The Best Cyprus Community

Skip to content


What is a Federation?

Everything related to politics in Cyprus and the rest of the world.

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Lordo » Thu May 06, 2021 7:40 pm

Just so it is not misunderstood, majority of TCs would swear allegiance to the passport and the RoC but unfortunately of those only a few thousand would do the same to the GRoC which has no resemblance to the RoC which we were born into, You can leave Tatar and his gang out of this and do as you wish with them, but if you have a go at all the TCs that puts you on the asshole category.

RoC was destroyed on the 21st of December 1963 when GC gangs decided to attack TCs in order to get them to accept the 13 amendments and remove the veto so they can implement Enosis. What kind of an asshole is blind to this simple fact especially as in 1967 the Parliament voted unanimously for Enosis. Or have you forgotten that little incident.
Or perhaps you have forgotten the cry of the Greek Officer in Kofunye who shouted to his soldiers he did not want to see a single TC chicken alive. How long has chickens been associated with the community they live in. Only in the GROC world is that possible. Or perhaps the disabled man who could not excape and was burnt alive.

Boys you cannot look the other way. The information is out there. Seek the truth and enlighten yourselves.
I will look through the 1967 UN report to see if they actually reported that incident.
User avatar
Lordo
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 15610
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:13 pm
Location: softalar, banana republic

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Maximus » Thu May 06, 2021 7:40 pm

I think you are talking billbo baggins as usual.

You have no self awareness and it has gone way over your head.

how TCs would dictate to GCs at federal Level, which is simply bullshit too.


We dont even have a federation but your side is dictating now and decades before with property, territory, settlers, "political equality", Turkish guarantees and the EEZ issue.

The GC's dont want it and it is not beneficial for them but your side has imposed it.

:?

The RoC is alive and kicking and there is no ENOSIS, only TAKSIM and illegal occupation.
Maximus
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 6326
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:23 pm

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Londonrake » Thu May 06, 2021 8:00 pm

What a tragedy. :(

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
Londonrake
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 3104
Joined: Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:19 pm
Location: ROC

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu May 06, 2021 8:23 pm

Lordo has a point.

"majority of TCs would swear allegiance to the passport and the RoC but unfortunately of those only a few thousand would do the same to the GRoC".

...who remembers the Communal Chamber?

If we are prepared to look at our Constitution, we may reform it.

...it is not the Legislature alone, which was abandoned, nor only by a single "community".
User avatar
repulsewarrior
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 10878
Joined: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:13 am
Location: homeless in Canada

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu May 06, 2021 9:48 pm

Lordo wrote:Boy have you thrown out your dummy again?

“.. I can understand you did not live in the 50s 60s and 70s but surely 2004 is not that far away. The idea that no refugee would be allowed to return is bullshit. The reason is that they went into great detail to describe the meaning of a home and a house. The idea was not to create a lot more refugees some the 4th time.

So the main rule for a home was that you lived in it for 14 years before you left and moved south. If that's the case you had priority of getting your property back. If you left your home before that age, your home was classified as a house which is like property as opposed to a home. So there would be a commission to decide who has priority the resident or the original owner.

So you see fakingdoodle was talking out of his ass as per usual saying no refugee would be allowed to return, which is nothing unusual. It is true that not all refugees would be allowed to return, just the same as no TCs would be forced to return to their homes in the south either. In realty even if all refugees were allowed to return, what percentage of people would actually even be able to return. I am going to leave my lovely house and my well paid job to return to some dusty old village on the bendadahdilos? I don't thinks boy. So grow up some and think about what you are saying.

Let him explain to me how TCs would dictate to GCs at federal Level, which is simply bullshit too. The same plan is being used by our fascists claiming that accepting BBF is in effect being controlled by GCs.

Now you can see the same situation cannot be two different things at the same time. Let me make it even clearer. The baby bottle your mummy gives you the white milk in is white. It cannot be black at the same time.

Now fuck off and go do something useful for mummy rather than interrupt adults discussing serious matters.


can understand you did not live in the 50s 60s and 70s but surely 2004 is not that far away. The idea that no refugee would be allowed to return is bullshit. The reason is that they went into great detail to describe the meaning of a home and a house. The idea was not to create a lot more refugees some the 4th time…”

koLordo you are full shit…. Where in the Annan plan did it specify age for return of property.?. Annan stated that refugees could get up to a third of their property back.. How? The tc states government would have to approve the numbers.. the tc legislature could approve .001% and it would be legal.. there were no guarantees that the refugees would get anything back… except for people that were older let’s say 60’s and 70’s I can’t recall the exact age.. …. But after their death the tc constitute state would take over the house…. The key words you moron koLordo is “ up to”. It doesn’t say a third but states, up to…. That’s one of the nuances in the Annan plan…. Since the Greek Cypriots are the vast majority of 82% the tc are nothing more then a small minority of 15% .. the rights of the majority are just as important as the rights of the minority…. Political equality in the federal system proposed in Cyprus neglects the rights of the majority…. It neglected the rights of the majority in Zurich and you see the results..
Oceanside50
Regular Contributor
Regular Contributor
 
Posts: 2237
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:45 pm

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Lordo » Thu May 06, 2021 11:42 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
Lordo wrote:Boy have you thrown out your dummy again?

“.. I can understand you did not live in the 50s 60s and 70s but surely 2004 is not that far away. The idea that no refugee would be allowed to return is bullshit. The reason is that they went into great detail to describe the meaning of a home and a house. The idea was not to create a lot more refugees some the 4th time.

So the main rule for a home was that you lived in it for 14 years before you left and moved south. If that's the case you had priority of getting your property back. If you left your home before that age, your home was classified as a house which is like property as opposed to a home. So there would be a commission to decide who has priority the resident or the original owner.

So you see fakingdoodle was talking out of his ass as per usual saying no refugee would be allowed to return, which is nothing unusual. It is true that not all refugees would be allowed to return, just the same as no TCs would be forced to return to their homes in the south either. In realty even if all refugees were allowed to return, what percentage of people would actually even be able to return. I am going to leave my lovely house and my well paid job to return to some dusty old village on the bendadahdilos? I don't thinks boy. So grow up some and think about what you are saying.

Let him explain to me how TCs would dictate to GCs at federal Level, which is simply bullshit too. The same plan is being used by our fascists claiming that accepting BBF is in effect being controlled by GCs.

Now you can see the same situation cannot be two different things at the same time. Let me make it even clearer. The baby bottle your mummy gives you the white milk in is white. It cannot be black at the same time.

Now fuck off and go do something useful for mummy rather than interrupt adults discussing serious matters.


can understand you did not live in the 50s 60s and 70s but surely 2004 is not that far away. The idea that no refugee would be allowed to return is bullshit. The reason is that they went into great detail to describe the meaning of a home and a house. The idea was not to create a lot more refugees some the 4th time…”

koLordo you are full shit…. Where in the Annan plan did it specify age for return of property.?. Annan stated that refugees could get up to a third of their property back.. How? The tc states government would have to approve the numbers.. the tc legislature could approve .001% and it would be legal.. there were no guarantees that the refugees would get anything back… except for people that were older let’s say 60’s and 70’s I can’t recall the exact age.. …. But after their death the tc constitute state would take over the house…. The key words you moron koLordo is “ up to”. It doesn’t say a third but states, up to…. That’s one of the nuances in the Annan plan…. Since the Greek Cypriots are the vast majority of 82% the tc are nothing more then a small minority of 15% .. the rights of the majority are just as important as the rights of the minority…. Political equality in the federal system proposed in Cyprus neglects the rights of the majority…. It neglected the rights of the majority in Zurich and you see the results..

Rah vromo shilla, they took it to the EU court to make sure it would be acceptable to the EU. It was EU who came up withthe solution.
1. GC who who were older than 14 in 1974 were entitled to their home. The resident could offer to by the home they lived in for the last 4 odd years or even exchange property inthe south, but the decision would be GC to make.
2. Anybody who was younger than 14 in 1974 had the right to ask for theirproperty but only if the resident owner was willing to move. There were several choices possible. The resident could be offered another house int ehplace they lived as well as the GC Owner could also be offered a home in the place they were born and compromise would have to be reached. Bur if the GC owner was less than 14 There was no automatic right.

How many fukcing Cypriots were less than 14 in 1974 gavole.

And here you are saying not a single GC refugee would be allowed.

What are you? You are a fackin ignorant cunt. No go away and study the agreement that was made in 2004.
User avatar
Lordo
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 15610
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:13 pm
Location: softalar, banana republic

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Lordo » Thu May 06, 2021 11:59 pm

Londonrake wrote:What a tragedy. :(

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

The bullshitism is spreading.

Let me give you a brief history of Cyprus. Are you paying attention as DT would say.

1. Agreement was reached in 1959. Elections were held and ignored. Makarios distributed the seat. He gave Patriotic Front 30 seats for for 60% of the vote and Akel 5 seats for 38% of the vote. BTW this is a proportional Representations System.
2, Before even the Parliament sat in May 1960 our beloved Makarios set up the Akritas plan hoe to destroy the RoC and make Cyprus a province of Greece.

Now are you still paying attention?
3. They started a civil war intending to crush TC resistance and join Greece in just a few days, unfortunately it did not go according to plan.
4. They made sure TC MPS could not return and implemented an emergency government using the war they started as an excuse to change the constitution.
5. Now ordinarily it acceptable in a real war that government can be run under these conditions because of was and government business can continue.
Are you still paying attention? this when illegalities are legalised.
6. They went ahead using emergency powers to change the constitution to reduce the TCs to a political minority and have been running the government under this emergency power for 59 years.

It gets better in 1970. Election results and seat allocations.
--------------------------Votes------%age-------Seats
AKEL --------------------79,666-----39.8-------9
Eniaion-----------------51,082------25.5-------15
Progressive Front-----35,783------17.9-------7

Cut the crap about fucking nursery fucking rhymes will you and pay attention.

User avatar
Lordo
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 15610
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:13 pm
Location: softalar, banana republic

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 07, 2021 6:32 pm

You still can't ignore the irresistible lure of being the patronising, foul mouthed bully boy then Lordo. Although, you're certainly not alone on this forum in that respect.

A pity, as a lot of the time you seem to put your points over well enough without all the Mr Angry dressing.
Londonrake
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 3104
Joined: Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:19 pm
Location: ROC

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Lordo » Fri May 07, 2021 6:46 pm

Hope you slept well last night then? Is what I can say today.
User avatar
Lordo
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 15610
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:13 pm
Location: softalar, banana republic

Re: What is a Federation?

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 07, 2021 6:55 pm

Lordo wrote:Hope you slept well last night then? Is what I can say today.


I don't think anyone's out to stop you expressing your views Lordo. Canute comes to mind. Either that or............................. they'd be too frightened. :lol:

Yes, slept well thank you.

I'm not wanting particularly to provoke a bun fight - and of course it's not OP related - but you must be pretty disappointed at some of the UK election results that are trickling in?
Londonrake
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 3104
Joined: Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:19 pm
Location: ROC

PreviousNext

Return to Politics and Elections

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests