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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:45 pm

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Robin Hood wrote:LR if you were to spend less time criticising others and more time expressing your opinions on 'THE WAR' and the realities of it, maybe the forum would be more interesting.


I thought I’d done just that. :?

Although “views” (a fundamental of any chat forum) are it seems verboten - unless they’re the “right” ones of course - mine is, barring some extraordinary happenstance(s), this conflict will likely go on for a considerable time. Who has that element on their side is subjective. During which this thread will primarily be a platform for like-minded supporters of Russia to exchange items and pat each other on the back. As you’ve just demonstrated. The only exception being Paphitis’s occasional interjections. Which are used as a handy foil. Let’s be honest, you guys know what it’s all about and have little to zero interest in any contrary opinions. :wink:

As far as Mr Lordo’s concerned. The man has run a 20 month, 700 post (almost all his) thread dedicated in a large part to a racist denigration of my country and its people. Whilst I’m not a flag waving, Rule Britannia singer there comes a point where enough’s enough. Moreover, in that he posts passionately in defence of protecting ordinary people and punishing - lethally - those he perceives as their oppressors. Then he pops across to this thread to sycophantically support a bloody conflict which has brought the largest death and destruction in Europe for 75 years. Perhaps you’ll forgive and, who knows even understand, my reserving the right to react? If not you always have the option to ignore of course. :wink:

What? Who started this thread you blithering idiot?
Am I not allowed to comment on my own thread now?
I a till maintain you do not understand English. My attack is not about UK, it is about the establishment that run the UK government no matter who comes to power. We may change the government but the policies do bot change and one Chinese man said.

You don't like what I post, fuckin stop reading them, unless you have evidence to counter a single thing I post which is wrong, be my guest. This is the reason why I main post stuff from the Bullshit media which means you cannot accuse me of posting things from leftist media as propaganda.

Lets face it you cannot put an argument together to debate anything. All you do is bitch about my posts and me. You know nothing about me. Look back how much I disagreed with the people you mention here that I am supposedly following. I have been here for over 11 years, like fuck I do and you are stupid for even thinking it never mind expressing it.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:15 pm

Paphitis ......... can you please refrain from posting multiple previous posts when they have no relevance? Do what I do ....... use your brain and post just that you are commenting on!

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Yes sure - just in time for their good will gesture, which in reality was a rout and retreat in defeat. What a coincidence. They tried to take Kyiv but failed and had to explain it someway.

Since the early days of this conflict it has been obvious that Russia is not fighting a NATO type blitzkrieg campaign ...... but the MSM and all these ‘media military experts' base their opinions and comments on the only wars they know! Their so called ‘peace keeping’ operations to enforce the ‘defence’ of their ideas of democracy, just where they see fit i.e. Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc.

These Western/NATO experts are so far up their own asses they have yet to work out Russia is fighting a very different war that they do not understand. Something the West sees as a failure because they are making comparisons with the NATO battle plan.

Russia never intended to take Kiev or any of the other cities they threatened with just their mere presence in the North. There was virtually no air attacks or carpet bombing of the targets .... as per a NATO operation and that 40km column of tanks and APC’s only ever fired when they were fired upon by Ukraine military. In towns and villages where they met no resistance ...... they handed out food and medicine and other household requirements. This applied to Kharkiv, Summi and others. In each they held hundreds of thousand’s of the Ukraine military, tied down protecting places that were not really under any great threat.

Take Kyiv! The Russian invaders were travelling at a slow pace only fighting mainly minor skirmishes. Anyone with a brain, unless it had been brain washed by propaganda,...... would realise you do not set out to conquer a country or even its capital city ........ with just 30,000 troops and attempt to take Kyiv with convoy’s of old trucks and WWII armour!

The Western military experts paranoia kept 160,000 trained and well armed Ukraine military ‘protecting’ Kyiv alone. 160,000 troops and equipment that would otherwise be rushing south to protect Russia’s intended targets ...... selected Eastern and Southern oblasts, where they met no or little resistanc. They managed that in a few days and established the Southern bridge between Russia and the Crimea. They put the brakes on after they enthusiastically overshot in Kherson and ended up in a position that was hard to defend. They later rectified this and pulled back to a more secure defence line ..... and haven’t move much since.

When these incursions had served their purpose and the land bridge was established, they announced their withdrawal and they did this within a few days.

Once he was sure the Russians were leaving Zelenskey played to an audience of people like you and claimed full credit for his glorious forces heroism in “driving out the Russian invaders” who of course were in a panic and running for their lives. And you and millions of the brain washed masses believed that fairy story without question! :D

As Ukraine’s forces occupied the villages and towns vacated by the Russian forces, they shelled every village and town, just in case the Russians were still hiding there, Then they set about seeking out and punishing the ‘Russian collaborators' ....... and that was anyone who had Russian food or medicines or caught wearing the white identity arm bands or the victim of accusations from hostile neighbor. Bucha was the first larger town the Ukrainian Ultra Nationalist thugs entered and the results of their battalions cleansing exercise was clear to see, So they blamed the Russians with their PR campaign and their own investigation into the event. Nobody in the West ever questioned why the Russians would kill civilians they had been supplying with help for a few weeks. The Russians had no cause or reason to murder civilians .......but the Ukraine Ultra Nationalist did!
Since when has anything coming from Ruzzia been sincere or true. The whole war is under a false pretense of fighting Nazism for heaven sake, and they said they wanted to scale down and give "goodwill gestures"? and in the same breath absolutely raise Mariupol to the ground among many other cities and towns...

It is the US/UK/EU/NATO that cannot be believed or trusted.
Unfortunately, there were no meetings with Ukraine or its officials. There were only talks through third parties such as through Erdogan and Turkey behind the scenes and some other western countries like France. None had the power to agree to anything and Ukraine was never a party to it. Nor did any agreements be reached.

The West lied to and mislead Russia for over eight years over the Minsk accord and Minsk II. Merkle blew it and confessed the West had no intension of everdriving for a peaceful settlement ...... they used the lull in action on the Minsk LoC to rearm the Nationalists!
And the US never applied any pressure to negate any potential agreements and even had behind the scenes talks with Ruzzia with nothing to come of it.

No of course they didn’t they just worked behind the scenes with the Ultra Nationalist government that THEY installed and gradually built up a large proxy force armed and trained by the US and its partners! Until 24/2/22 Russia had no serious involvement in Ukraine and that is something that cannot be said for the US and all its poodles. :x
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:16 am

And now this. Can you believe it?

Who was it that claimed average American is not stupid.

Ukraine war: Viral conspiracy theories falsely claim the war is fake



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64789737
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:53 am

2000 miles from Moscow,



..."they just don't care."
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:36 pm

Why should they?

It is us that are paying the financial price of the western policies. This war need not have happened. All Ukraine had to do is stay neutral and listen to the Russian speakers in the east instead of sending the tanks in.

One day Zalizmenos will also get a fair trial.............
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:39 pm

Don't blame Zelenskyy, he is not "Ukrainian" winning an election against them; he fights for the very thing you want most: Freedom, without further distinction or discrimination to be respected and recognised as an Individual first.

Ukrainians are like Cypriots, they exist and they are not few, despite the "Russians" and "Ukrainians", "Greeks" and "Turks" who would have you believe differently.

...if you choose against evil, Lordo, beware whose "side" you are choosing. Are you against a Ukraine that is united against "Them" because they place Basic Human Rights above their own distinct identities as Persons?

...or as in Cyprus, will it be divided, (by "Them"), left divided until the next melee; their children taught to hate one another?

What is the Problem is the problem.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:44 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:2000 miles from Moscow,



..."they just don't care."


Don't care? Who knows? They are all clearly very guarded with their comments. So, what validity do you give them?

Whatever your position/POV I think there's something all can agree upon though. Quite a rarity that. Vladimir Putin is certainly making history.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:07 pm

Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:LR if you were to spend less time criticising others and more time expressing your opinions on 'THE WAR' and the realities of it, maybe the forum would be more interesting.


I thought I’d done just that. :?

Although “views” (a fundamental of any chat forum) are it seems verboten - unless they’re the “right” ones of course - mine is, barring some extraordinary happenstance(s), this conflict will likely go on for a considerable time. Who has that element on their side is subjective. During which this thread will primarily be a platform for like-minded supporters of Russia to exchange items and pat each other on the back. As you’ve just demonstrated. The only exception being Paphitis’s occasional interjections. Which are used as a handy foil. Let’s be honest, you guys know what it’s all about and have little to zero interest in any contrary opinions. :wink:

As far as Mr Lordo’s concerned. The man has run a 20 month, 700 post (almost all his) thread dedicated in a large part to a racist denigration of my country and its people. Whilst I’m not a flag waving, Rule Britannia singer there comes a point where enough’s enough. Moreover, in that he posts passionately in defence of protecting ordinary people and punishing - lethally - those he perceives as their oppressors. Then he pops across to this thread to sycophantically support a bloody conflict which has brought the largest death and destruction in Europe for 75 years. Perhaps you’ll forgive and, who knows even understand, my reserving the right to react? If not you always have the option to ignore of course. :wink:

What? Who started this thread you blithering idiot?
Am I not allowed to comment on my own thread now?
I a till maintain you do not understand English. My attack is not about UK, it is about the establishment that run the UK government no matter who comes to power. We may change the government but the policies do bot change and one Chinese man said.

You don't like what I post, fuckin stop reading them, unless you have evidence to counter a single thing I post which is wrong, be my guest. This is the reason why I main post stuff from the Bullshit media which means you cannot accuse me of posting things from leftist media as propaganda.

Lets face it you cannot put an argument together to debate anything. All you do is bitch about my posts and me. You know nothing about me. Look back how much I disagreed with the people you mention here that I am supposedly following. I have been here for over 11 years, like fuck I do and you are stupid for even thinking it never mind expressing it.


I've taken this off to La La Land, where it really belongs. Rather than see it turn it into a smaller version of GR's endless - and disgraceful IMHO - campaign of slurs against Milti's Mother.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:51 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:Don't blame Zelenskyy, he is not "Ukrainian" winning an election against them; he fights for the very thing you want most: Freedom, without further distinction or discrimination to be respected and recognised as an Individual first.

Ukrainians are like Cypriots, they exist and they are not few, despite the "Russians" and "Ukrainians", "Greeks" and "Turks" who would have you believe differently.

...if you choose against evil, Lordo, beware whose "side" you are choosing. Are you against a Ukraine that is united against "Them" because they place Basic Human Rights above their own distinct identities as Persons?

...or as in Cyprus, will it be divided, (by "Them"), left divided until the next melee; their children taught to hate one another?

What is the Problem is the problem.

Come on RW, who has freedom today? Do the Ukranians under Zalizmenos have freedom? ask the Russian speakers how much freedom they have under Zelensky?

Do Mexicans or Cubans have the freedom to allow Russian nukes on their soil.

We live in the real world where it is divided between the super powers and we do as they say. Those who step out of line get wacked, not for what they do but for getting out of line. Saddam and Gadaffi come to mind.
How many times did the Yanks try to kill Castro?
How many people did the deep state organisations the Yanks set up kill in Europe to stop Socialists coming to power
How many coups have taken place under American control?
Was Cyprus not divided to suit American policy? You forget they wanted Cyprus to be under the control of Nato and that is exactly what they got. Were we asked about how we feel about it?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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