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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:05 am

Londonrake wrote:AI's used a lot these days. There's no shortage of Putin expressing deep regrets nor Obama explaining his sympathy for................................. fill in the blank. Except, sadly, a lot of that's true.

Nevertheless, Russia's "Storm-Z" penal units are a fact. As is Macgregor and Ritter's penchant for money-spinning BS. There are umpteen link references, if you have an interest - which I doubt.

But you didn't realize it was an AI image until it was hinted at by me and LORDO! Then you knew it all along! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:54 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Londonrake wrote:AI's used a lot these days. There's no shortage of Putin expressing deep regrets nor Obama explaining his sympathy for................................. fill in the blank. Except, sadly, a lot of that's true.

Nevertheless, Russia's "Storm-Z" penal units are a fact. As is Macgregor and Ritter's penchant for money-spinning BS. There are umpteen link references, if you have an interest - which I doubt.

But you didn't realize it was an AI image until it was hinted at by me and LORDO! Then you knew it all along! :lol: :lol: :lol:


LR though the below quote was meant for him (it wasn’t) and he had responded as such with reference to “sour grapes”, then went on...................., therefore, he did not know it was AI. :wink:

It just highlights how some can be gullible to believe anything, even for smart people, to support their position with such AI tricks. :wink:


(What will the sour grapes sore losers will think of next? :D)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:55 am

by Londonrake » Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:51 pm

Londonrake: March 2014. Russian troops move into Crimea and annex it. This is met with much popular acclaim in Russia. The West largely ignore it.

Robin Hood replied: In your version maybe but in the real world: There were 18.000 Russian military personnel in Crimea in 2014 out of the 25.000 allowed for in the Treaty made with the elected Government of Ukraine ...... so they did not ‘move in’ (invade?) they were already there and legally !

LR:That's absurd. Crimea was part of Ukraine.


As advised before ........Crimea was an autonomous self governing region of Ukraine. After being threatened by the US installed anti Russian Government of Yatzenuk in Kyiv, the Crimean government decided on a referendum for independence from Ukraine. An 80%+ turnout voted over 95% to succeed from Ukraine. The Russians then left their barracks and occupied most of the military installations, including airfields, to prevent reinforcement of the Ukraine forces from slaughtering protestors (It worked very well!)

As I have already tried to explain to you ...... Kyiv upped the threat level and mobilised! So the Crimean government had another referendum to join the Russian Federation of States. By a vast majority, again 95%+, THE CRIMEAN PEOPLE en mass voted for the proposal. They applied the UN Right to Self Determination.

UN Right to Self Determination:

“The right of a people to self-determination is a cardinal principle in modern international law, binding, as such, on the United Nations as authoritative interpretation of the Charter's norms. It states that peoples, based on respect for the principle of equal rights and fair equality of opportunity, have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no interference. The concept was first expressed in the 1860s, and spread rapidly thereafter. During and after World War I, the principle was encouraged by both Soviet Premier Vladimir Lenin and United States President Woodrow Wilson. Having announced his Fourteen Points on 8 January 1918, on 11 February 1918 Wilson stated: "National aspirations must be respected; people may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. 'Self determination' is not a mere phrase; it is an imperative principle of action."


In Feb 2014 Russia invaded and seized it, declaring it part of the Motherland.

No they didn’t you are lying again! The people of Crimea made that decision, not Putin, the Duma approved their application and as a member of a sort of Russian ‘NATO’, an attack on Crimea would be taken as an attack on Russia. Ukraine heeded the advice1 :roll:
Are you arguing that Ukraine donated it? Or, that the presence of Russian forces, as part of a mutual agreement, meant it was OK to seize the Crimea?

Not at all as you are well aware but the old obfuscation kicks in when you are cornered!
If you have a problem you can easily "research" it, and you will find that both Putin and Shoigu later admitted that the "little green men" were sent in to seize the place.

I think you will find they went in to help SECURE the peninsular as per the wishes of the people, I suggest you read YOUR link again ........ the link says nothing of the sort! Another lie? :roll:
I know how you love links. Although, whilst you expect others to accept them, from any of your "independent" sites you invariably reject them when they disagree with your views:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_o ... remists%22.


So you chose the “Russian Occupation of Crimea to do your research”? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Were your ridiculous interpretation true then it would surely be the case that if British troops were to pour out of the SBAs and seize Cyprus it couldn't of course be an invasion. They were already there.

More obfuscation to divert the discussion! How about ......If an extreme right wing government in Nicosia brought into power by Russia were to threaten let’s say Episkopi SBA ....... the British Forces would just pack their bags and leave ...... just because this new Russian backed government decided Episkopi SBA was part of Cyprus? Yeah ..... of course they would! :roll:

Robin Hood wrote: A US instigated coup in Kyiv in 2014 prior to Crimea’s ‘annexation’, put an extremist right wing anti-Russian, US selected government in power in Kyiv. Within 24 hours Yatsenyuk (The US’s chosen man) threatened both the Crimean’s and the Russian’s. Crimea being an independent autonomous self governing region had a referendum where 97% of the population voted to leave the Ukraine and become independent. Russian troops locked down the Ukraine military ..... they even let them keep their weapons, and transported those that wanted to return back to Ukraine. Apparently very few took up the offer and decided to stay in Crimea or go on to join the Russian Forces.

LR: That's not what happened. Putin's annexation of Crimea was met with much acclaim from the Russian people. Why not, it was bloodless, costless and as such proved popular. Well, much like the Anschluss.

Your talk of a US inspired "coup" earlier in Ukraine is BS.

Here are just 3 videos of that ‘bullshit’!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-tape-idUSBREA1601G20140207

LR: Knowing how the people of Poland and Romania were prospering in the EU the Ukrainian people and its parliament voted overwhelmingly for a political association and free trade agreement. Yanyukovich nevertheless made the unilateral decision to ignore it in favour of a closer relationship with Russia.

At the last minute as I understand it, the EU added a clause that required Ukraine to cease trading with the Russian Federation! As those that voted him into power were mostly from the Southern and Eastern Oblasts where over 66% of Ukraine’s GDP was generated .... and most of it by trade with Russia, HE/they rejected the EU’s terms! Wouldn’t you in their place? :roll:

So the minority in the North decided with the backing of the US decided to put these people in their place AND THAT STARTED THE EIGHT YEAR CIVIL WAR!

[quote] LR: The man was basically just another brown envelope Lukashenko, living in palatial splendour. He got ousted. Seeing how things were heading - and with an eye to Sevastopol (which is what it was all really about) - provoked the Russian move on Crimea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity


Robin Hood wrote: Why do you always have to tell lies?

You have a perspective problem. If you're confused it's on "RH Problems" - page 2.

A short while ago I posted a list of the slurs you'd used responding to me in quite a short while. You know "drunk/liar ...................etc" . You seem to have this victimhood issue. You can't see just how much offense you yourself dish out. Not just the adjectives but, more importantly actually, the tone. I would urge you to curb it. I don't know what else I can say. I can keep you awake at night. It isn't reciprocal.

More threats? Just like you have done several times before on different forums? What ‘gang’ of likewise morons are you putting together now to ‘work me over’ as you threatened before? (WE know where you live .... you know what I mean .... was the veiled threat!) Or maybe taking all the copies of posts I make that offend your sensitivities, to your Lawyer. I said I could stop you in your tracks ..... and legally! So you ran sobbing to the site owner that I was bullying you. Ah .... didums! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 29, 2023 12:47 pm

Ahhhhh sometimes I do feel sorry for Zionist Swine on this forum but only for a very brief moment like a nanosecond. It is not easy to be shown up for what they are.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:10 pm

RH:

You got the ass ache because of my "Life's too short" comment. The reality is these matters have been kicked around many times over the past 20 months. There's nothing new to discuss in regard to what's now ancient history and the forum, as always, has never resounded to "I see what you mean". So, realistically, what's the point? :?

After the fall of the Soviet Union Ukraine became an independent sovereign country. That, supposedly guaranteed by The Budapest Memorandum of 1994. Part, in exchange for its relinquishing the significant number of nuclear weapons they held and the associated manufacturing facilities. A treaty solemnly signed by 3 parties, including Mr Putin, on behalf of the Russian Federation.

Now, there's been an army of half a million or so Russian troops in Ukraine for 20 months. Causing destruction on a scale which shows the total hypocrisy of Putin's recent pious comments on Gaza. Concurrently, killing tens of thousands of civilians whilst driving millions from their homes/country and annexing large chunks of Ukraine. Russian bombs and missiles have rained down on the Ukrainian population. You can post the usual reams of obfuscating "proof" but that remains the essential core truth of what has taken place.

Londonrake wrote:A short while ago I posted a list of the slurs you'd used responding to me in quite a short while. You know "drunk/liar ...................etc" . You seem to have this victimhood issue. You can't see just how much offense you yourself dish out. Not just the adjectives but, more importantly actually, the tone. I would urge you to curb it. I don't know what else I can say. I can keep you awake at night. It isn't reciprocal.


Robin Hood wrote:More threats? Just like you have done several times before on different forums? What ‘gang’ of likewise morons are you putting together now to ‘work me over’ as you threatened before? (WE know where you live .... you know what I mean .... was the veiled threat!) Or maybe taking all the copies of posts I make that offend your sensitivities, to your Lawyer. I said I could stop you in your tracks ..... and legally! So you ran sobbing to the site owner that I was bullying you. Ah .... didums! :lol: :lol:


Flippant claptrap. :roll:

In a similar vein I've lost count of the times this stuff has been kicked around but........

You have always had the gift of upsetting people, an abrasive and obnoxious manner. I have come to believe you enjoy and are in fact proud of it.

Because you and I had frequent clashes, a couple of people who'd had a belly full approached me with the suggestion of paying you a visit. I rebuffed the offers and told those concerned they were overreacting - significantly - and subsequently informed you. Suggesting you tone it down a bit (that'll be the day :roll: ). Once I believe I even phoned you to pass on my concern about a mail I'd received from one.

For public consumption you bizarrely translated that into my having a plan to come to your house with others, causing damage and violence to you and your Wife. It was the product of paranoia and a total fantasy. In fact, one of the people you had upset had been a guest in your home. So the "We know where you live" comment is another example of your dream world. I have never threatened you with anything which could be considered illegal, it is - as you have recently become so fond of the word - a blatant lie. It just fits your perennial "victim" persona.

In your usual manner you had upset a lot of people, including several who had left the particular forum as a result, most notably perhaps one you had bludgeoned repeatedly for something like a year - a forum sponsor who left and took his business with him. After that, and various other classic episodes, such as inferring all Servicemen's Wives were basically loudmouthed sluts, you were a marked man. Your charming little missive to me - which consisted in part of threatening to send your "Mates" to sort me out (Have to say, I have met some of them and none struck me as the sort likely to defend your besmirched honour over some internet squabble) was merely the formal tool required to cancel your membership. In fact I asked a couple of times that you not be banned but the man's mind had long been made up. In essence you were gladly gotten rid of.

Can you not see the contradiction in your saying "I said I could stop you in your tracks ..... and legally!" whilst at the same time "Or maybe taking all the copies of posts I make that offend your sensitivities, to your Lawyer." :? Although, you actually said no such thing. It was all a big secret. :wink:

I know you well enough and the day you "Bully" me Hell will have frozen over. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:02 pm

Londonrake wrote:RH:

You got the ass ache because of my "Life's too short" comment. The reality is these matters have been kicked around many times over the past 20 months. There's nothing new to discuss in regard to what's now ancient history and the forum, as always, has never resounded to "I see what you mean". So, realistically, what's the point? :?

After the fall of the Soviet Union Ukraine became an independent sovereign country. That, supposedly guaranteed by The Budapest Memorandum of 1994. Part, in exchange for its relinquishing the significant number of nuclear weapons they held and the associated manufacturing facilities. A treaty solemnly signed by 3 parties, including Mr Putin, on behalf of the Russian Federation.

Now, there's been an army of half a million or so Russian troops in Ukraine for 20 months. Causing destruction on a scale which shows the total hypocrisy of Putin's recent pious comments on Gaza. Concurrently, killing tens of thousands of civilians whilst driving millions from their homes/country and annexing large chunks of Ukraine. Russian bombs and missiles have rained down on the Ukrainian population. You can post the usual reams of obfuscating "proof" but that remains the essential core truth of what has taken place.

Londonrake wrote:A short while ago I posted a list of the slurs you'd used responding to me in quite a short while. You know "drunk/liar ...................etc" . You seem to have this victimhood issue. You can't see just how much offense you yourself dish out. Not just the adjectives but, more importantly actually, the tone. I would urge you to curb it. I don't know what else I can say. I can keep you awake at night. It isn't reciprocal.


Robin Hood wrote:More threats? Just like you have done several times before on different forums? What ‘gang’ of likewise morons are you putting together now to ‘work me over’ as you threatened before? (WE know where you live .... you know what I mean .... was the veiled threat!) Or maybe taking all the copies of posts I make that offend your sensitivities, to your Lawyer. I said I could stop you in your tracks ..... and legally! So you ran sobbing to the site owner that I was bullying you. Ah .... didums! :lol: :lol:


Flippant claptrap. :roll:

In a similar vein I've lost count of the times this stuff has been kicked around but........

You have always had the gift of upsetting people, An abrasive and obnoxious manner. I have come to believe you enjoy and are in fact proud of it.

Because you and I had frequent clashes, a couple of people who'd had a belly full approached me with the suggestion of paying you a visit. I rebuffed the offers and told those concerned they were overreacting - significantly - and subsequently informed you. Suggesting you tone it down a bit (that'll be the day :roll: ). Once I believe I even phoned you to pass on my concern about a mail I'd received from one.

For public consumption you bizarrely translated that into my having a plan to come to your house with others, causing damage and violence to you and your Wife. It was the product of paranoia and a total fantasy. In fact, one of the people you had upset had been a guest in your home. So the "We know where you live" comment is another example of your dream world. I have never threatened you with anything which could be considered illegal, it is - as you have recently become so fond of the word - a blatant lie. It just fits your perennial "victim" persona.

In your usual manner you had upset a lot of people, including several who had left the particular forum as a result, most notably perhaps one you had bludgeoned repeatedly for something like a year - a forum sponsor who left and took his business with him. After that, and various other classic episodes, such as inferring all Servicemen's Wives were basically loudmouthed sluts, you were a marked man. Your charming little missive to me - which consisted in part of threatening to send your "Mates" to sort me out (Have to say, I have met some of them and none struck me as the sort likely to defend your besmirched honour over some internet squabble) was merely the formal tool required to cancel your membership. In fact I asked a couple of times that you not be banned but the man's mind had long been made up. In essence you were gladly gotten rid of.

Can you not see the contradiction in your saying "I said I could stop you in your tracks ..... and legally!" whilst at the same time "Or maybe taking all the copies of posts I make that offend your sensitivities, to your Lawyer." :? Although, you actually said no such thing. It was all a big secret. :wink:

I know you well enough and the day you "Bully" me Hell will have frozen over. :wink:

The only person I have a problem with and have done over many years, is YOU and it is you that follows me around ......... not the other way round.

As far as I am concerned I suggest you STFU and find someone else to play your stupid games with!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:14 pm

Robin Hood wrote:The only person I have a problem with and have done over many years, is YOU and it is you that follows me around ......... not the other way round.

As far as I am concerned I suggest you STFU and find someone else to play your stupid games with!


AHHHHHH! Back of the net. :wink:

You left - for a year or so I think. You came back (isn't that "following" :? ). I welcomed you. Not too long after you started the same ole, same ole personal shite. I politely pointed it out, several times, and let it go. You continued and.............................. here we are.

Perhaps the next time you throw your dummy in the dirt and leave a forum (I think it would be the 3rd) - supposedly because of my giving you as good as you dish out - then you come back, you might just be a bit more respectful of others sensitivities. I'm absolutely not holding my breath on that one though.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:22 am

repulsewarrior wrote:https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-cultural-appropriation-artifacts-looted-war/32657653.html

...where have we seen this before.


International Law says that Crimea is part of Russia now and it is no longer under Russian occupation, therefore, the article is not valid. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:52 am

Kikapu wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-cultural-appropriation-artifacts-looted-war/32657653.html

...where have we seen this before.


International Law says that Crimea is part of Russia now and it is no longer under Russian occupation, therefore, the article is not valid. :wink:


...what's "theirs".

Lucky for 'us' in Cyprus i suppose that Turkey did not decide to "take back" the whole island (from the British); wiser perhaps than Putin's policy, who tried to take it (Ukraine) all.

...'we' can expect more of the same from Turkey of course if his contemporary in Russia succeeds with their expansionistic notions.
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