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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:30 pm

This is a very interesting article,

related to the fledling east med gas forum

https://ahvalnews.com/east-mediterranea ... _entity=en

This forum is expected to draw much international interest, especially from mediteranean countries that have not joined yet. Possibly from importers of gas as far as India and China as well.

It is basically open to any gas producer, exporter, importer or transit country, as long as they adhere to the rules of the founding members.

Which basically means recongizing each member states rights to their EEZ under UNCLOS, contributes to peace and stability in the region and does not use the threat of force against any member.

This forum is being dubbed as a major historical break through in peace, defense and energy cooperation in a volatile region.

At the moment, it is an anti Turkish aggression alliance but that could change if Turkey changes.

But Turkey being Turkey, that s unlikely. She has just shafted herself, yet again while others move forward and build solid relationships with each other.

What Turkey intends to do is to organise a gas conference with the "TRNC", under some clandestine delusion that others will attend and she is going to usurp it all and emerge as the leader and energy hub of the region. :lol: :lol:

But Egypt beat them too it,

With head quarters in Cairo, Egypt has become the energy hub of the eastern med with its already established infrastructure and energy deposits, interconnecting the regions resource and facilitating transit to Europe and beyond..
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:33 pm

"Some recent events and trends indicate that the next hotbed of tension may well become the border line between Armenia and the Nakhichevan exclave, which is separated from the rest of Azerbaijan by Armenia’s Zangezur Mountains and the southern regions of the unrecognised Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, adjacent to the Araks river."

https://valdaiclub.com/a/highlights/tur ... processes/

''The Turkish media openly discusses the issue of deploying full-scale military bases in Nakhichevan and Absheron, which, on the one hand, does not contradict Turkey’s NATO membership, and on the other hand, fits into the logic of foreign policy expansion along the periphery of the former “Ottoman empire” and even outside of it (for example, in Africa). There is reason to believe that after the above-mentioned exercises, Turkey left F-16 multipurpose fighters in Azerbaijan with their crews, as well as a number of Bayraktar TB2 strike drones, which were combat-tested in Syria and Libya. Yerevan has reacted to this by conducting its own exercises, improving its forward defensive lines and activating the “Middle East” vector of its foreign policy. In addition to intensified diplomatic contacts with Greece and the Republic of Cyprus, one can mention the recent working visit of Armenian Foreign Minister Zohrab Mnatsakanyan to Egypt, whose leadership is concerned about Ankara’s growing regional ambitions.''

...more reason for Greek forces to be on alert. More reason for the EU to take Erdogan's threat to their own security more seriously.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:39 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:"Some recent events and trends indicate that the next hotbed of tension may well become the border line between Armenia and the Nakhichevan exclave, which is separated from the rest of Azerbaijan by Armenia’s Zangezur Mountains and the southern regions of the unrecognised Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, adjacent to the Araks river."

https://valdaiclub.com/a/highlights/tur ... processes/

''The Turkish media openly discusses the issue of deploying full-scale military bases in Nakhichevan and Absheron, which, on the one hand, does not contradict Turkey’s NATO membership, and on the other hand, fits into the logic of foreign policy expansion along the periphery of the former “Ottoman empire” and even outside of it (for example, in Africa). There is reason to believe that after the above-mentioned exercises, Turkey left F-16 multipurpose fighters in Azerbaijan with their crews, as well as a number of Bayraktar TB2 strike drones, which were combat-tested in Syria and Libya. Yerevan has reacted to this by conducting its own exercises, improving its forward defensive lines and activating the “Middle East” vector of its foreign policy. In addition to intensified diplomatic contacts with Greece and the Republic of Cyprus, one can mention the recent working visit of Armenian Foreign Minister Zohrab Mnatsakanyan to Egypt, whose leadership is concerned about Ankara’s growing regional ambitions.''

...more reason for Greek forces to be on alert. More reason for the EU to take Erdogan's threat to their own security more seriously.


It seems to me this is a Turkey that is unconfident. A turkey grasping at straws.

Defeated against Greece, diplomatically, they need to save face. So they target Armenia.

All Armenia needs to do is hold firm. Use any means at its disposal and even try to play off Russia against them.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:13 pm

...any weakness shown by the EU will be exploited.

Greece is not the game, neither is Cyprus, that is what Erdogan said long time ago (originally), nothing has changed in his actions to demonstrate that he is willing to re-board shall we say, as he describes it, "that train called Democracy".

Such as it is Cyprus is right to resist going along with the EU leadership, regarding sanctions on Belarus, without an EU policy; when such actions are called for does seem arbitrary in how it's applied.

...yes Armenia will have to hang on. Let's hope by then Europe will be done with appeasement; Erdogan is not grasping at straws, "we" have been saying that years now.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:37 pm

Polls show Erdogan party at a low of 31%. Erdogan will do anything to bring those numbers up, and ncluding war against Armenia. But the EU refuses to place sanctions in Turkey.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:49 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:Polls show Erdogan party at a low of 31%. Erdogan will do anything to bring those numbers up, and ncluding war against Armenia. But the EU refuses to place sanctions in Turkey.


They can hardly wait

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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:25 am

...here it is described the other way around,

Today has been a bloody day between Armenians and Azerbaijanis as the latter launched an offensive to capture the historically Armenian region of Artsakh.

It was a costly affair for the Azerbaijanis as they suffered 200 casualties, while four helicopters and 33 tanks and armored vehicles, along with 27 drones and two military engineering vehicles, were destroyed by the Armenians.

The Armenian today lost 16 soldiers and over 100 wounded.

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/09/28/c ... t-artsakh/



"Gentlemen and ladies of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, your announcement is a shame for Greece. Do you forget the tripartite relationship between Cyprus, Greece, Armenia? Do you forget the direct support of Armenia in the recent crisis with Turkey? Do you forget Aliyev’s insult to our Ambassador?”, says Kaspar Karampetian, President of the European Armenian Federation for Justice and Democracy, of Greece's slow response, while Cyprus answered immediately.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:22 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:Polls show Erdogan party at a low of 31%. Erdogan will do anything to bring those numbers up, and ncluding war against Armenia. But the EU refuses to place sanctions in Turkey.


The Turkish Lira hit a record low again today, surpassing 7.80 to the USD.

Whatever erdogollumdegan does to try to bring those numbers up, he sends other numbers in the opposite direction.

The harder he tries to gain popularity, the more poverty the average Turk gets.

his regime is well passed its sell by date. now he is preparing to write his legacy, which will go down in infamy.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Kikapu » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:08 pm

Maximus wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:Polls show Erdogan party at a low of 31%. Erdogan will do anything to bring those numbers up, and ncluding war against Armenia. But the EU refuses to place sanctions in Turkey.


The Turkish Lira hit a record low again today, surpassing 7.80 to the USD.

Whatever erdogollumdegan does to try to bring those numbers up, he sends other numbers in the opposite direction.

The harder he tries to gain popularity, the more poverty the average Turk gets.

his regime is well passed its sell by date. now he is preparing to write his legacy, which will go down in infamy.

This is despite the bank raising the rates by 2% the other day. Lira and Erdogan are on a magic roundabout free fall ride. :wink:
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:13 pm

The CB needs to raise the interest rates to about 30% for a period of time to stabilize the lira and give it a chance to come down.

The markets are responding to this lack or meaningful measures and all these other military fronts Endog is creating in the meanwhile.

Turkey's budget cant afford it and the direct or indirect risk of economic damage as a result of it all is rising.

What a fck up.
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