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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:22 pm

Asking people in the street is not giving the picture. Of course privately people can speak what ever language they know but.....

Facts are facts.

Language policy in Ukraine is based on its Constitution, international treaties and on domestic legislation. According to article 10 of the Constitution, Ukrainian is the official language of Ukraine, and the state shall ensure the comprehensive development and functioning of the Ukrainian language in all spheres of social life throughout the entire territory of the country. Other languages spoken in Ukraine are granted constitutional protection, and Russian is recognized as the language of a national minority.

The 2012 law On the principles of the State language policy granted regional language status to Russian and other minority languages. It allowed the use of minority languages in courts, schools and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine where the national minorities exceed 10% of the population. The 2012 law was supported by the governing Party of Regions and opposed by the opposition parties, who argued that the law undermined the role of the Ukrainian language, violated Article 10 of the Constitution, and was adopted with an irregular procedure. Immediately after the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, on 23 February 2014, the Ukrainian Parliament voted to repeal the law. This decision was vetoed by the acting President Turchynov. In October 2014, the Constitutional Court started reviewing the constitutionality of the 2012 law and declared it unconstitutional on 28 February 2018.

In April 2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted a new law, the law "On supporting the functioning of the Ukrainian language as the State language". The law made the use of Ukrainian compulsory (totally or within quotas) in more than 30 spheres of public life, including public administration, electoral process, education, science, culture, media, economic and social life, health and care institutions, and activities of political parties. The law did not regulate private communication. Some exemptions were provided for the official languages of the European Union and for minority languages, with the exclusion of Russian, Belarusian and Yiddish. The Venice Commission and Human Rights Watch expressed concern about the 2019 law's failure to protect the language rights of Ukrainian minorities.

Following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, on 19 June the Ukrainian parliament passed two laws which placed restrictions on Russian books and music. The new laws ban Russian citizens from printing books unless they take Ukrainian citizenship, prohibit the import of books printed in Russia, Belarus and the occupied Ukrainian territories, and prohibit the reproduction in the media and public transport of music performed or created by post-1991 Russian citizens, unless the musicians are included in a "white list" of artists who have publicly condemned Russian aggression against Ukraine.

Does this sound normal in any democratic meaning?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:04 pm

Lordo wrote:Asking people in the street is not giving the picture.


I decided to stop watching those "street polls" because during the last one, and after the presenter showed us 6 anti-Putin responders, he told the 7th one who was also anti-Putin that he has already questioned 10 people and he was THE FIRST anti-Putin he came across!! So where are those previous 10 ???
Conclusion: These street polls are filtered to shape a false narrative.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:07 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:Asking people in the street is not giving the picture.


I decided to stop watching those "street polls" because during the last one, and after the presenter showed us 6 anti-Putin responders, he told the 7th one who was also anti-Putin that he has already questioned 10 people and he was THE FIRST anti-Putin he came across!! So where are those previous 10 ???
Conclusion: These street polls are filtered to shape a false narrative.

Yep, absolutely. So in Ukraine now if you are a Russian citizen you cannot print a book. It does not even specify in which language. They live in the dark ages.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Mar 03, 2023 7:06 pm

...you can see a lot of things from these interviews. What is most striking to me are the people who lie, and those who are afraid to express themselves because the consequences of jail or worse actually exist.

Generally i feel they are a credible effort; someone "Russian" should be doing the same thing: it would be interesting to compare them, having seen both would the viewer form a different conclusion?

...thanks for the History. Indeed for history to be repeated the "Ukrainians" and/or the "Russians" must win, wot?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 03, 2023 7:07 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:Asking people in the street is not giving the picture.


I decided to stop watching those "street polls" because during the last one, and after the presenter showed us 6 anti-Putin responders, he told the 7th one who was also anti-Putin that he has already questioned 10 people and he was THE FIRST anti-Putin he came across!! So where are those previous 10 ???
Conclusion: These street polls are filtered to shape a false narrative.

Yep, absolutely. So in Ukraine now if you are a Russian citizen you cannot print a book. It does not even specify in which language. They live in the dark ages.


In a country that ZelenSKY's himself was a Russian speaker before he became President.....
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Mar 03, 2023 7:34 pm

...if it were not for Zelenskyy, the Ukraine would have been divided as planned, or worse had Putin captured Kyiv.

Indeed that would have bested the "Turks", his "Cyprus solution" going beyond the certain expectations.

...Canada comes to mind, in Quebec its Language turmoil; here too extremists wish to reach even inside people's homes: (this is the Problem).
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:15 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...if it were not for Zelenskyy, the Ukraine would have been divided as planned, or worse had Putin captured Kyiv.

Indeed that would have bested the "Turks", his "Cyprus solution" going beyond the certain expectations.

...Canada comes to mind, in Quebec its Language turmoil; here too extremists wish to reach even inside people's homes: (this is the Problem).

Its a bit like saying if it wasn't for Churchill we would not have won the war. Far from it. It was the likes of Churchill back before the WW1 that refused access to German Industry to export into the British Empire that started the war and that itself led to WW2.

If Zelensky had done as he promised before the election when he was saying he will not ask to join Nato the war would not have started.

The bastard has done nothing, it is Nato that is fighting this proxy war which is what they are good at. Let others get killed for their economic interests.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:30 pm

According to this video reporting from Ukraine (8 minute mark), Bakhmout has fallen today into the Russians hands. The western media has yet to report on this. They will most probably use the weekend to keep quiet. :wink:

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:00 pm

A few of the broadsheet were reporting Wagner's claim to have nearly completed encirclement, plus ongoing fighting near the centre, and that the Ukrainian's were blowing up bridges in apparent preparation for withdrawal this morning.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:02 pm

The fall of Bakhmout.
Many videos here, most with English subs.
https://warnews247.gr/chaotiki-ypochori ... ovismenoi/
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