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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:03 pm

Better Jaw, jaw than....................... apparently.

Putin is clearly the sort of man who will do whatever it takes. On the single proviso there's a good chance he'll get away with it. He's a gambler. Should he still be considering it (there have been many veiled and clear threats) I think there can now be no doubt in his mind that the benefits of using nuclear devices in Ukraine would be far outweighed by the consequences. One of which - reemphasised in the usual Chinese inscrutable way by Xi-Jinping at the G20 yesterday - was that his most powerful ally could effectively shut the door on even China's tacit support of the invasion.

Pyrpolizer wrote:So, are they trying to convince us they called the Russian head of FIA, to lecture him of the consequences of using nuclear weapons, while at the same time Stoltenberg points to never ending supply of the West's most powerful weapons to Ukraine?

but it also shows the importance of our continued support to Ukraine,” Jens Stoltenberg said in the Netherlands.

Sergey Naryshkin must have been very stupid to even have attended such a meeting.


"Lecturing" is your choice of word. I would opt - yet again - for making the cost of using nuclear weapons absolutely clear.

According to you it's taken the Ukranians 1000 of "the West's most powerful weapons" fired over a whole month in order to bring down a small bridge. Some weapons. Conversely, Putin it seems has supplied nuclear weapons to Lukashenko and the Russians are outfitting Belarusian aircraft to carry them. How does that measure on a "Supplying the most powerful weapons" scale?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:32 pm

Londonrake wrote:Better Jaw, jaw than....................... apparently.

Putin is clearly the sort of man who will do whatever it takes. On the single proviso there's a good chance he'll get away with it. He's a gambler. Should he still be considering it (there have been many veiled and clear threats) I think there can now be no doubt in his mind that the benefits of using nuclear devices in Ukraine would be far outweighed by the consequences. One of which - reemphasised in the usual Chinese inscrutable way by Xi-Jinping at the G20 yesterday - was that his most powerful ally could effectively shut the door on even China's tacit support of the invasion.

Pyrpolizer wrote:So, are they trying to convince us they called the Russian head of FIA, to lecture him of the consequences of using nuclear weapons, while at the same time Stoltenberg points to never ending supply of the West's most powerful weapons to Ukraine?

but it also shows the importance of our continued support to Ukraine,” Jens Stoltenberg said in the Netherlands.

Sergey Naryshkin must have been very stupid to even have attended such a meeting.


"Lecturing" is your choice of word. I would opt - yet again - for making the cost of using nuclear weapons absolutely clear.

I wouldn't expect anything better from you other than opting for that.

According to you it's taken the Ukranians 1000 of "the West's most powerful weapons" fired over a whole month in order to bring down a small bridge. Some weapons. Conversely, Putin it seems has supplied nuclear weapons to Lukashenko and the Russians are outfitting Belarusian aircraft to carry them. How does that measure on a "Supplying the most powerful weapons" scale?


Excluding nukes something between 2 and 10 on a scale of 10 depending on the weapon and it's availability . Himars is at 2.5. Any more queries? 8)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:52 pm

Well, I was being polite. That'll teach me. :wink:

Clearly, both the 1000 HIMAR bridge and Belorussia obtaining nuclear weapons stories are complete nonsense.

Suggesting Ukraine, a country which was fighting for its independent sovereign existence last spring, being supplied with weapons constitutes a travesty, in the light of believing the latter is a rational absurdity.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:32 pm

Londonrake wrote:Well, I was being polite. That'll teach me. :wink:

Clearly, both the 1000 HIMAR bridge and Belorussia obtaining nuclear weapons stories are complete nonsense.

Suggesting Ukraine, a country which was fighting for its independent sovereign existence last spring, being supplied with weapons constitutes a travesty, in the light of believing the latter is a rational absurdity.


You seem you have a habit of regurgitating posts made months ago, each time adding more distortion to what was actually said. I was very clear from the very beginning that whatever nuclear capability was delivered to Belarus should imo be of similar status as the American nukes in Incirlik -Turkey. In other words they are in Belarus but most probably under Russian control.

Here are some links to help educate yourself instead of talking nonsense. If within 10 days the Russians intercepted 200 Himars and missed an unknown number imagine how many the Ukrainians fired from 27 of Sept. Assuming you were following the news (doubtful) there were 12 Himars hits on Antonofsky bridge on the first day whereas each Himars pallet holds 9 pieces.

https://eurasiantimes.com/himars-batter ... ry-defeat/
https://eurasiantimes.com/russia-orders ... -kinzhals/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:23 am

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...it is the biggest bombardment in a while against the Ukrainian people.

Some missiles hit in Poland; evaluations are being made, and given NATO's art. 5, some members have already stated their commitment, and readiness to fight back.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:12 pm

Interesting news this morning.

News is Russia has fired 19 missiles fired into Ukraine. Biden says the trajectory is not from the Russian positions. There were also another 100 missiles fired yesterday but no news on who fired then and from where.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:28 pm

Biden told allies missile that hit Poland was Ukrainian air defence -source

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 022-11-15/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:58 pm

Indication that the missile was an S-300 fired from Ukraine.

https://rybar.ru/piwigo/upload/2022/11/ ... b9887d.jpg
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:36 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Indication that the missile was an S-300 fired from Ukraine.

https://rybar.ru/piwigo/upload/2022/11/ ... b9887d.jpg

Despite it being a Ukranian missile Russia is to blame Nato says.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:05 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Indication that the missile was an S-300 fired from Ukraine.

https://rybar.ru/piwigo/upload/2022/11/ ... b9887d.jpg

Despite it being a Ukranian missile Russia is to blame Nato says.

Well Ukraine would not need to fire off missiles if not for the need to defend itself against Russia.
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