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[Cap]

Yes,we all know Israel is far reaching.
They've made it their life's mission to preserve their existence.
In a sea of hostile neighbors.

Also, they value friendly countries.
Somebody also tell Yiallousa, that the USA lifted their arms embargo on Cyprus because of the Jewish Pro Cyprus lobby in US Congress.
A direct result of CY friendly relations and T**k hostilities.

Someone please inform Yiallousa, the Greek bonehead.

Thanks.

[Londonrake]

RH:

Antisemitism (a hobby horse) is another subject.

Do you believe that the Israelis were responsible for what happened in Beirut on Tuesday? No more logical than Russia being blamed for unexplained incidents which benefit them - surely. Although, quite how the destruction of Beirut and the carnage brought about upon its population benefits Israel is a mystery to me.

Your line of logic seems to be that if what amounts to a conspiracy theory isn't immediately reflected widely by the MSM then that obviously adds credibility to it.

Frankly - and no disrespect meant to Kicks - given the scale of this tragedy I don't think "tongue in cheek" comments are appropriate.

[Londonrake]

Incidentally

Nations from all over the world are making strenuous and uninhibited efforts to support Lebanon during this crisis. Aid is being given freely and generously, in accordance with the stated requirements of the government there, who are ultimately responsible for clarifying their nation's needs. There was news in the local press yesterday of Cypriot SAR assets being moved there to assist.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by repeatedly playing on the "Russia first" thing. If that indeed is the case. What are you trying to say?

https://www.euronews.com/2020/08/06/bei ... on-s-elite

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/08/ ... donations/

https://www.startribune.com/the-latest- ... 572012522/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka35ZcFEdRw

https://apnews.com/4983a5f4237d22b46549d17724e5b392

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53669522

https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/hea ... -people_en

etc, etc, etc, etc

[Kikapu]

Frankly - and no disrespect meant to Kicks - given the scale of this tragedy I don't think "tongue in cheek" comments are appropriate.

I was not even commenting using “tongue in cheek”. Many incidences have occurred where we are told one thing and then later, sometimes much much later, we get another version. Recent shooting down a jetliner in Iran comes to mind where initially the blame was placed on foreign entities, but turned out that it was shot down by the Iranian military instead after couple of videos showed up where they had no choice but to confess.

[Londonrake]

Frankly - and no disrespect meant to Kicks - given the scale of this tragedy I don't think "tongue in cheek" comments are appropriate.

I was not even commenting using “tongue in cheek”. Many incidences have occurred where we are told one thing and then later, sometimes much much later, we get another version. Recent shooting down a jetliner in Iran comes to mind where initially the blame was placed on foreign entities, but turned out that it was shot down by the Iranian military instead after couple of videos showed up where they had no choice but to confess.

Yes, I remember, although nothing of course to do with Beirut or this thread.

At the time IIRC we were presented with evidence that the shooting down video some guy took on his phone couldn't possibly have been genuine due to physics/location/angle/etc.

Back to the OP. May I ask, who in here genuinely believes that what happened in Beirut on Tuesday was an act of aggression by Israel? If so, what's your theory and - Heaven forbid - evidence for such an irrational act?

[Londonrake]

An interesting video on the incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnSr820S2Mk

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[Paphitis]

One of the first informal (net) edicts which surfaced blamed it on an Israeli nuclear strike. Targeting a Hezbollah arms dump. That’s the nature of the internet world we live in today.

The facts about the store of aluminium nitrate and how it got there seem non-contentious. The likely condition of such a chemical, after 6 years in a hot warehouse, also appears universally accepted. The video clearly shows a fire burning in the adjacent building some time before the explosion. Fireworks can be seen going off. The fire brigade were called and arrived to put it out.

The Lebanese President is in a difficult position. His options limited. Trying to blame the disastrous result of Lebanese corruption and criminal negligence on a foreign power is an obvious, albeit desperate course of action.

Why would anybody want to deliberately destroy Beirut and cause such indiscriminate civilian carnage?

I‘m surprised Tof didn’t have the imagination to blame Mari on a Turkish missile strike. Perhaps, if those containers had been stored in Nicosia he would have.

It’s difficult to gain any political advantage other than offer a distraction to the gross negligent conduct of authorities leading to this disaster, not dissimilar at all to the incompetence of Tof with Mari.

Also for the fact that Israel has offered up every assistance from rescue teams, and medical supplies and even a field hospital.

That’s another coup for the Israeli Government being so willing to recognize a human tragedy in a neighbouring country and put differences aside. It’s in their interest to ensure Lebanon is secure and their Government is strong enough to keep Hezbollah at bay.

Politically, Lebanon isn’t the issue for them.

[Paphitis]

IS-RA-HELL did it.

Sure they did.
Just like they did Mari.

The nutters offer lots of entertainment Cap and many laughs.

[Paphitis]

RH:

Antisemitism (a hobby horse) is another subject.

Do you believe that the Israelis were responsible for what happened in Beirut on Tuesday? No more logical than Russia being blamed for unexplained incidents which benefit them - surely. Although, quite how the destruction of Beirut and the carnage brought about upon its population benefits Israel is a mystery to me.

Your line of logic seems to be that if what amounts to a conspiracy theory isn't immediately reflected widely by the MSM then that obviously adds credibility to it.

Frankly - and no disrespect meant to Kicks - given the scale of this tragedy I don't think "tongue in cheek" comments are appropriate.

The destruction doesn’t benefit Israel at all. It only gives Hesbollah a greater opportunity to engage those who suffered.

And it is THAT which may result in Israel taking military action in the future. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is no benefit to Israel to see the city of Beirut on its knees.

[Robin Hood]

LR:

Do you believe that the Israelis were responsible for what happened in Beirut on Tuesday?

NO! .... at the moment I believe it was an accident caused by incompetence and corruption at high levels of the Lebanese administration. If credible evidence based on facts emerges later that shows it was more likely a ‘terrorist’ attack ..... then I am afraid Israel would be the top of my list of suspects as being either directly or indirectly involved ..... due to my long standing distrust of Israeli explanations in the past .

No more logical than Russia being blamed for unexplained incidents which benefit them - surely. Although, quite how the destruction of Beirut and the carnage brought about upon its population benefits Israel is a mystery to me.

It has happened before! The US Atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians is now known was totally opposed by the US military command. Those two incidents were used, not to make the Japanese surrender because the military (and the President) were well aware that Japanese surrender was imminent.

It was a demonstration of US military destructive power and a warning to Russia to stay out of the region! Thus both acts were a military action purely for political ends using civilians as the example as to what could happen to Russia. That information has been released again quite recently as recovered from memos and documents from the time, kept locked away in military archives.

Your line of logic seems to be that if what amounts to a conspiracy theory isn't immediately reflected widely by the MSM then that obviously adds credibility to it.

You have the knack of misrepresentation to make your point. I would counter your accusation saying ..... like your reaction to events you see, although also without proof, as having some Russian involvement? MH17 and The Skripals being just two examples! Is that not what is referred to as 'cognitive bias'?

My inference was simply that if such a theory is the core consideration outside the MSM, why does the MSM not comment on such rumours? Having thought about it, maybe it is because those that discuss on forums are more likely to be sceptical and distrust what the MSM put out ..... frequently without a shred of evidence to support their published views.

(BTW: Off topic ..... did you know that NIST have now openly admitted that they have absolutely no evidence at all to support their explanation of the collapse of the three WTC building on 9/11? What they presented as an explanation as “ .... [i]and then the building collapsed due to office fires alone!” has been shown to be based on altered seismic evidence and falsely elevated temperatures, and also the omission of structural steel members, in the case of WTC 7, to fit their explanation and make their computer model work.)[/i]

Frankly - and no disrespect meant to Kicks - given the scale of this tragedy I don't think "tongue in cheek" comments are.

I certainly did not take it as a serious accusation ............ as you say, without proof of some sort that is just a conspiracy theory.