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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:03 pm

SKY NEWS

With Russia claiming there may be Ukrainian involvement in the attacks on Friday, Mr Hunt was asked how much the public should believe them.
He told Sky News: "I think we have very little confidence in anything the Russian government says.

"We know that they are creating a smokescreen of propaganda to defend an utterly evil invasion of Ukraine
."

He added that he takes "what the Russian government says with an enormous pinch of salt".

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-hunt-says-uk-should-absolutely-be-concerned-about-islamic-state-after-moscow-attack-13100956


Simple question to that......... is that a fact, his governments view or his personal opinion? :roll:

Because a very large number of people in the UK, will believe that without question ..... people who never see any other point of view with which to compare views.

They are totally unaware that the US/UK were behind the Maidan Revolution of Dignity and the coup that overthrew the elected President ......... an event which started the civil war! They still think Crimea was taken by 'little green men'. Also overlooked every time is that it was Kyiv with the help of the Western Alliance that escalated the civil war into what they have today! On TV today some female correspondent referring to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine claimed it was ..... “ a completely illegal and unprovoked attack “ ......... do people really still believe that to be true? :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:26 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:I have a feeling as soon we are about to witness WW3. Sooner or later they will be full blown war in the Middle East, Ukraine and possibly Taiwan too. One will start the next as either side will not miss the opportunity to take what they can while everybody else is looking the other way,

WW3 which is what arms industry has been calling for for some time.


Biden as POTUS gave them a time-limited opportunity. Putin took it but the Russians have struggled for 2 years against 3rd division Ukraine. Despite all the rhetoric, the idea they would/could take on NATO is a ROFLMAO joke. Watching that unfold from the sidelines the Chinese will likely bide their time. They have their own problems to deal with, not to mention their entire economy being symbiotically linked to trade with the West.

Looking at how European defence spending has declined, the arms industry there don’t seem to have been doing too well.

Never underestimate the stupidity/hubris of national leaders (particularly Dictators) but nobody in the current lineup seems to want a global war………. by intent.


Foolishly, you are once again sounding like Jack Devine who lives on alternate universe!

Time for you to remove the nose peg and smell the coffee, LR! :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:42 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
SKY NEWS

With Russia claiming there may be Ukrainian involvement in the attacks on Friday, Mr Hunt was asked how much the public should believe them.
He told Sky News: "I think we have very little confidence in anything the Russian government says.

"We know that they are creating a smokescreen of propaganda to defend an utterly evil invasion of Ukraine
."

He added that he takes "what the Russian government says with an enormous pinch of salt".

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-hunt-says-uk-should-absolutely-be-concerned-about-islamic-state-after-moscow-attack-13100956


Simple question to that......... is that a fact, his governments view or his personal opinion? :roll:

Because a very large number of people in the UK, will believe that without question ..... people who never see any other point of view with which to compare views.

They are totally unaware that the US/UK were behind the Maidan Revolution of Dignity and the coup that overthrew the elected President ......... an event which started the civil war! They still think Crimea was taken by 'little green men'. Also overlooked every time is that it was Kyiv with the help of the Western Alliance that escalated the civil war into what they have today! On TV today some female correspondent referring to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine claimed it was ..... “ a completely illegal and unprovoked attack “ ......... do people really still believe that to be true? :roll:


I would suggest the person occupying the second most important office of State doesn’t have a “personal view”. Particularly when talking to the media.

Your view of what happened in Ukraine during early 2014 is very partisan. The UK/US involvement exaggerated, if not nonsense. Yanukovych was a corrupt Russian puppet who unilaterally rejected his peoples overwhelmingly expressed desire to move towards closer relations with the EU. Despite their parliament voting almost unanimously to accept a free trade and political association agreement Yanukovych refused to sign it. There was a popular uprising. A lot of repressive laws were enacted which were enforced against protestors by police brutality. It got very ugly and events mostly progressively reactive. Not some cunning conspiracy, carefully planned in Washington/London.

Seeing the way the wind was blowing Putin seized Crimea and armed the hard core Russian separatists, providing them with covert military assistance. When the Ukrainians reacted the separatists obviously needed “rescuing” from the “Nazis”. It’s a tactic as old as the hills and one quite likely to be repeated in Moldova, the 3 Baltic states and even Finland if Putin’s successful in Ukraine.

If you think unilaterally grabbing a large chunk of another country, then sending 200,000 troops across your border to create widespread carnage and killing there isn’t illegal then I shudder to imagine what you believe constitutes such. I’d be surprised if that august body you hold so high when it comes to Gaza, the UN, doesn’t see it that way. Dunno.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:51 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:I have a feeling as soon we are about to witness WW3. Sooner or later they will be full blown war in the Middle East, Ukraine and possibly Taiwan too. One will start the next as either side will not miss the opportunity to take what they can while everybody else is looking the other way,

WW3 which is what arms industry has been calling for for some time.


Biden as POTUS gave them a time-limited opportunity. Putin took it but the Russians have struggled for 2 years against 3rd division Ukraine. Despite all the rhetoric, the idea they would/could take on NATO is a ROFLMAO joke. Watching that unfold from the sidelines the Chinese will likely bide their time. They have their own problems to deal with, not to mention their entire economy being symbiotically linked to trade with the West.

Looking at how European defence spending has declined, the arms industry there don’t seem to have been doing too well.

Never underestimate the stupidity/hubris of national leaders (particularly Dictators) but nobody in the current lineup seems to want a global war………. by intent.


Foolishly, you are once again sounding like Jack Devine who lives on alternate universe!

Time for you to remove the nose peg and smell the coffee, LR! :roll:


Good afternoon Kicks. But - sigh! Do you ever actually respond to points made in a post? Or just confine yourself purely to short, witty put-down quips?

I could look it up of course but will instead settle for - I have no idea, or desire to know, who “Jack Devine” is. :?

Anyway, congrat’s on posting a whole 2 sentences without a single Cunt in. :wink: :D
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:37 pm

Londonrake wrote:
I would suggest the person occupying the second most important office of State doesn’t have a “personal view”. Particularly when talking to the media.

It worked for Johnson ....... he expressed HIS view frequently and was caught out lying on many occasions. He even talked Zelenskey into continuing the War ..... or was he just the spokesman for Biden ...... and The Military Industrial Complex?

Your view of what happened in Ukraine during early 2014 is very partisan. The UK/US involvement exaggerated, if not nonsense. Yanukovych was a corrupt Russian puppet who unilaterally rejected his peoples overwhelmingly expressed desire to move towards closer relations with the EU. Despite their parliament voting almost unanimously to accept a free trade and political association agreement Yanukovych refused to sign it. There was a popular uprising. A lot of repressive laws were enacted which were enforced against protestors by police brutality. It got very ugly and events mostly progressively reactive. Not some cunning conspiracy, carefully planned in Washington/London.

Seeing the way the wind was blowing Putin seized Crimea and armed the hard core Russian separatists, providing them with covert military assistance. When the Ukrainians reacted the separatists obviously needed “rescuing” from the “Nazis”. It’s a tactic as old as the hills and one quite likely to be repeated in Moldova, the 3 Baltic states and even Finland if Putin’s successful in Ukraine.

If you think unilaterally grabbing a large chunk of another country, then sending 200,000 troops across your border to create widespread carnage and killing there isn’t illegal then I shudder to imagine what you believe constitutes such. I’d be surprised if that august body you hold so high when it comes to Gaza, the UN, doesn’t see it that way. Dunno.


Everything above has been explained to you multiple times ..... in spite of providing evidence you can check out yourself you just ignore it, deny it or decry it ...... and/or criticize the source and the Author. You always know best. Fair enough believe what you want! Time will tell.

BTW: Whilst denigrating Ron Unz you missed out the bit where he was born into a strict Jewish home and spoke only Yiddish until he went to school. He is still a Jew and has written multiple papers on Jews/Judaism/Zionist/Zionism ......... you should try reading them it would open your eyes to the real World!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:57 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:I have a feeling as soon we are about to witness WW3. Sooner or later they will be full blown war in the Middle East, Ukraine and possibly Taiwan too. One will start the next as either side will not miss the opportunity to take what they can while everybody else is looking the other way,

WW3 which is what arms industry has been calling for for some time.


Biden as POTUS gave them a time-limited opportunity. Putin took it but the Russians have struggled for 2 years against 3rd division Ukraine. Despite all the rhetoric, the idea they would/could take on NATO is a ROFLMAO joke. Watching that unfold from the sidelines the Chinese will likely bide their time. They have their own problems to deal with, not to mention their entire economy being symbiotically linked to trade with the West.

Looking at how European defence spending has declined, the arms industry there don’t seem to have been doing too well.

Never underestimate the stupidity/hubris of national leaders (particularly Dictators) but nobody in the current lineup seems to want a global war………. by intent.


Foolishly, you are once again sounding like Jack Devine who lives on alternate universe!

Time for you to remove the nose peg and smell the coffee, LR! :roll:


Good afternoon Kicks. But - sigh! Do you ever actually respond to points made in a post? Or just confine yourself purely to short, witty put-down quips?

I could look it up of course but will instead settle for - I have no idea, or desire to know, who “Jack Devine” is. :?

Anyway, congrat’s on posting a whole 2 sentences without a single Cunt in. :wink: :D


I had already dealt with your above statement before, that in your view Russia have struggled for two years against 3rd division Ukraine, which is utter nonsense of course, so why regurgitate the same ol’ same ol’ all over again to you so for you to ignore it again. :wink:

Going “short hand” replies in such situations makes complete sense! :wink:

Sunday’s could become “cunt free day”! :wink:

It worked for Melina Mercouri in “Never on Sunday”! :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:47 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
I would suggest the person occupying the second most important office of State doesn’t have a “personal view”. Particularly when talking to the media.

It worked for Johnson ....... he expressed HIS view frequently and was caught out lying on many occasions. He even talked Zelenskey into continuing the War ..... or was he just the spokesman for Biden ...... and The Military Industrial Complex?

Your view of what happened in Ukraine during early 2014 is very partisan. The UK/US involvement exaggerated, if not nonsense. Yanukovych was a corrupt Russian puppet who unilaterally rejected his peoples overwhelmingly expressed desire to move towards closer relations with the EU. Despite their parliament voting almost unanimously to accept a free trade and political association agreement Yanukovych refused to sign it. There was a popular uprising. A lot of repressive laws were enacted which were enforced against protestors by police brutality. It got very ugly and events mostly progressively reactive. Not some cunning conspiracy, carefully planned in Washington/London.

Seeing the way the wind was blowing Putin seized Crimea and armed the hard core Russian separatists, providing them with covert military assistance. When the Ukrainians reacted the separatists obviously needed “rescuing” from the “Nazis”. It’s a tactic as old as the hills and one quite likely to be repeated in Moldova, the 3 Baltic states and even Finland if Putin’s successful in Ukraine.

If you think unilaterally grabbing a large chunk of another country, then sending 200,000 troops across your border to create widespread carnage and killing there isn’t illegal then I shudder to imagine what you believe constitutes such. I’d be surprised if that august body you hold so high when it comes to Gaza, the UN, doesn’t see it that way. Dunno.


Everything above has been explained to you multiple times ..... in spite of providing evidence you can check out yourself you just ignore it, deny it or decry it ...... and/or criticize the source and the Author. You always know best. Fair enough believe what you want! Time will tell.

BTW: Whilst denigrating Ron Unz you missed out the bit where he was born into a strict Jewish home and spoke only Yiddish until he went to school. He is still a Jew and has written multiple papers on Jews/Judaism/Zionist/Zionism ......... you should try reading them it would open your eyes to the real World!

He and his friends have to get past the idea that not all Jews think alike. And when he does he will say what all good Zionosts say about Jewish people who criticise Israel and Zionists, they call them self hating Jews.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:49 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:I have a feeling as soon we are about to witness WW3. Sooner or later they will be full blown war in the Middle East, Ukraine and possibly Taiwan too. One will start the next as either side will not miss the opportunity to take what they can while everybody else is looking the other way,

WW3 which is what arms industry has been calling for for some time.


Biden as POTUS gave them a time-limited opportunity. Putin took it but the Russians have struggled for 2 years against 3rd division Ukraine. Despite all the rhetoric, the idea they would/could take on NATO is a ROFLMAO joke. Watching that unfold from the sidelines the Chinese will likely bide their time. They have their own problems to deal with, not to mention their entire economy being symbiotically linked to trade with the West.

Looking at how European defence spending has declined, the arms industry there don’t seem to have been doing too well.

Never underestimate the stupidity/hubris of national leaders (particularly Dictators) but nobody in the current lineup seems to want a global war………. by intent.


Foolishly, you are once again sounding like Jack Devine who lives on alternate universe!

Time for you to remove the nose peg and smell the coffee, LR! :roll:


Good afternoon Kicks. But - sigh! Do you ever actually respond to points made in a post? Or just confine yourself purely to short, witty put-down quips?

I could look it up of course but will instead settle for - I have no idea, or desire to know, who “Jack Devine” is. :?

Anyway, congrat’s on posting a whole 2 sentences without a single Cunt in. :wink: :D


I had already dealt with your above statement before, that in your view Russia have struggled for two years against 3rd division Ukraine, which is utter nonsense of course, so why regurgitate the same ol’ same ol’ all over again to you so for you to ignore it again. :wink:

Going “short hand” replies in such situations makes complete sense! :wink:

Sunday’s could become “cunt free day”! :wink:

It worked for Melina Mercouri in “Never on Sunday”! :wink:

He clearly not heard that Nato was sending weapons and ammo by the trillions, so much so that their own stores were empty. American Arms Industry loves Ukraine and Israel.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:55 pm

Kikapu wrote:I had already dealt with your above statement before, that in your view Russia have struggled for two years against 3rd division Ukraine, which is utter nonsense of course, so why regurgitate the same ol’ same ol’ all over again to you so for you to ignore it again. :wink:

Ahh, come on, that's bollocks. (short enough?) :)

Going “short hand” replies in such situations makes complete sense! :wink:

K.

Sunday’s could become “cunt free day”! :wink:

Ahh, but you didn't say bollocks free! :P

It worked for Melina Mercouri in “Never on Sunday”! :wink:

Poor Melina. She tried, but never got her marbles back. :(
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:19 pm

Everybody seems to have forgotten that Isis was created and trained by America and Israel as part of the Free Syrian Army to topple Asad. Just like they armed and trained Taliban to topple the Socialist Afghanistan government in the 80s.

We have the YankeCunts and the ZionistaCunts to thank for their existence.
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