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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:16 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Err, I wouldn’t say, “Nobody”, Zelensky!

Paphitis and Jack Devine still does! :wink:

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Londonrake wrote:I don't think Russia will be defeated in Ukraine and never have. In fact, for quite a while I was expressing the view Ukraine's fate was probably inevitable, given the numbers involved.


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I did not mean you when I said Jack Devine. I meant the real Jack Devine. :D

LR, I know your position on the Ukraine/Russia war as to which side will raise the White flag and which side won’t. :wink:


Forgive me. I am easily confused (ask Hood) :eyecrazy:

I earnestly believe, barring unforeseeable events, such as Putin suddenly vacating a 6th story window - to the sound of "Hasta la Vista baby" by a chorus of oligarchs, or Trump winning the 2024, that there will be no "white flag". It strikes me that neither side can be seen to have lost.

And.......................... here we are.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:40 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Londonrake: Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:21 pm
Kikapu wrote: International Law says that Crimea is part of Russia now and it is no longer under Russian occupation, therefore, the article is not valid.

You're attempting to legitimise something which isn't. Arguing, in essence, a fait accompli.

You however are attempting to de-legitimise something legitimate in Intl. Law by referring to a source which leaves out most of the facts and applies a convenient time line. Try looking at the FULL picture for a change!

Crimea’s independence and admission to the Russian Federation of Independent States is legitimate as it was a decision made by The People under the UN definition of Self Determination. This was possible only BECAUSE Crimea was an autonomous State within Ukraine. The reason Russia did not do the same with Luhansk and Donetsk was because the Kyiv regime refused to negotiate and denied them autonomy. Russia had to wait until Kyiv actually attacked the Donbas, to escalate an eight year attempted genocide by Kyiv, to then recognise the LPR and DPR as break-away states and implemented an RTP response.

I've posted this link before (a rarity for me) - but, like references to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, the silence I think says it all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexatio ... Federation

International Law of course is one of those moveable feasts. If it relates to the invasion of Ukraine ....'justified in Law' Bashir Assad's butchery of his population (with Russian assistance) .... ‘Proven propaganda’ ....... and his use of chemical weapons,...’Disproved’.... or perhaps Chinese illegal activities in the South China Sea, (... the clue is the CHINA ref) then it's a load of hokum. When it suits the agenda it's something to intimidatingly brandish. A bit like the ole UN . Although, even in that place the vote on Russia's invasion came down to 141 against, 5 for, with 35 abstentions. The supporters being those giants of freedom, Belarus (surprise, surprise) Iran, North Korea, China and India (who seem to be having second thoughts). Historically, dictators do tend to stick together.


FWIW:

The Crimea Crisis. An International Law Perspective

https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/Marxsen_ ... ective.pdf


An unreasonably long read I know but the conclusion pretty much says it all.

The idea it's acceptable you can invade a neighbouring country in order to "save" an ethnic minority, hold a plebiscite under your own rules and supervision, then present the overwhelmingly positive result (it always is) as legitimate probably frightens a lot of countries shitless. At the moment I imagine Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia being at the top of the list.


It was applied in Kosovo for the NATO alliance ...... when they used that excuse to break up the former Yugoslavia. Didn’t that work well? :roll:

And with a more pragmatic perspective!

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/17/world/europe/ukraine-vote-legality/index.html

Whether Crimea is a legitimate and legal independent State or not, depends on whether you support the Kyiv/US/UK view, or the view of the people of Crimea who made the decision to break with Ukraine! Of course we know which argument you favour but should it not be a case of ‘.....let the people speak’?

Remind me again ..... when did Russia actually invade Crimea? :roll:


There's so much total bullshit in that I have to take the fifth and say............................ life's too short! :lol: :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:49 am



...it may interest some of our readership.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Nov 05, 2023 2:42 pm

Interesting turn of events.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky faces a daunting challenge as several of the nation’s senior military leaders are reportedly hesitant to confront Vladimir Putin’s forces


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/major-blow-for-zelensky-top-commanders-refuse-to-give-orders-to-take-action-against-putin/ar-AA1jpiCo?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=5302ffeceefe40d8a5db3dced918173b&ei=28
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Nov 05, 2023 8:16 pm

Those were the days my friends. When the Swine sent arms via Iran to Russia to fight the Nazi Sawine.


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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:36 am

https://en.protothema.gr/russian-missil ... led-video/

...coincidence? (That was a very accurate shot it seems.)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:53 pm

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