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[Paphitis]

I do not believe that Russia defeating Ukraine is a foregone conclusion either. How they intend to occupy is beyond comprehension. I do not believe Russia has enough troops to occupy and secure the entire country, .

If Russia does invade Ukraine, it does not need to occupy the whole of the country, but just the Capital Kiev and the eastern half of the country. East Germany all over again!

They will still needs hundreds of thousands of troops to occupy Kiev and maintain a bridgehead.

I can’t see how Russia can do that year after year. Eventually, the Russians will be overcome. It will be a slow grinding down into hell, and eventual loss.

Russians won’t know or see their enemy.

[Maximus]

I agree with you Paphitis, but the world is a hypocritical place.

especially in some halls of power, particularity our halls of power..

The US and the EU are tripping over themselves to pull Ukraine in to their sphere of influence and defend it with military means and economic sanctions should Russia invade.

There is or was no such thing happening for Cyprus, international law only applies and is enforced when it suits.

The precedent has been set unfortunately.

[Kikapu]

I do not believe that Russia defeating Ukraine is a foregone conclusion either. How they intend to occupy is beyond comprehension. I do not believe Russia has enough troops to occupy and secure the entire country, .

If Russia does invade Ukraine, it does not need to occupy the whole of the country, but just the Capital Kiev and the eastern half of the country. East Germany all over again!

They will still needs hundreds of thousands of troops to occupy Kiev and maintain a bridgehead.

I can’t see how Russia can do that year after year. Eventually, the Russians will be overcome. It will be a slow grinding down into hell, and eventual loss.

Russians won’t know or see their enemy.

Unlike East Germany, Russia would allow Ukrainians on the eastern half of Ukraine to be transplanted to the unoccupied western half, and allow Russia supporting Ukrainians to move to the Eastern half, and then just like Crimea, annex the eastern half of Ukraine through a “democratic” vote.

[Get Real!]

The only likely “war” we may see are Russian drone strikes against key military and/or political targets, if the Ukraine crosses Russia’s red line but I doubt they will.

The West's bloodthirsty dream of a man-to-man quagmire isn't gonna happen.

All the buildup at the border is nothing but a distraction and prevention of any thereafter retaliation.

[Lordo]

I don't think you fully realise what it all means.

The west is threatening to put sanctions on financial interests of Putin's friends and Nord Stream2 pipline. This will not hurt EU or Russia. The pipeline is not as yet built and the EU is getting all the gas it needs currently. As to financial penalties, all their money invested and the financial regulations in UK are such that they cannot be traced.

The penalty will be paid by Ukranian civilians just like in Cyprus. Greek and Turkish governments got a way with murder, GCs got punished but still won because they got the state and the TCs are the only ones that got punished with sanctions.

So GR thinks Russia wil get bogged down just like Turkey has right? They will occupy a third of the country and the rest will know that if they begin to be naughty again they will lose the lot.

Onwards and upwards with the lunacy.

The west knows very well Russia wil not allow Ukraine to join Nato not in a million years, in the same way they Yanks will not allow a Russian base to this day in Cuba.

Wise up people.

[Get Real!]

So GR thinks Russia wil get bogged down just like Turkey has right?

No, I don't expect that.

What crossing Russia’s red line exactly means I have no detailed knowledge… it could be the signing of documents, it could be the entry of significant foreign forces, it could be a combination of things.

But what’s for sure is that Russia will never allow the Ukraine to become yet another NATO outpost and only a complete fool would call the bluff of a neighboring country that is like 100 times bigger!

Of course, here in Cyprus we know only too well that fools do exist!

So far the West dare not process the Ukraine’s NATO aspirations; not even a membership timetable is on offer, for they understand Russia’s red lines better than the fool.

The West knows only too well that NATO membership is out of the question but they are hoping to drag Russia into a long-term bloody quagmire at the Ukraine’s expense… for the fool is expendable, but Putin is too experienced in politics to be fooled by amateur buffoons like Biden and Boris.

[Londonrake]

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[Pyrpolizer]

Who said Nato as a military alliance was dead? Who said members don't undertake their responsibilities, and don't contribute financially as they should? Wasn't it Trump and wasn't he right?
Do you think his overnight decision to withdraw from Syria was accidental?

Today's Nato is all about creating potential enemies for the purpose of selling weapons mainly supporting the American plus a few other military industries.
That's the whole issue behind the Anglo-American circus actually urging or promoting a Russian invasion in Ukraine. They know they will be the main 2 countries who will benefit from such a war, while they also know they will also benefit if Ukraine eventually joins brain dead Nato.

The rest of Europe and the Russians will pay the price.
However the Russians are not stupid. They repeated over and over again they do not intend to invade Ukraine... Yet the western media don't want to listen.

The problem dates back to the 90s (Soon after the collapse of the USSR) when Russia raised concerns of her own safety and the need for a new agreement regarding European security. So far Russia's concerns were falling on deaf ears.
What Russia is currently doing with all this military concentration is actually applying pressure to have an agreement. It's her only way to be taken seriously.

For the moment Russia is controlling the situation with the relatively minor clashes in Ukraine. But everybody knows things at such a volatile environment may get out of control within hours.
That's the reason there WILL BE NEGOTIATIONS very soon. Not because stupid Biden and the brain dead Nato wants it, but because the Europeans (mainly Germany and France) will demand it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Oh, and the negotiations will not be between brain dead Stoltenberg and the Russians any more. The Russians don't even want to see him. How much more ridiculous can anyone be letting Stoltenberg, who already got a job as the new Central Banker of Norway, do such a job?

[Lordo]

The Germans have already said stopping the pipeline building will not affect the Europeans, as they get their gas already via other pipes.

As t financial, City of London is run in such a way that there is no way of knowing who is who as all the trade go though shell companies in tax heavens.

The war industry will benefit and the Ukrainian people will pay for the stupidity of their leaders. Of course I have no doubt the Ukrainian leaders are getting their pockets filled with brown envelopes with the deal of weapons too.

What a world we live in.