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[Lordo]

There is no excuse for not fully understanding how the Ukrainian conflict materialised. This thread alone has gone into every single detail in every turn how America has manipulated all the Europeans both East and West to get to this point.

If they are not stopped they will then start further out to the other side of the Black Sea shores and do exact same thing.

[repulsewarrior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSdNctABUOo

...they got everything. And GR i hope you have the news to debate this.

[Lordo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSdNctABUOo

...they got everything. And GR i hope you have the news to debate this.

RW Trump is begging Putin to sit down and talk. It seems to me it is the other way round. Ukraine is running out of soldiers and they are calling on old men to join the war.

[Londonrake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSdNctABUOo

...they got everything. And GR i hope you have the news to debate this.

RW Trump is begging Putin to sit down and talk. It seems to me it is the other way round. Ukraine is running out of soldiers and they are calling on old men to join the war.

“It seems to me” is an expression you use a lot. Always followed by a highly prejudiced, usually grossly misinformed, personal opinion.

[repulsewarrior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_iBLpcQT4

...but in the budget.

[Lordo]

How the hell do they expect to reach a ceasefire when the Ukrainians are not invited to the meeting?
What the hell is America so involved in this?
What fuckin right do they have to interfere in a war between Russia and Ukraine?

What it really says is that the Americans were there all along and there is no more pretending like in the past.

[boomerang]

There is no excuse for not fully understanding how the Ukrainian conflict materialised. This thread alone has gone into every single detail in every turn how America has manipulated all the Europeans both East and West to get to this point.

If they are not stopped they will then start further out to the other side of the Black Sea shores and do exact same thing.

this is how it kinda materialized

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1416544385990217

[Lordo]

There is no excuse for not fully understanding how the Ukrainian conflict materialised. This thread alone has gone into every single detail in every turn how America has manipulated all the Europeans both East and West to get to this point.

If they are not stopped they will then start further out to the other side of the Black Sea shores and do exact same thing.

this is how it kinda materialized

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1416544385990217

Although I agree with everything he said, he did miss out one small detail. The bombing of Serbia started because of Serbian attempt to take part of Bosnia, where Serbian thugs committed genocide. I seem to remember one America senator explaining why America was reluctant to help the Bosnians claiming they have no petrol, all they have is growing carrots. But of course the Americans do not do anything for nothing, the base would have been minimum they would require in order to join the war.
But the Ukrainians to have signed the Minsk 2 agreement to allow the Russian Ukrainians autonomy and then send in the tanks was the clear point of provocation that had to be stopped. Especially as the Azof battalion that was sent to suppress the Russian Ukrainians had a flag with Swastika on it.

[boomerang]

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=776941504790948

[Lordo]

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=776941504790948

I agree with what he says but he is still missing important bit of History. In the mid 1990s Yugoslavia fell apart. So Serbia took advantage of the situation and supported the Bosnian Serbs to carve out a part of Bosnia to join it with Serbia in 1995. This is where Serbs committed genocide by killing all men between the ages of 15 to 50 in three different towns. The UN soldiers stood by and did nothing. UN could do anything because Russia would veto any action they may want to take against the Bosnian Serbs. It took Clinton another 4 Years to 1999 to decide to bomb Serbia for what they were doing.

This does not mean the Americans did not have expansion of Nato in their mind when they bombed Serbia, they certainly did. The situation was very mixed. I seem to remember an incident in Bosnia when US was trying to land on an airfield and it was surrounded by Russian soldiers that blocked it.

Indeed he is absolutely correct, the Ukrainian war is the direct responsibility of Nato expanding to Ukraine and I suspect if it is not stopped, it would also extend further to the east side of the Black Sea to Georgia. Even Azerbaijan is being very friendly to USA today supplying oil to Israel via Erdogan.