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[Londonrake]

Without going into ever more detail and, as reflected in history, a tendency towards increasing animosity.

I thought it would only be a matter of time before somebody would come up with "Israel did it" and I wasn't to be disappointed. I'm gratified by your view though, given what seems the overwhelming evidence to support a Lebanese government cock-up, resulting in an almost inevitable disaster and a total lack of anything at all that points to Israeli involvement (not least a credible motive), you don't believe that to be the case. I understand - options reserved of course.

Whilst I'm sure (I take your word for it) some forums are alight with the idea of Israeli involvement, there being absolutely no reason to suspect one or any evidence at all I think points to why it hasn't been discussed more widely in the press/on TV. Why would it be? That surely explains the dearth, rather than fear of antisemitism accusations. In fact, if you have a look you will find the idea was actually pushed around by a few tomes. One of which, from 2 days ago, talks of there being 5000 Social Media posts about an Israeli strike. A lot of Social Media/Forum folk do love their conspiracy theories. You can get one on just about anything.

In this thread you've introduced, or made passing reference to, elements which have no bearing at all on what happened in Beirut last Tuesday. I'll leave them where they are I think, rather than go off on an unrelated tangent.

Today, it seems there are widespread protests on the streets of Beirut. Many have been heard calling for the government to be hanged. They're obviously not buying the Israeli scapegoat line. The chiefs of Beirut port and customs have been arrested. Ready to be lined up I imagine, despite the fact reports say that over 6 years they repeatedly warned the government about the danger and potential consequences of keeping the seized cargo. More shots at scapegoats I suspect.

The Guardian and Al Jazeera are reporting that a port employee - Yusuf Shehadi - saw 30 to 40 nylon bags full of seized fireworks (from 10 years ago) stored in the same warehouse as the ammonium nitrate. You couldn't make this up.

[Londonrake]

Beirut explosion: Angry protesters take to streets https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53704998

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[Robin Hood]

Update:

Many news outlets now pushing a possible Hezbollah ‘involvement’!

Whilst I still believe it was an accident caused by sheer incompetence and rampant corruption, by making these references to a Hezbollah connection ..... it also highlights that Israel now had means/motive/opportunity ....... for a false flag? If Hezbollah knew about this ..... then without a shadow of doubt so did Israel! (Mossad?)

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/ammonium-nitrate-didnt-belong-to-hezbollah-but-they-knew-about-its-dangers/

[Paphitis]

Update:

Many news outlets now pushing a possible Hezbollah ‘involvement’!

Whilst I still believe it was an accident caused by sheer incompetence and rampant corruption, by making these references to a Hezbollah connection ..... it also highlights that Israel now had means/motive/opportunity ....... for a false flag? If Hezbollah knew about this ..... then without a shadow of doubt so did Israel! (Mossad?)

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/ammonium-nitrate-didnt-belong-to-hezbollah-but-they-knew-about-its-dangers/

Whilst I also still believe it's a freak accident, I was going to suggest the possibility of Hezbollah involvement pretty much from the first day.

The Lebanese Government and Hezbollah are at odds with the Lebanese actually doing their lever best to keep this terrorist organisation out.

Hezbollah, had the motive. It at least makes a lot more sense and is feasible compared to any Israeli involvement.

However, I still believe it's an accident.

[Maximus]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didnt sit right with me at the time either.

[Maximus]

What’s anybody’s - let alone Israels - motive likely to be for destroying the city of Beirut and causing such (purely civilian) suffering? It doesn’t add up. Government indifference - as per Mari - though does.

Here is one (my) cynical view,

Lebanon is politically and economically fudged. Like corruption and mismanagement is rife, the people are impoverished and many are unemployed. To the point where many cant afford much more than bread to survive..

Someone may have sabotaged this depot, to create destruction and casualties to garner sympathy, so international aid and donations start pouring in.

Not loans, that bare interest and that have to be paid back. Free money to help the country get out of the shit they are in.

[Get Real!]

...I was going to suggest the possibility of Hezbollah involvement pretty much from the first day.

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[Kikapu]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didnt sit right with me at the time either.

If I’m not mistaken, explosives at Mari were confiscated from a shipment heading to Syria, therefore, anyone not wanting those weapons to ever reach Syria had reasons to destroy them. No doubt no personal harm was intended if explosion was deliberate, but regardless, it did kill several people as well as blew out the power station. The question is, who didn’t want those weapons to ever reach Syria? I can think of few countries on that list.

[Paphitis]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didn't sit right with me at the time either.

There was a fire from a fireworks storage facility nearby. The firecrackers could be seen going off.

hence, the ignition source which caused the explosion in Beirut.

[Paphitis]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didnt sit right with me at the time either.

If I’m not mistaken, explosives at Mari were confiscated from a shipment heading to Syria, therefore, anyone not wanting those weapons to ever reach Syria had reasons to destroy them. No doubt no personal harm was intended if explosion was deliberate, but regardless, it did kill several people as well as blew out the power station. The question is, who didn’t want those weapons to ever reach Syria? I can think of few countries on that list.

If Cyprus secretly transferred the weapons to Syria, then the US, Brits though Ayios Nikolaos would know all about it.

Cyprus would have been in so much much shit and probably have sanctions.

You wouldn't want to be the Cyprus Government if it did such a thing and let the weapons into Syrian Army hands to use against their own population.

Again, the US has no interest in destroying an electricity facility responsible for supplying half the island with electricity. They did offer to take the weapons from Cyprus for disposal. An offer that should have been accepted if it were not for the incompetence of Tof. It was a US request that Cyprus intercept the shipment in the first place.