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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:41 am

Londonrake wrote:I admire your optimism Paphitis but find it difficult to join in.

I suspect this war will go on for a very long time. Possibly another year and perhaps more. In part because Putin really now has no other choice. His best option seems to be to go for attrition, in the hope the West grow fatigued and subsumed in their own domestic political problems.

I can't really see how either side can win. In a substantial sense.

Clearly, Putin's initial view that Russia could take Ukraine, fairly effortlessly and in a matter of days, has long gone. Conversely, I don't see how the Ukrainians can drive the Russian army out of all their territory.

Obviously, neither side are interested in negotiating the matter at the moment. The Chinese effort is a patent feint and it seems to me the forum will continue to be a platform for sharing various views/links between Russian supporters and - of course, during the breaks - attacking your posts. :lol:


Hi LR,

hope you are well. I think it is time for the most pessimistic to start feeling optimistic. I remember that I was among the most optimistic even before the war started. Even leaders of NATO countries and the POTUS back then believed Ukraine will last 7 to 10 days at best. The Ukrainians were written off. I always knew and believed the Ukrainians had fight in them, and that even if Kyiv fell, Ukrainians would have adopted more unconventional guerilla warfare tactics and that Ruzzia would not be able to counter such an insurgency. It would be a bloodbath lasting many years.

Now, all of NATO and the US have been proven wrong and all now believe Ukraine is winning the war and will win comprehensively.

Aid in all its forms has exceeded 70 Billion from the US. And Aid from the EU is around $55 billion. Then you have all the aid from Japan, South Korea and Australia and of course some other countries which is also quite substantial. Everyone is pitching in to help.

At the start of the war, Ruzzia claimed to have 11,000 Tanks. Well, now we have discovered that only about 6000 to 7000 were actually serviceable. Ukraine has destroyed over 3000 Tanks, and shot down 300 Ruzzian Aircraft and nearly 300 Helicopters. But let's look at the Tanks as a case point. Ruzzia only has 4000 Tanks now that are serviceable. It may be able to get an additional 3000 tanks serviceable if they cannibalize war damaged Tanks, but that is a very big if and optimistic.

Ukraine on the other hand, which was in a diabolical state when the war started, has more Tanks than the entire Ruzzian Military and many of them will be of much superior quality with the incoming Challengers, Abrams and Leopard Tanks.

The Ukrainian Military is now preparing major offensives somewhere along the front line. They have had a great deal of success in diverted Ruzzia's attention as well. Their last offensive caught Ruzzia completely ill prepared. The Ruzzians are attacking heaviliy fortified Ukrainian positions right now, like zombies. Ill-equipped soldiers with an UK, no body armour just trying to swarm the Ukrainians with shear numbers and without Mechanized support because they don't have a lot. They are being shot en-masse as they appear from the tree lines, and it is being described as attacks from drugged out and even drunk zombies. The Ruzzian soldiers know that this day is their last on planet earth apparently. But if they turn back and retreat, the belief is that they will be shot by their own.

In spring, you will see massive developments. Ukraine will be able to liberate a very large chunk of occupied territory. If they get within range of the Crimea Bridge and destroy it completely and cut of the Crimea Supply lines, it's pretty much game over. Once this happens, the penny should finally drop for Ruzzia. Support for this war is lowering in Ruzzia as well. Putlar organized a rally in a stadium and the crowd was pretty much a rent a crowd from the Ruzzian Public Service. They were handed out flags to wave. Even before the show finished, thousands of them were leaving and thousands of Ruzzian Flags were thrown away in trash cans. They were forced to attend in order to keep their jobs.

My prediction is that the war will end by this time next year. And it will only end if Ukraine liberate Crimea. If Crimea is not liberated by then, then the war will go on. This is Ukraine;s opportunity now and it will not let this opportunity be missed.

Not only that but there will be developments in Moldova. This is also Moldova's opportunity to de-occupy its lands. So expect a Moldovan Invasion of the occupied lands. Also expect an invasion from Ukraine into Moldova at some point towards the end of the war to assist Moldova against the small Ruzzian garrison there. This will be a 7 to 10 day operation for real.

Everyone is over the moon with the progress Ukraine has made so far. And there will be substantially more progress this year. I believe Putlar's days are numbered actually.

The west is now firmly entrenched and engaged in support of Ukraine. There is really only one way this war can end and for Europe to feel secure in the future. That will only occur with Ukraine's defeat of Ruzzia. And the support Ukraine is getting has been quite superb. And it will only ramp up with the supply of modern fighters to Ukraine - Probably F-16s. Ruzzia is in its last ditch attempt right now and they are being demolished and killed like no tomorrow.

Ruzzia's war doctrine was just link the VC in Vietnam. Swarm enemy positions akin to WW1 trench warfare where wave after wave of attacks are sent to their ugly demise.

Time to be optimistic LR.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:50 am

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:I admire your optimism Paphitis but find it difficult to join in.:


Unlike Paphitis, most of us here are very rational observers as to which way the war in Ukraine will end. The decisive victory/peace settlement will be given to Russia, because without a Russian victory, the proxy with NATO will never end, which may even lead to WWIII to which everyone loses. However, if and when NATO loses their proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, their ego will be bruised but avoided WWIII, benefit for all. You are correct, that Russia will go for attrition because they are not given any other choice by the collective West if they want to protect their Federation.

I don’t think Paphitis’ posts are attacked by others, but more like they are being ridiculed instead, just like when I say for him to lay off the “Happy Meals” from McDonalds! :wink:

We seem to be living in an upside down world at the moment with the war in Ukraine where the collective West is supporting a Nazi condoning Ukraine, the same Nazis where millions died fighting against in WWII, including Russians, so it is true, that the enemy of my enemy, is my friend! :shock:


Yes but I ridicule you too when I tell you to stay off the copium. :wink:

You are not a rational observer Kikapu. No rational observer has your stance at all. Because if Ukraine win, all of Europe are in danger. So many countries like Moldova, Poland, latvia, Finland, Lithuania and more can expect this WW3 within the next 5 years.

NATO is a bastion for freedom and justice and is a security alliance of European (predominately EU countries) with US and Canada as well. This is what NATO was created to defend against. NATO will never end because of countries like Ruzzia and because of their aggression against peaceful nations and the threat this poses to other countries as well. NATO is a literal God send and everyone wants to be a part of it.

And it goes beyond Europe too as Japan, Australia, NZ, Singapore and South Korea are firmly a part of NATO through other similar security pacts like NATO. We are all one Kikapu, with Europe, and with the US and Canada. We are one. And we are on the right side of history. Ruzzia isn't.

Ruzzia started this and now they will pay the price. This war will not end until all objectives with regard to the liberation of Ukraine are achieved. But it is likely to go further than that now. There may be additional objectives now with regard to the total collapse of The Ruzzian Federation, the demise of Putlar and seeing him in The Hague with all his henchmen, and the carving up of Ruzzia itself. I think the west would be crazy to let this opportunity be missed.

I have proven all of you wrong throughout. I was te only person waving the Ukrainian Flag, perhaps with RW, and LR as well (the latter 2 being pessimists though) and this year will be the year you will see the final catastrophic undoing of the Ruzzian Occupation and much more as I believe we will be witnessing massive developments, insurgencies and even Coups inside Ruzzia.

And another war in Moldova as well. But this one will be instigated by Moldova and Ukraine.

If Putlar could only rewind the clock. It's too late now.

I predicted Ukraine could win this war before the invasion started, Then I went into a pessimistic phase around the time Ruzzian Forces were on the outskirts of Kyiv. Yes I was worried. But by the 2nd of March till now, I was confident when the Ukrainians demolished the Ruzzian Paratroopers and Spetsnaz forcing Ruzzia to withdraw and be defeated. Since then, everything has been more or less in Ukrainians favour. Since September last year, Ruzzia has been losing every battle along the Eastern Front. It's surely time to get off the Copium and wake up to smell the coffee.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:17 am



...by the General Assembly (not legally binding); (to keep our record straight).

...watered down from Ukraine's demands it still demonstrates that the world resolves against the Russian invasion.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:33 am

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:I admire your optimism Paphitis but find it difficult to join in.:


Unlike Paphitis, most of us here are very rational observers as to which way the war in Ukraine will end. The decisive victory/peace settlement will be given to Russia, because without a Russian victory, the proxy with NATO will never end, which may even lead to WWIII to which everyone loses. However, if and when NATO loses their proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, their ego will be bruised but avoided WWIII, benefit for all. You are correct, that Russia will go for attrition because they are not given any other choice by the collective West if they want to protect their Federation.

I don’t think Paphitis’ posts are attacked by others, but more like they are being ridiculed instead, just like when I say for him to lay off the “Happy Meals” from McDonalds! :wink:

We seem to be living in an upside down world at the moment with the war in Ukraine where the collective West is supporting a Nazi condoning Ukraine, the same Nazis where millions died fighting against in WWII, including Russians, so it is true, that the enemy of my enemy, is my friend! :shock:


Yes but I ridicule you too when I tell you to stay off the copium. :wink:

You are not a rational observer Kikapu. No rational observer has your stance at all. Because if Ukraine win, all of Europe are in danger. So many countries like Moldova, Poland, latvia, Finland, Lithuania and more can expect this WW3 within the next 5 years.
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This is what it’s meant by Freudian slip, no? :wink:

Yes Paphitis, deep down you know what the score is in Ukraine and how this war will end.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year was meant to be a limited operation to get Kyiv to the negotiating table and it worked, but the USA was against any settlement agreement, hence the continuation of the war. It was unthinkable that Russia was going to take all of Ukraine, a very large country with a total of 200,000 troops. This was never Russia’s intention, but the West has used it as a failure by zRussia as being incompetent. Russia has paid a high price for that mistake by approaching Ukraine with “ kid glove” because the double cross by NATO on the 2014 Minsk agreements. So now, Russia has re mobilized to fight NATO directly in Ukraine. The real war in Ukraine has not started yet. When it does, it is going to get very messy but Russia has no other choice than to go “all in”. NATO has no willpower or the ability to go “all in” also, which means Ukraine will be left to defend/capitulate itself.

The $billion$ so called defensive alliance (not) NATO has given to Ukraine in weapons is a fraction what was spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, which the price tag was around $1-2 Trillion$ which most of that money stayed in the US to support it’s own Military Complex Companies, but in the end, NATO withdrew from these countries with it’s tail between it’s legs and the same will be in Ukraine. If NATO was a defensive alliance, why is it sending weapons to Ukraine along with personal to help Ukraine prolong this war? Russia did not attack a NATO member, so why is NATO helping NAZI supporting Zelensky against Russia? Actually, this is a rhetorical question.

So, we know that NATO is not a defensive alliance by any imagination, but a gang of agitators creating insecurities for Russia by pushing itself on to Russian borders every chance it gets. Well, this time Russia is pushing back just as JFK did with the Cuban crisis, and if the push starts becoming a shove, then we will have WWIII where everyone will lose. Will NATO be stupid enough to get into a shoving match with Russia as it stands to lose the most, no, I don’t think it is stupid enough to see the West be destroyed, hence the decisive victory in Ukraine going to Russia. The West knows this and are hoping for a peace settlement, but Russia will now only agree for a peace settlement under it‘s own terms and no longer trust the West for Minsk 3.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:46 am

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:You are not a rational observer Kikapu. No rational observer has your stance at all. Because if Ukraine win, all of Europe are in danger. So many countries like Moldova, Poland, latvia, Finland, Lithuania and more can expect this WW3 within the next 5 years.
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This is what it’s meant by Freudian slip, no? :wink:

Yes Paphitis, deep down you know what the score is in Ukraine and how this war will end.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year was meant to be a limited operation to get Kyiv to the negotiating table and it worked, but the USA was against any settlement agreement, hence the continuation of the war. It was unthinkable that Russia was going to take all of Ukraine, a very large country with a total of 200,000 troops. This was never Russia’s intention, but the West has used it as a failure by zRussia as being incompetent. Russia has paid a high price for that mistake by approaching Ukraine with “ kid glove” because the double cross by NATO on the 2014 Minsk agreements. So now, Russia has re mobilized to fight NATO directly in Ukraine. The real war in Ukraine has not started yet. When it does, it is going to get very messy but Russia has no other choice than to go “all in”. NATO has no willpower or the ability to go “all in” also, which means Ukraine will be left to defend/capitulate itself.

The $billion$ so called defensive alliance (not) NATO has given to Ukraine in weapons is a fraction what was spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, which the price tag was around $1-2 Trillion$ which most of that money stayed in the US to support it’s own Military Complex Companies, but in the end, NATO withdrew from these countries with it’s tail between it’s legs and the same will be in Ukraine. If NATO was a defensive alliance, why is it sending weapons to Ukraine along with personal to help Ukraine prolong this war? Russia did not attack a NATO member, so why is NATO helping NAZI supporting Zelensky against Russia? Actually, this is a rhetorical question.

So, we know that NATO is not a defensive alliance by any imagination, but a gang of agitators creating insecurities for Russia by pushing itself on to Russian borders every chance it gets. Well, this time Russia is pushing back just as JFK did with the Cuban crisis, and if the push starts becoming a shove, then we will have WWIII where everyone will lose. Will NATO be stupid enough to get into a shoving match with Russia as it stands to lose the most, no, I don’t think it is stupid enough to see the West be destroyed, hence the decisive victory in Ukraine going to Russia. The West knows this and are hoping for a peace settlement, but Russia will now only agree for a peace settlement under it‘s own terms and no longer trust the West for Minsk 3.

An excellent response and I agree completely with your observations. It is a pity there are not more posters with the same calm and logical approach to this war ..... and especially the reasons behind it.

LR if you were to spend less time criticising others and more time expressing your opinions on 'THE WAR' and the realities of it, maybe the forum would be more interesting.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:36 pm

Robin Hood wrote:LR if you were to spend less time criticising others and more time expressing your opinions on 'THE WAR' and the realities of it, maybe the forum would be more interesting.


I thought I’d done just that. :?

Although “views” (a fundamental of any chat forum) are it seems verboten - unless they’re the “right” ones of course - mine is, barring some extraordinary happenstance(s), this conflict will likely go on for a considerable time. Who has that element on their side is subjective. During which this thread will primarily be a platform for like-minded supporters of Russia to exchange items and pat each other on the back. As you’ve just demonstrated. The only exception being Paphitis’s occasional interjections. Which are used as a handy foil. Let’s be honest, you guys know what it’s all about and have little to zero interest in any contrary opinions. :wink:

As far as Mr Lordo’s concerned. The man has run a 20 month, 700 post (almost all his) thread dedicated in a large part to a racist denigration of my country and its people. Whilst I’m not a flag waving, Rule Britannia singer there comes a point where enough’s enough. Moreover, in that he posts passionately in defence of protecting ordinary people and punishing - lethally - those he perceives as their oppressors. Then he pops across to this thread to sycophantically support a bloody conflict which has brought the largest death and destruction in Europe for 75 years. Perhaps you’ll forgive and, who knows even understand, my reserving the right to react? If not you always have the option to ignore of course. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:58 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:You are not a rational observer Kikapu. No rational observer has your stance at all. Because if Ukraine win, all of Europe are in danger. So many countries like Moldova, Poland, latvia, Finland, Lithuania and more can expect this WW3 within the next 5 years.
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This is what it’s meant by Freudian slip, no? :wink:

Yes Paphitis, deep down you know what the score is in Ukraine and how this war will end.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year was meant to be a limited operation to get Kyiv to the negotiating table and it worked, but the USA was against any settlement agreement, hence the continuation of the war. It was unthinkable that Russia was going to take all of Ukraine, a very large country with a total of 200,000 troops. This was never Russia’s intention, but the West has used it as a failure by zRussia as being incompetent. Russia has paid a high price for that mistake by approaching Ukraine with “ kid glove” because the double cross by NATO on the 2014 Minsk agreements. So now, Russia has re mobilized to fight NATO directly in Ukraine. The real war in Ukraine has not started yet. When it does, it is going to get very messy but Russia has no other choice than to go “all in”. NATO has no willpower or the ability to go “all in” also, which means Ukraine will be left to defend/capitulate itself.

The $billion$ so called defensive alliance (not) NATO has given to Ukraine in weapons is a fraction what was spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, which the price tag was around $1-2 Trillion$ which most of that money stayed in the US to support it’s own Military Complex Companies, but in the end, NATO withdrew from these countries with it’s tail between it’s legs and the same will be in Ukraine. If NATO was a defensive alliance, why is it sending weapons to Ukraine along with personal to help Ukraine prolong this war? Russia did not attack a NATO member, so why is NATO helping NAZI supporting Zelensky against Russia? Actually, this is a rhetorical question.

So, we know that NATO is not a defensive alliance by any imagination, but a gang of agitators creating insecurities for Russia by pushing itself on to Russian borders every chance it gets. Well, this time Russia is pushing back just as JFK did with the Cuban crisis, and if the push starts becoming a shove, then we will have WWIII where everyone will lose. Will NATO be stupid enough to get into a shoving match with Russia as it stands to lose the most, no, I don’t think it is stupid enough to see the West be destroyed, hence the decisive victory in Ukraine going to Russia. The West knows this and are hoping for a peace settlement, but Russia will now only agree for a peace settlement under it‘s own terms and no longer trust the West for Minsk 3.

An excellent response and I agree completely with your observations. It is a pity there are not more posters with the same calm and logical approach to this war ..... and especially the reasons behind it.

LR if you were to spend less time criticising others and more time expressing your opinions on 'THE WAR' and the realities of it, maybe the forum would be more interesting.


99% of LR's contribution is about persona analyses.
All of Paphitis's contribution comes from the fantasy world.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:12 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:LR if you were to spend less time criticising others and more time expressing your opinions on 'THE WAR' and the realities of it, maybe the forum would be more interesting.


I thought I’d done just that. :?

Although “views” (a fundamental of any chat forum) are it seems verboten - unless they’re the “right” ones of course - mine is, barring some extraordinary happenstance(s), this conflict will likely go on for a considerable time. Who has that element on their side is subjective. During which this thread will primarily be a platform for like-minded supporters of Russia to exchange items and pat each other on the back. As you’ve just demonstrated. The only exception being Paphitis’s occasional interjections. Which are used as a handy foil. Let’s be honest, you guys know what it’s all about and have little to zero interest in any contrary opinions. :wink:

As far as Mr Lordo’s concerned. The man has run a 20 month, 700 post (almost all his) thread dedicated in a large part to a racist denigration of my country and its people. Whilst I’m not a flag waving, Rule Britannia singer there comes a point where enough’s enough. Moreover, in that he posts passionately in defence of protecting ordinary people and punishing - lethally - those he perceives as their oppressors. Then he pops across to this thread to sycophantically support a bloody conflict which has brought the largest death and destruction in Europe for 75 years. Perhaps you’ll forgive and, who knows even understand, my reserving the right to react? If not you always have the option to ignore of course. :wink:


That's the fun of a forum. You hear strong, interesting, irritating, thought provoking views or information. You (in plural) form an opinion about every poster. It's nice! Over time you train yourself to skip content... and much more.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:29 pm

The other day somebody posted something here and instead of commenting, LR called out to Bafidi. I mean what an individual to call upon for any circumstances.

That's just about it with him.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:58 pm

And then he accuses others of back patting without himself looking in the mirror. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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