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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Lordo » Fri May 07, 2021 7:24 pm

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Lordo wrote:Hope you slept well last night then? Is what I can say today.


I don't think anyone's out to stop you expressing your views Lordo. Canute comes to mind. Either that or............................. they'd be too frightened. :lol:

Yes, slept well thank you.

I'm not wanting particularly to provoke a bun fight - and of course it's not OP related - but you must be pretty disappointed at some of the UK election results that are trickling in?

No this has t be discussed at the other in another thread.

I will pop over and make a comment
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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri May 07, 2021 10:15 pm

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Lordo wrote:Boy have you thrown out your dummy again?

“.. I can understand you did not live in the 50s 60s and 70s but surely 2004 is not that far away. The idea that no refugee would be allowed to return is bullshit. The reason is that they went into great detail to describe the meaning of a home and a house. The idea was not to create a lot more refugees some the 4th time.

So the main rule for a home was that you lived in it for 14 years before you left and moved south. If that's the case you had priority of getting your property back. If you left your home before that age, your home was classified as a house which is like property as opposed to a home. So there would be a commission to decide who has priority the resident or the original owner.

So you see fakingdoodle was talking out of his ass as per usual saying no refugee would be allowed to return, which is nothing unusual. It is true that not all refugees would be allowed to return, just the same as no TCs would be forced to return to their homes in the south either. In realty even if all refugees were allowed to return, what percentage of people would actually even be able to return. I am going to leave my lovely house and my well paid job to return to some dusty old village on the bendadahdilos? I don't thinks boy. So grow up some and think about what you are saying.

Let him explain to me how TCs would dictate to GCs at federal Level, which is simply bullshit too. The same plan is being used by our fascists claiming that accepting BBF is in effect being controlled by GCs.

Now you can see the same situation cannot be two different things at the same time. Let me make it even clearer. The baby bottle your mummy gives you the white milk in is white. It cannot be black at the same time.

Now fuck off and go do something useful for mummy rather than interrupt adults discussing serious matters.


can understand you did not live in the 50s 60s and 70s but surely 2004 is not that far away. The idea that no refugee would be allowed to return is bullshit. The reason is that they went into great detail to describe the meaning of a home and a house. The idea was not to create a lot more refugees some the 4th time…”

koLordo you are full shit…. Where in the Annan plan did it specify age for return of property.?. Annan stated that refugees could get up to a third of their property back.. How? The tc states government would have to approve the numbers.. the tc legislature could approve .001% and it would be legal.. there were no guarantees that the refugees would get anything back… except for people that were older let’s say 60’s and 70’s I can’t recall the exact age.. …. But after their death the tc constitute state would take over the house…. The key words you moron koLordo is “ up to”. It doesn’t say a third but states, up to…. That’s one of the nuances in the Annan plan…. Since the Greek Cypriots are the vast majority of 82% the tc are nothing more then a small minority of 15% .. the rights of the majority are just as important as the rights of the minority…. Political equality in the federal system proposed in Cyprus neglects the rights of the majority…. It neglected the rights of the majority in Zurich and you see the results..

Rah vromo shilla, they took it to the EU court to make sure it would be acceptable to the EU. It was EU who came up withthe solution.
1. GC who who were older than 14 in 1974 were entitled to their home. The resident could offer to by the home they lived in for the last 4 odd years or even exchange property inthe south, but the decision would be GC to make.
2. Anybody who was younger than 14 in 1974 had the right to ask for theirproperty but only if the resident owner was willing to move. There were several choices possible. The resident could be offered another house int ehplace they lived as well as the GC Owner could also be offered a home in the place they were born and compromise would have to be reached. Bur if the GC owner was less than 14 There was no automatic right.

How many fukcing Cypriots were less than 14 in 1974 gavole.

And here you are saying not a single GC refugee would be allowed.

What are you? You are a fackin ignorant cunt. No go away and study the agreement that was made in 2004.



The age thing of 14 or whatever you were typing didn’t come up until after Annan, you drunkin dummy.. it came up during the negotiations with Akinci..
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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Lordo » Fri May 07, 2021 11:31 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote:Boy have you thrown out your dummy again?

“.. I can understand you did not live in the 50s 60s and 70s but surely 2004 is not that far away. The idea that no refugee would be allowed to return is bullshit. The reason is that they went into great detail to describe the meaning of a home and a house. The idea was not to create a lot more refugees some the 4th time.

So the main rule for a home was that you lived in it for 14 years before you left and moved south. If that's the case you had priority of getting your property back. If you left your home before that age, your home was classified as a house which is like property as opposed to a home. So there would be a commission to decide who has priority the resident or the original owner.

So you see fakingdoodle was talking out of his ass as per usual saying no refugee would be allowed to return, which is nothing unusual. It is true that not all refugees would be allowed to return, just the same as no TCs would be forced to return to their homes in the south either. In realty even if all refugees were allowed to return, what percentage of people would actually even be able to return. I am going to leave my lovely house and my well paid job to return to some dusty old village on the bendadahdilos? I don't thinks boy. So grow up some and think about what you are saying.

Let him explain to me how TCs would dictate to GCs at federal Level, which is simply bullshit too. The same plan is being used by our fascists claiming that accepting BBF is in effect being controlled by GCs.

Now you can see the same situation cannot be two different things at the same time. Let me make it even clearer. The baby bottle your mummy gives you the white milk in is white. It cannot be black at the same time.

Now fuck off and go do something useful for mummy rather than interrupt adults discussing serious matters.


can understand you did not live in the 50s 60s and 70s but surely 2004 is not that far away. The idea that no refugee would be allowed to return is bullshit. The reason is that they went into great detail to describe the meaning of a home and a house. The idea was not to create a lot more refugees some the 4th time…”

koLordo you are full shit…. Where in the Annan plan did it specify age for return of property.?. Annan stated that refugees could get up to a third of their property back.. How? The tc states government would have to approve the numbers.. the tc legislature could approve .001% and it would be legal.. there were no guarantees that the refugees would get anything back… except for people that were older let’s say 60’s and 70’s I can’t recall the exact age.. …. But after their death the tc constitute state would take over the house…. The key words you moron koLordo is “ up to”. It doesn’t say a third but states, up to…. That’s one of the nuances in the Annan plan…. Since the Greek Cypriots are the vast majority of 82% the tc are nothing more then a small minority of 15% .. the rights of the majority are just as important as the rights of the minority…. Political equality in the federal system proposed in Cyprus neglects the rights of the majority…. It neglected the rights of the majority in Zurich and you see the results..

Rah vromo shilla, they took it to the EU court to make sure it would be acceptable to the EU. It was EU who came up withthe solution.
1. GC who who were older than 14 in 1974 were entitled to their home. The resident could offer to by the home they lived in for the last 4 odd years or even exchange property inthe south, but the decision would be GC to make.
2. Anybody who was younger than 14 in 1974 had the right to ask for theirproperty but only if the resident owner was willing to move. There were several choices possible. The resident could be offered another house int ehplace they lived as well as the GC Owner could also be offered a home in the place they were born and compromise would have to be reached. Bur if the GC owner was less than 14 There was no automatic right.

How many fukcing Cypriots were less than 14 in 1974 gavole.

And here you are saying not a single GC refugee would be allowed.

What are you? You are a fackin ignorant cunt. No go away and study the agreement that was made in 2004.



The age thing of 14 or whatever you were typing didn’t come up until after Anna
n, you drunkin dummy.. it came up during the negotiations with Akinci..
Drinking cheap whiskey and posting on Cyprus forum is a no no …


You been lookin in the mirror again old fool. The actual age may have been clarified later however the provision of how some properties would be returned was in the plan. So your bullshit of no GC would be allowed to retur was exactly that.

Here is an extract from
Article 6 - Claims and applications

1. A dispossessed owner shall be entitled to claim compensation for his/her title to property or the reinstatement of his/her property.

so were you telling a lie or were you ignorant about the different choices offered to both original owners and the current residents. The court was merely asked to clarify at what age can a person claim a property to be their home and the EU court came to a decision to use 14 or over is a home and lower is just a house so they would only be able to claim the title and sell it on presumably to the current owner, especially as most TC properties in the south were exchanged for properties in the north so the usual way is to offer property in the south which is something that has already occurred through the courts.

You ignorant swinehound
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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Maximus » Sat May 08, 2021 2:49 am

yes, Bordospouro is right, a single GC could return

but the information that he is not volunteering is that not many GC's would be eligible to return or could return for various reasons, including quotas on the number of GC's that could reside in the TC constituent state.

For the rest, like 95% of them, some 190k people;

A dispossessed owner of immovable property would be able to claim for compensation if restitution is not possible but the constituent state from which they hail from would be compensating them.

In other words, the vast majority of GC refugees wouldnt get their property back and the GC constituent state would pay for their loss. As if it could without bankrupting the constituent state...

Doesn't sound right, fair of just to me.

That appalling plan was a disaster, for instances, it stated that the united Cyprus republic would be a full member state of the EU, and have respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. As, they would be enshrined in the Constitution.

Then in the next paragraph, there would be text that would violate someones human rights and not respect their fundamental freedoms. It was full of contradictions like that. As an example, all GC's could live work and travel across the whole of the EU, without restriction. but not in the TC constituent state, which is supposed to be a part of their country that would join the union as well.

Then, simpletons like golobordo, harp on at every turn that the GC's dont want a solution because they voted no to reunification in 2004 and missed their chance to live under Turkish apartheid. :roll:
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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Lordo » Sat May 08, 2021 10:16 am

Maximus wrote:yes, Bordospouro is right, a single GC could return

but the information that he is not volunteering is that not many GC's would be eligible to return or could return for various reasons, including quotas on the number of GC's that could reside in the TC constituent state.

For the rest, like 95% of them, some 190k people;

A dispossessed owner of immovable property would be able to claim for compensation if restitution is not possible but the constituent state from which they hail from would be compensating them.

In other words, the vast majority of GC refugees wouldnt get their property back and the GC constituent state would pay for their loss. As if it could without bankrupting the constituent state...

Doesn't sound right, fair of just to me.

That appalling plan was a disaster, for instances, it stated that the united Cyprus republic would be a full member state of the EU, and have respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. As, they would be enshrined in the Constitution.

Then in the next paragraph, there would be text that would violate someones human rights and not respect their fundamental freedoms. It was full of contradictions like that. As an example, all GC's could live work and travel across the whole of the EU, without restriction. but not in the TC constituent state, which is supposed to be a part of their country that would join the union as well.

Then, simpletons like golobordo, harp on at every turn that the GC's dont want a solution because they voted no to reunification in 2004 and missed their chance to live under Turkish apartheid. :roll:

Ignorance is like a desease, it spread if not controlled. I guess you have not read theplan or at least the section on property.

Here is what it says just before what I haveposted.

2. Bearing in mind that the Foundation Agreement provides a domestic remedy for the solution of all matters related to affected property, the United Cyprus Republic shall, pursuant to Article 37 of the 1950 European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and invoking the fact that the Foundation Agreement is providing a domestic remedy for the solution of all questions related to affected property, inform the European Court of
Human Rights through the letter in Attachment 5 that the United Cyprus Republic shall therefore be the sole responsible State Party and request the Court to strike out any proceedings currently before it concerning affected property, in order to allow the domestic mechanism agreed to solve these cases to proceed.

Now kindly tell me who was controlling what again? I normally would call you "you ignorant embryonic cunt." at this point but I have decided a softer approach may benefit your learning process so snage of strategy for you as you are so young.
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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Lordo » Sat May 08, 2021 10:55 am

And here is another bit you are unaware of too.

Page 77 - Article 7 - Relocation Board

1. Relocation pursuant to Article 5 shall be managed by a Relocation Board, comprising five persons, including one representative of each
constituent state and three non-Cypriots who are not citizens of Greece, Turkey or the United Kingdom and of whom one shall be a United Nations representative. The latter is invited to chair the Board. The Secretary-General of the United Nations is invited to appoint the non-Cypriot members of the Board.

2. The constituent states shall each nominate a representative of their authority competent for housing and property issues, their authority competent for employment/economic issues, their constituent state police and each of the local authorities for the areas subject to territorial adjustment, to cooperate and liaise with the Relocation Board and attend
extended planning meetings at the request of the Board.

3. Among other responsibilities the Relocation Board will, in cooperation
with international agencies, work with the constituent states to develop


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I'm sure they're telling us lies Joe please tell us it ain't so

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He doesn't know how to go on
We're clinging to his charm and determined smile
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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat May 08, 2021 3:11 pm

I’ll make it simple for you kolordo…. Any restrictions based on race or religion within a tc constituent state supercede the EU aquis.. basically any claim by a Gc for his/ her properties would be denied.. based on the fact that restrictions supercede.. there was a point in Annan that stated any appeal of a court within the tc state could only go as high as the tc Supreme Court … which means the Gc could not go to the EU for interpretation of a law within the tc state.. nuances of a federation.. and if Annan was voted into an agreement it basically meant the Gc were voting for their loss of property
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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Kikapu » Sat May 08, 2021 3:35 pm

Annan Plan could have only passed the EU’s smell test if the AP had actually passed before Cyprus became a full member of the EU after the failed referendum. Today, a similar Annan Plan to the one in 2004 would never pass the EU’s smell test, which is why the BBF is no longer desired by the “ trnc”. The AP boat has sailed in 2004 and that it will never reach land again. That is the reality of the AP’s proposals.
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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Lordo » Sat May 08, 2021 4:10 pm

Kikapu wrote:Annan Plan could have only passed the EU’s smell test if the AP had actually passed before Cyprus became a full member of the EU after the failed referendum. Today, a similar Annan Plan to the one in 2004 would never pass the EU’s smell test, which is why the BBF is no longer desired by the “ trnc”. The AP boat has sailed in 2004 and that it will never reach land again. That is the reality of the AP’s proposals.

I am afraid you are rather misinformed about the matter Kicks. Akinci discussion which included clarifications regarding property was based on the Annan Plan and it was accepted as late as 2017 in Crans Montana. Their exact comment was what ever the Cypriots accept would be acceptable to us.

The usual shit comes from ameriganos, who started by saying not a single GC would be able to return to their home and yet Annan plan made plenty of provisions for all. It is a simple fact that not all Cypriots would want to return to their village after setting up their life in where ever they may reside today but at least they would get compensation and for some people it would be a life changing sum.

The reason TRNC is not desiring BBF at this point is nothing to do with BBF but more to do with Tatar who never desired BBF in the first place. The second reason is Erdogan wants to use the Cypriots to extract concessions from the Europeans as well as the Americans and if he can get away with from the Russians too.
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Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Kikapu » Sat May 08, 2021 4:30 pm

Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Annan Plan could have only passed the EU’s smell test if the AP had actually passed before Cyprus became a full member of the EU after the failed referendum. Today, a similar Annan Plan to the one in 2004 would never pass the EU’s smell test, which is why the BBF is no longer desired by the “ trnc”. The AP boat has sailed in 2004 and that it will never reach land again. That is the reality of the AP’s proposals.

I am afraid you are rather misinformed about the matter Kicks. Akinci discussion which included clarifications regarding property was based on the Annan Plan and it was accepted as late as 2017 in Crans Montana. Their exact comment was what ever the Cypriots accept would be acceptable to us.

The usual shit comes from ameriganos, who started by saying not a single GC would be able to return to their home and yet Annan plan made plenty of provisions for all. It is a simple fact that not all Cypriots would want to return to their village after setting up their life in where ever they may reside today but at least they would get compensation and for some people it would be a life changing sum.

The reason TRNC is not desiring BBF at this point is nothing to do with BBF but more to do with Tatar who never desired BBF in the first place. The second reason is Erdogan wants to use the Cypriots to extract concessions from the Europeans as well as the Americans and if he can get away with from the Russians too.


I know Lordo, but as you know, the AP was about 9,000 pages long, which I am sure not many people knew all the details of all of the 9,000 pages, but most knew just the talking points. I am sure when the EU says “they would accept what the Cypriots would agree to”, would also means that it would need to pass their smell test also. They couldn’t possible make exceptions only to Cyprus and not let Turkey into the EU club under the conditions Turkey wants, not to mention the other EU member states. Before the 2004 referendum the EU would have accepted anything since Cyprus would not be a EU member for another week or so, but at the same time, the EU could have rejected the entry of Cyprus into the EU Club if it did not pass their smell test from the conditions Cyprus applied for the membership in the first place years before. Perhaps the EU was counting on that just to tell Greece who had basically blackmailed the EU to accept Cyprus into the club, “well, we tried, but Cypriots chose to agree to terms which does not pass our smell test”, and Greece would have had to take it in the ass and go along with the EU.
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