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[Get Real!]

Those sun rays can get pretty strong this time of the year, up on those hills of Pissouri... ain’t that right Guido?

[cyprusgrump]

Some thing clearly does not add up here. The idea that the 2020 spike, that is massively higher than 2017/18 spike in England and Wales is down to non covid deaths , like suicide, or people having treatment for other things delayed, or starvation because of economic consequences or even from them not reporting or seeking treatment for other conditions, just does not add up. Anyway you keep plugging away in your 'search for truth' by taking only those things that support what you decided was true on day one and ignoring the best simplest clearest evidence we do have when that does not fit, if you like. I will look elsewhere myself and keep thinking for myself with my starting point being numbers, hard factual indisputable numbers.

No doubt ErLolz will be along in a moment to post the hard, factual indisputable numbers... But in case he is having an embarrassing Bordo moment...

WEEKLY DEATHS CONSISTENTLY BELOW THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE

New figures from the ONS this morning reveal that the number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 26 June was 360 fewer than the previous week. Significantly it’s also 314 fewer than the five-year average number of deaths for this week of the year…

Fewer people dying than normal may indicate that Covid merely accelerated deaths that would have taken place later in the year. If this is sustained the year’s ‘excess death’ total will decline from the number it has reached already. Good news.

Local Government Minister Simon Clarke confirmed yesterday that even the Black Lives Matter mass gatherings did not result in an increase in overall new cases or the number of fatalities, telling TalkRADIO’s Dan Wooton that “these gatherings happened and there hasn’t been a major resultant spike detectable in the figures.” Perhaps everyone can calm down about the revellers in SoHo on Saturday now…

Okay...?

And your point is what, CG?

I'm guessing you realise what the point is Kiks... But I can wait another couple of weeks to prove you wrong...

[cyprusgrump]

Those sun rays can get pretty strong this time of the year, up on those hills of Pissouri... ain’t that right Guido?

Do you have a point...?

Bit early for the JD isn't it...?

Go on, make a reasoned argument ... We're all waiting...

[Kikapu]

Some thing clearly does not add up here. The idea that the 2020 spike, that is massively higher than 2017/18 spike in England and Wales is down to non covid deaths , like suicide, or people having treatment for other things delayed, or starvation because of economic consequences or even from them not reporting or seeking treatment for other conditions, just does not add up. Anyway you keep plugging away in your 'search for truth' by taking only those things that support what you decided was true on day one and ignoring the best simplest clearest evidence we do have when that does not fit, if you like. I will look elsewhere myself and keep thinking for myself with my starting point being numbers, hard factual indisputable numbers.

No doubt ErLolz will be along in a moment to post the hard, factual indisputable numbers... But in case he is having an embarrassing Bordo moment...

WEEKLY DEATHS CONSISTENTLY BELOW THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE

New figures from the ONS this morning reveal that the number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 26 June was 360 fewer than the previous week. Significantly it’s also 314 fewer than the five-year average number of deaths for this week of the year…

Fewer people dying than normal may indicate that Covid merely accelerated deaths that would have taken place later in the year. If this is sustained the year’s ‘excess death’ total will decline from the number it has reached already. Good news.

Local Government Minister Simon Clarke confirmed yesterday that even the Black Lives Matter mass gatherings did not result in an increase in overall new cases or the number of fatalities, telling TalkRADIO’s Dan Wooton that “these gatherings happened and there hasn’t been a major resultant spike detectable in the figures.” Perhaps everyone can calm down about the revellers in SoHo on Saturday now…

Okay...?

And your point is what, CG?

I'm guessing you realise what the point is Kiks... But I can wait another couple of weeks to prove you wrong...

Well, you are welcome to try to prove me wrong.

Just be sure to remember what I wrote way back regarding lifting of lockdown.

[cyprusgrump]

Some thing clearly does not add up here. The idea that the 2020 spike, that is massively higher than 2017/18 spike in England and Wales is down to non covid deaths , like suicide, or people having treatment for other things delayed, or starvation because of economic consequences or even from them not reporting or seeking treatment for other conditions, just does not add up. Anyway you keep plugging away in your 'search for truth' by taking only those things that support what you decided was true on day one and ignoring the best simplest clearest evidence we do have when that does not fit, if you like. I will look elsewhere myself and keep thinking for myself with my starting point being numbers, hard factual indisputable numbers.

No doubt ErLolz will be along in a moment to post the hard, factual indisputable numbers... But in case he is having an embarrassing Bordo moment...

WEEKLY DEATHS CONSISTENTLY BELOW THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE

New figures from the ONS this morning reveal that the number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 26 June was 360 fewer than the previous week. Significantly it’s also 314 fewer than the five-year average number of deaths for this week of the year…

Fewer people dying than normal may indicate that Covid merely accelerated deaths that would have taken place later in the year. If this is sustained the year’s ‘excess death’ total will decline from the number it has reached already. Good news.

Local Government Minister Simon Clarke confirmed yesterday that even the Black Lives Matter mass gatherings did not result in an increase in overall new cases or the number of fatalities, telling TalkRADIO’s Dan Wooton that “these gatherings happened and there hasn’t been a major resultant spike detectable in the figures.” Perhaps everyone can calm down about the revellers in SoHo on Saturday now…

Okay...?

And your point is what, CG?

I'm guessing you realise what the point is Kiks... But I can wait another couple of weeks to prove you wrong...

Well, you are welcome to try to prove me wrong.

Just be sure to remember what I wrote way back regarding lifting of lockdown.

I do remember, and you have already been proven wrong...

...But I can wait another two weeks...

[Get Real!]

Here’s some more fool’s sophistry that you’ll appreciate Guido…

“There Is No Evidence Lockdowns Saved Lives. It Is Indisputable They Caused Great Harm”

https://wmbriggs.com/post/30833/?unappr ... ent-187460

[Kikapu]

Some thing clearly does not add up here. The idea that the 2020 spike, that is massively higher than 2017/18 spike in England and Wales is down to non covid deaths , like suicide, or people having treatment for other things delayed, or starvation because of economic consequences or even from them not reporting or seeking treatment for other conditions, just does not add up. Anyway you keep plugging away in your 'search for truth' by taking only those things that support what you decided was true on day one and ignoring the best simplest clearest evidence we do have when that does not fit, if you like. I will look elsewhere myself and keep thinking for myself with my starting point being numbers, hard factual indisputable numbers.

No doubt ErLolz will be along in a moment to post the hard, factual indisputable numbers... But in case he is having an embarrassing Bordo moment...

WEEKLY DEATHS CONSISTENTLY BELOW THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE

New figures from the ONS this morning reveal that the number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 26 June was 360 fewer than the previous week. Significantly it’s also 314 fewer than the five-year average number of deaths for this week of the year…

Fewer people dying than normal may indicate that Covid merely accelerated deaths that would have taken place later in the year. If this is sustained the year’s ‘excess death’ total will decline from the number it has reached already. Good news.

Local Government Minister Simon Clarke confirmed yesterday that even the Black Lives Matter mass gatherings did not result in an increase in overall new cases or the number of fatalities, telling TalkRADIO’s Dan Wooton that “these gatherings happened and there hasn’t been a major resultant spike detectable in the figures.” Perhaps everyone can calm down about the revellers in SoHo on Saturday now…

Okay...?

And your point is what, CG?

I'm guessing you realise what the point is Kiks... But I can wait another couple of weeks to prove you wrong...

Well, you are welcome to try to prove me wrong.

Just be sure to remember what I wrote way back regarding lifting of lockdown.

I do remember, and you have already been proven wrong...

...But I can wait another two weeks...

[Tim Drayton]

Spot a pattern folks?

[Tim Drayton]

An interesting letter to the Orlando Medical News from John T. Littell, M.D.

https://www.orlandomedicalnews.com/arti ... t-bad-news

[Kikapu]

An interesting letter to the Orlando Medical News from John T. Littell, M.D.

https://www.orlandomedicalnews.com/arti ... t-bad-news

Interesting point of view.

Does that then mean we should be depressed that lower new cases and lower death rates accomplished with the lockdown in Europe was a mistake?

Funny I don’t see the Americans, Brazilians and Indians celebrating their new cases skyrocketing lately.

Maybe this is what Trump was blabbering few days ago that high new cases was a “positive”thing.

Recent studies seems to suggest it is virtually impossible to have a herd immunity because antibodies against the virus only lasts a week or two in the body, which will make it very difficult to find a vaccine for Covid-19. Some studies also make the claim that Covid-19 may well be also airborne.

Maybe we know very little on Covid-19 still, which precaution may well be the wise option versus being “promiscuous” with this virus.