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Re: Is there god

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:17 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:Are these your own ideas you have formulated or is there a religion on earth based on it?


I don't know to what extent they are mine, but I 've talked with many people having similar but not identical views. My views are not based on any religion.

Just for curiosity explain this.

If we exist already and choose which body to enter, then how is this related to the 46 chromosomes we inherit from our parents?
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Re: Is there god

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:24 pm

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Lordo wrote:Are these your own ideas you have formulated or is there a religion on earth based on it?


I don't know to what extent they are mine, but I 've talked with many people having similar but not identical views. My views are not based on any religion.

Just for curiosity explain this.

If we exist already and chose which body to enter, then how is this related to the 46 chromosomes we inherit from our parents?


At first I thought of not replying to you. Did you guess I was talking about the soul?
Problem with you is you reject the existence of God, thefore there is no way for me to communicate with you on issues that are God related as e.g. the issue of the soul.
I am not saying this to convince you that God exists. It's fine with if you beleive the opposite.

Just to clarify some religions do in fact refer to the soul but in a totally wrong way. There is convergence among many non -religion bound people on the basics, that the soul never dies (only a few have to get destroyed) enters multiples times, in multiple living forms, and that by itself has the ability to advance to higher and higher levels and then to various spiritual levels.
Beyond the basics I personally have a lot of gaps...
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Re: Is there god

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:31 pm

Yes I guessed you were refering to the soul.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:35 pm

Lordo wrote:I am a bit harsher with my marking. Instead of saying get better soon he has actually said "Late- mish". What he should have written is "Gecmish olsun" or Gedjmish olsun. "Gech" means late or pass which is even worse.

Anyway thats enough of Turkish lesson for a day.


Wo, wo, you almost killed the man! :o
It doesn't mean pass it means past!! Did you really go to school??

Here's a google translation
https://translate.google.com/?sl=tr&tl= ... =translate

In English: get well soon
In Greek: ευχομαι γρηγορη ΑΝΑΡΡΩΣΗ or commonly "περαστικα-perastika"
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Re: Is there god

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:37 pm

There is a minor flaw in your argument with soul and choosing which journey to take. There must be a lot of soulles people on earth because the population has been increasing ever since time begun so there cannot be enough souls to go around unless the souls can multiply themselves and increase their numbers.

There are at least 3 generation of people before the elders begin to die. It just does not add up.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:48 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:I am a bit harsher with my marking. Instead of saying get better soon he has actually said "Late- mish". What he should have written is "Gecmish olsun" or Gedjmish olsun. "Gech" means late or pass which is even worse.

Anyway thats enough of Turkish lesson for a day.


Wo, wo, you almost killed the man! :o
It doesn't mean pass it means past!! Did you really go to school??

Here's a google translation
https://translate.google.com/?sl=tr&tl= ... =translate

In English: get well soon
In Greek: ευχομαι γρηγορη ΑΝΑΡΡΩΣΗ or commonly "περαστικα-perastika"


The way you typed it - Gech ( In Turkish Geç) sounds like the Ch in chair. So the meaning of Geç is several.
1. Pass as in you motion to a car to pass you.
2. Late - you would say Geç galding. - too late.

Your Gechmish should have been written as Gecmish olsun. Gecmiş olsun.

Of course I have been to school in Cyprus and I have an Ortaokul Diploma signed to prove it, which allowed me to go to school here in Harringety as GR called it. It was not easy getting into one of the North London schools. In fact it was impossible as I was not a citizen and nobody would adopt me to bypass the regulations.

So my father had no other choice but to send me to a private school for 3 years to do my GCEs and all that palarva. How unlucky can you get.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Kikapu » Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:57 pm

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Here’s the thing Pyro. What matters is how one accepts god into their lives or not. It is a personal acceptance or rejection of god. Trying to analyze all aspects of god only leads to more question to be asked where answers are very few in coming for those who are non believers and to the believers, ALL the answers are there in front of their eyes. It is a losing proposition to try and convince anyone that their side is the right answer. I personally do not live my life with god and nor do I reject god in my life. Many times in my life I have thanked god when I needed to thank god. Most of the time my life is not conscious of god being there in my life. I think god likes that, so not to be burdened with a lot of the things I can self manage. :wink:

I mostly agree with you Kiks. I am also convinced God does not interfere in any way in peoples lives.

Yes, you are correct that there is an ultimate cause for everything which some call it god and others call it “time”. Time has a beginning and an ending of everything and there is no escaping it. Without god/time, nothing would exist.

I am confused here. "Time" is a human attribute. As Einstein puts it time and space are modes by
which we think, and not conditions in which we live. Can you explain how "time" could have the same meaning to some people as the meaning of God to others?



Well, who am I to contradict Einstein. :wink:

Yes, I think Einstein is correct if we were talking about relativity of Space and Time, but then again, time must exist in space as the universe is evolving and devolving at different places and at different moments (time). Of course, without an observer, in theory time does not exist if I understand Einstein argument correctly, much like the question whether a falling tree in a forest makes a sound if there was no one there to hear it, but an observer or not, a falling tree does make a noise just as time must exist when a light continues to travel long after it’s sun has died or that the shifting of galaxies around each other in the universe which takes time. To get from here to there requires time. The only question of time is, how it is measured!

But anyway, my use of the word “time”and god has more to do with evolution/creationism than Einstein’s theory on relativity, which both required time all living things to be where we are today. Many choose one or the other to make their arguments, but for me, both god and evolution are instrumental for all living things to be in the past, the present and in the future.

Humans are very fallible creatures and and can shift their positions quickly as nothing remains the same with time. Long distant future humans may ALL agree only in creationism or evolution. It all depends how they would be convinced to do so. Who would have thought millions of brain dead Trump supporters would buy into his nonsensical arguments that the 2020 election was stolen from him. :wink:
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Re: Is there god

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:23 pm

Lordo wrote:There is a minor flaw in your argument with soul and choosing which journey to take. There must be a lot of soulles people on earth because the population has been increasing ever since time begun so there cannot be enough souls to go around unless the souls can multiply themselves and increase their numbers.

There are at least 3 generation of people before the elders begin to die. It just does not add up.


Where did I say entering a new living existence has to be on Earth??
Actually very few people living long enough on this planet, would need or want their souls to re-enter here. Probably only some who didn't have the chance to live long enough e.g. aborted babies, young children etc. Earth itself is populated from souls that came from other places in the Universe.

Don't forget there's also some leak to the spiritual level of existence from this planet alone. More from other places in the Universe.

God has the need to project itself as life or else it's own existence would be meaningless...
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Re: Is there god

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:26 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Well, who am I to contradict Einstein. :wink:

Yes, I think Einstein is correct if we were talking about relativity of Space and Time, but then again, time must exist in space as the universe is evolving and devolving at different places and at different moments (time). Of course, without an observer, in theory time does not exist if I understand Einstein argument correctly, much like the question whether a falling tree in a forest makes a sound if there was no one there to hear it, but an observer or not, a falling tree does make a noise just as time must exist when a light continues to travel long after it’s sun has died or that the shifting of galaxies around each other in the universe which takes time. To get from here to there requires time. The only question of time is, how it is measured!

But anyway, my use of the word “time”and god has more to do with evolution/creationism than Einstein’s theory on relativity, which both required time all living things to be where we are today. Many choose one or the other to make their arguments, but for me, both god and evolution are instrumental for all living things to be in the past, the present and in the future.

Humans are very fallible creatures and and can shift their positions quickly as nothing remains the same with time. Long distant future humans may ALL agree only in creationism or evolution. It all depends how they would be convinced to do so. Who would have thought millions of brain dead Trump supporters would buy into his nonsensical arguments that the 2020 election was stolen from him. :wink:


Ah ok I understood it now, thanks kiks.
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Re: Is there god

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:59 pm

Lordo wrote:Your Gechmish should have been written as Gecmish olsun. Gecmiş olsun.


No, your spelling is incorrect. You should use the 4rth letter of the Turkish aphabet, not the 3rd.
Just like we use the 4rth for the past tense, Gechmish zaman.
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