearly shown on the graph. US is not one of them and EU is not one of them. China is. Do not like or trust china's figures. OK look at South Korea. They are doing better because their leaders did better. Better than EU has done to date and better than US has done to date. You claimed 'there was nothing Trump could have done'. The data says otherwise. It is likely that the USA will be one of the LAST countries to buck the curve but time will tell. What is a just a clear reality is that Trump could have done much better. He could have achieved what South Korea has. Instead he went around saying and doing things for 2 months that were the opposite of what places like South Korea were doing. The American people are paying the price.
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