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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby erolz66 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:14 pm

Maximus wrote:They are being severely oppressed and subjected to conditions of poverty in the east of the country.


A sad, depressing and sorry state of affairs :( One that has endless echos around the globe geographically and back through time :( Division, whether by agreement or force of arms is never a good result for ordinary people imo. If only a majority of individual ethnic Turks that make up the numerical majority simply chose as individuals to see and define 'Turkishness' not as something separate from 'Kurdishness' but instead saw 'Kurdishness' as an inextricable, inherent and required part of wider 'Turkishness', who knows what ways forward could be found other than conflict and division ?

Maybe what they need, what the world needs, is to be shown the way ? If only there were some place with a history of ethnic conflict and division, that demonstrated how a better future can be achieved despite the past, not by force, or negotiation or government action or lobbying of external powers but instead by enough individuals simply choosing as individuals a better shared myth of what 'whateve-ness' neans than the ones they have chosen to use to date ?
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:45 pm

Agree with your sentiments Erolz, who could argue with that.

If the majority of Turks thought and behaved differently, obviously things would be different. But unfortunately, they are not.

I can see what Michael Rubin is warning about actually happening. Peace and stability is the goal but Turkey is everything but creating a peaceful coexistence and stability in the region. It has always been like this.

Turkey will probably end up partitioned. The kind of stuff that Turks say will never happen and is what dreams are made out of.

Some of western Anatolia will go to Greece, Smyrna, constantinople etc. Armenia will claim so land back in the north east. The kurds will get their own state in the south east.

What remains will be split between the kemalists and the Islamist. Possibly a confederation of two states. The kemalists will get the central western part of Anatolia and the Islamists will be locked out of the med but maybe have a coastline in the black sea.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:29 pm

...that's so funny; thank-you erolz, cheers!

Indeed, Cyprus, Cypriots hold the key to all of this, what is Turkey's "Problem". As "Greeks" and "Turks", to "become", Cypriots; Greeks and Turks defending Universal Principals, is a simple act of choice, which in so doing changes the world.

...any Cypriot who feels the anguish "Turkishness" brings, most certainly feels the same anguish as those in Turkey, not "Turkish"; think about it.

One Flag, 'They" treat like a rag, "Greek" and "Turkish" alike.

...how is it Max that you do not see my point, if you agree with erolz?

i'll ask again, would you join a rally under the Flag of Cyprus with other Cypriots in the occupied territories, if in this election coming in October a candidate, a Cypriot candidate, called upon Cypriots to do so?

...or is it that "You" prefer a Cyprus, where Cyprus, as a Cypriot, is no more?
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:23 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
i'll ask again, would you join a rally under the Flag of Cyprus with other Cypriots in the occupied territories, if in this election coming in October a candidate, a Cypriot candidate, called upon Cypriots to do so?

...or is it that "You" prefer a Cyprus, where Cyprus, as a Cypriot, is no more?


No, I still dont think I would

I do see your point but;

Akinci has probably been the best of a bad bunch as far as a solution for the Cyprus problem is concerned although he is just the same as his predecessors. He came bearing olive branches and telling Stassi to get ready for a solution. But, then he was negotiating the same thing as Eroglu. :roll:

He will be undermined and jostled to the side come the next election and be replaced with a more "hard line" candidate to Turkeys liking. Who will then negotiate the same kind of solution as Akinci was. :roll:

Turkey must be removed from the north for either the TC's to come to their senses or repatriate themselves to Turkey if they cant bear living in a democracy with the GC's.

Im just keeping it real, the Cyprus problem is a Turkish problem inflicted on Cyprus.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:14 am

...if he has the courage to stand as a Cypriot, making it very clear he is no "Turk", he will not be pushed to the side as you say, he will take center stage; and he may win.

...having won, from the support he has from Cypriots, everything will change. Even in the Presidential election (in two years), the issue, what is a Cypriot may become as an issue that much clearer; not "Greek", not "Turkish", such a constituency as a whole. And "being" Turkey's National Issue, such an act by Cypriots, changing themselves, bettering themselves, for Cyprus, it may be cause for Hope, in Turkey, over that which divides Turkey, now: "Turkishness".

"Turkey", one hopes, will be removed by the People, in Cyprus. But which People? (And how?)

...this is something, Max, i strongly suggest you think about a little more closely.

...in Cyprus it should be Cypriots (and without force). If you are a Cypriot; this should be plain to you.

Not "Greek" and not "Turk", Turkish or Greek should make no difference, as a Cypriot, wouldn't you say it is "our" battle?

Occupied, or not occupied, as "Cyprus" has been defined (by 'them") for the same reason, to a Cypriot, should make no difference either, don't you think?

...are you telling me that you believe that "Cypriot Turks" voted in Akinci, that Turkish Cypriots do not exist, that to "be" a Cypriot one must be "Greek", that all people Turkish are "Turks"?

Please explain how that is any different to the "Turks" who call Greeks, "Greeks", and Turks traitors?

...i suggest "they" (as Dogmas,) are the same, and no different; this, Cypriots silenced as they have become may demonstrate once again awakened: that they are neither.

...and in the context of this topic, critically important, for "this" to change regionally speaking, as well.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:54 am

Oh boy!

Turkey must have really pissed off Saudi Arabia and UAE because they are funding Greece’s Rafale purchase. :lol:
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:11 am

Paphitis wrote:Oh boy!

Turkey must have really pissed off Saudi Arabia and UAE because they are funding Greece’s Rafale purchase. :lol:


They have managed to p155 off the whole Arab league Paphitis,

The organisation has passed a resolution condemning Turkeys interference in the middle east and eastern med..

https://ahvalnews.com/arab-league/turke ... _entity=en

Seems that everyone is on to their games and the negative influence they bring.

They are going to pour heavy weapons in to Kurdish hands next.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:52 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Oh boy!

Turkey must have really pissed off Saudi Arabia and UAE because they are funding Greece’s Rafale purchase. :lol:


They have managed to p155 off the whole Arab league Paphitis,

The organisation has passed a resolution condemning Turkeys interference in the middle east and eastern med..

https://ahvalnews.com/arab-league/turke ... _entity=en

Seems that everyone is on to their games and the negative influence they bring.

They are going to pour heavy weapons in to Kurdish hands next.


That's great Max.

I got to say I have a soft spot for the UAE. Wonderful country.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:38 am

...the "Red Apple", has anyone ever heard of this before?

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/erdogans-red-apple/

The Red Apple, a militaristic myth that symbolizes the Turks’ political ambitions for ultimate world domination, has appeared ever more frequently in the Turkish media. What is important to remember about the myth is that, though the symbol’s origins are obscure and likely date from when the Turks were a nomadic people on the steppes of Central Asia, for the Ottomans it meant the inevitable capture of Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul), Vienna, and Rome – three of the greatest cities in 15th and 16th-century Europe – by the armies of the sultan. It’s those visions of grandeur that lay at the crux of the recent media campaign to assist Erdogan in fulfilling his grand vision – to revive the Ottoman Empire.

That may sound far-fetched to the outside observer, but unfortunately, it is true.

This most recently manifested itself in a speech given in late August by Erdogan to mark the 11th-century Battle of Manzikert, which saw the Seljuk Turks defeat the Greek-speaking Byzantine Empire and opened the door to the eventual Turkification and Islamization of Anatolia. In his speech, Erdogan said Turkey “will take whatever it is entitled to in the Mediterranean, Aegean and Black seas. We will not make any concessions,” and added that Greece “is unworthy” of its Byzantine legacy.
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