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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:34 pm

No, I have not heard of it,

But what the writer is warning off is somewhat plausible if there are no European counter measures to Endorgan's delusions of grandeur.

There is another article in Ahval alongside that one that states that the US is considering withdrawing from Incirlik, Turkey.

And concentrating their forces in the region by repositioning in Souda bay, Greece.

The partial lifting of the arms embargo on Cyprus has also been reported by one press outlet as being a bit of a damp squid for Cyprus. However, other sources from the US are saying it is more so the US can station military assets in Cyprus and to train and cooperate with the Cypriot national guard.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:31 pm

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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:20 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x6nYtn6xcM&feature=youtu.be


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If that was true, Endorgan and his parrot would accept what everyone has been saying and sprint to resolve the differences in the Hague.....
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:41 pm

If you have the time,

A 2 hour EU debate (today) of Turkey's role in the eastern med, ahead of the formal council of ministers meeting in about 10 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIYB3WDSZo

Basically, no one said anything good or in support of Turkey.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:00 pm

Cliff notes of many points raised by the participants;

A new relationship with Turkey is required.
Turkey is not a partner in the eastern med,
Turkey does not share EU values and does not belong in the EU
End customs union, it costs EU tax payers millions
Turkey is blackmailing the EU with migrants
Turkey is backsliding, tramples on treaties, the rule of law and human rights.
Turkey has hostile behavior and the rhetoric of war,
The ottoman empire doesn't exist anymore. Turkey is provocative,
Action is needed so it hits home that Europe will not be blackmailed or accept threats of war.
Severe sanctions should be imposed so it hits home.
Stop exporting weapons to Turkey.
Turkey is treasonous, they like the benefits of their relationship with the EU but dont respect us or our values.
This is a European conflict in many ways.
We must find a solution to the situation in Cyprus, based on international law and the UN resolutions.
Turkey wants to threaten a couple of EU member states with war and casus beli and expects the rest of us to butt out.
Turkey is weakening and undermining the fight against ISIS, is occupying Syria and is sending mercenaries everywhere.
Turkey is creating refugees and sending them to us for money.
We have been supporting the Erdogan regime and giving them billions and they create all these problems for us.
Turkey has reached new heights of unilateralism to intimidate traditional allies in Europe and NATO.
Stop fueling this state with money and hypocritical rhetoric, this country is not a European country and will never be a European state.
Turkey is an offence to our values, it is shocking to see that we are so quick to impose sanctions on Belarus but its taken so long with Turkey.
The EU has not really been there to counter Turkeys authoritarian actions and leadership. We have to restrict our military cooperation.
Turkey constantly harasses the Kurdish population, journalists and people of the opposition.
The law, international law and the law of the sea is the only way to deescalate the conflicts in the region.
Greece has the right to defend its territorial waters, under this convention (UNCLOS). What we want to see is dialogue.
Once again we are discussing Turkey, once again we are discussing the dictator Erdogan, for how much longer are we gong to be talking about this. Turkey is not a friend of Europe, Erdogan's Turkey is our enemy.
Erdogan is a bully and an abuser. He will be no friendlier by pumping money in to Turkey. We need to cut him off, close our borders with Turkey.
Turkey keeps racking up violations of Haman rights and violations of international law.
Turkey invades its neighbors and violates their territory to commit human rights violations and conflict. its a real threat to peace and security.
There is broad consensus and ranging agreement and we need to put a stop to the alarming situation with the Turkish government.
Abuse, manipulation, the time has come to face up to Erdogan.
We must move beyond this state and put a stop to this ongoing problem with Turkey.
May I remind you that Turkey is occupying an EU member state for many, many years now and Turkey doesn't respect any of the UN resolutions and keeps threatening and does not facilitate a viable solution in Cyprus.
I cannot understand how this country is still a candidate country to join the EU, it doesn't belong to the EU.
We have given this oriental despot billions in accession funds for years but this country doesn't belong to the EU. It has no intentions on complying with EU values.
Lack of respect for Christian communities, Turkey is converting churches in to mosques. Accession negotiations and funding should be stopped.
We can use those accession funds for better things.
This is not just about Erdogan, he has the support of a lot of the population.
They keep using their status as an EU candidate country for equidistant, they threaten and blackmail, just take it away. I think we all agree that Turkey is not going to be an EU member, it doens belong in the EU, our beliefs and values and history is vastly different. Just take it away.
Turkey establishes belligerent and adversary relations with the EU.
We were quick to impose sanctions for Russian occupation of Crimea and violating international law. But here we have constant bullying of member states, illegal occupation of a member state, violations of international law and we are still talking about doing something about Turkey.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:17 am

It looks like the US is considering moving all its assets to Greece and in particular Souda Bay in Crete.

Also, there are discussions between Greece and France whereby some Mirage 2000-5s will be transferred to the Cyprus National Guard, :lol:

Greece is also negotiating the purchase of 4 new Guided Missile Frigates from France - Belharra.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:11 am

Maximus wrote:If you have the time,

A 2 hour EU debate (today) of Turkey's role in the eastern med, ahead of the formal council of ministers meeting in about 10 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIYB3WDSZo

Basically, no one said anything good or in support of Turkey.


...interesting, thanks Max.

i did not know that Libya holds Italian hostages, but the Italian rep. did not make it clear who is holding them.

Germany with her "soft approach", was disappointing, seeming weak, lacking leadership, in stark contrast to the other reps who were quite frank, holding positions that affirmed a commitment to the Universal Principals, on which the EU is based and as a result demonstrate a singular position, for European values, (which (Erdogan's) Turkey, clearly has chosen not to respect).

...pity the speakers are not identified by country, (or Party), some were stirring, going so far as to call Turkey an enemy (to Europe), and a threat to all her neighbors, not "friends".

...indeed there are quite a few who question why sanctions against Belarus came immediately, yet with Turkey delayed, despite the seriousness, for so long, of their digressions and open hostility.

...several have suggested that Turkey's candidature should be terminated.

...some question motives, recalling that Erdogan's belligerence, is against the Turkish People themselves; putting the EU into a difficult position, having to consider their plight.

...by the rules the EU cannot limit arms to Turkey, the point was made, the reps. should be communicating to the Nations they represent as well, that is where unilateral action can be made.

...civil society in Turkey were not forgotten in conclusion; i am hopeful. There is no shame in the EU's acknowledgement that Turkey is not made up of Erdogan alone.

...enjoyed the vid. so much i gave it a thumbs up! :shock:
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:28 am

I got a response from Australia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade to the letter I wrote to them with regard to Turkey’s illegal surveys in the EEZs of Greece and ROC.

They said they were aware of the tensions and have been constantly monitoring the situation constantly through the Department and from our diplomats.

They also mentioned the continued occupation of Cyprus and expressed their position on the Cyprus Problem.

Also the conversion of Agia Sophia.

They made a special mention of Australia’s relationship with Greece, and even as allies at war and the tremendous contribution of Greeks in contemporary Australia. R

They made it very clear that they view Turkey’s actions to be illegal and they support dialogue under international law, and UN Convention of the Law of the Sea.

I’m happy to post the text if anyone is interested.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:34 am

...cheers Paph; so you are a nerd, too: everyone should do their part.

Freedom for Cyprus!

...and quite frankly i have not been more hopeful in a long time.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby MR-from-NG » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:05 am

Paphitis wrote:I got a response from Australia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade to the letter I wrote to them with regard to Turkey’s illegal surveys in the EEZs of Greece and ROC.

They said they were aware of the tensions and have been constantly monitoring the situation constantly through the Department and from our diplomats.

They also mentioned the continued occupation of Cyprus and expressed their position on the Cyprus Problem.

Also the conversion of Agia Sophia.

They made a special mention of Australia’s relationship with Greece, and even as allies at war and the tremendous contribution of Greeks in contemporary Australia. R

They made it very clear that they view Turkey’s actions to be illegal and they support dialogue under international law, and UN Convention of the Law of the Sea.

I’m happy to post the text if anyone is interested.


Not interested mate. What you can post for me though is your marriage certificate. I don't believe any woman would be crazy/desperate enough to marry and idiot like you. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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