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[Maximus]

GR, I just did a quick fact check on your claims using a computer and WORLDWIDE sources of information.

Claim: it was the British that sent the arms and money (pinched from Biden’s blank cheques to the Ukraine) that funded the resurrection (arms/training/support) of the Jihadis that went on to oust Assad.

Reality: While there is evidence that the UK funded Syrian opposition projects through clandestine government funds like the CSSF, this support was officially for “moderate armed groups”, not explicitly for jihadist groups. British officials have been vague about which factions benefited, making full details hard to confirm definitively. There is no credible evidence showing that US aid earmarked for Ukraine was diverted by the British to fund the Syrian opposition. Much of the foreign arms and financial support to Syrian extremist groups (including jihadists) came from private donors in Gulf states like Qatar and Saudi Arabia, not the British or American states directly. Gulf individual operatives moved large sums of money through Turkey, especially in the early years of the conflict.

Claim: it was the Anglo-Americans that recognized the Jihadi punk as the new government of Syria and even coerced our idiot Nicos to greet him in Nicosia (first foreign visit for the punk?) and then invited by a series of EU countries to display recognition for the punk!

Reality: The EU as a bloc hasn't granted full formal recognition to HTS-led government, but individual member states have begun re-engaging. Official EU statements indicate a pragmatic approach tied to reforms and conditions about governance and rights. No evidence supports that Nicos was coerced to meet with Ahmad al-Sharaa in Nicosia. Recent high-level Cyprus-Syria contacts involved Cypriot Foreign Minister Constantinos Kombos, not the president, and those meetings took place in Damascus, not Nicosia.

Claim: Turkey’s role was nothing… they didn’t need to do anything!

Reality: This is inaccurate. Turkey has been a significant player throughout the Syrian conflict, providing backing to various opposition groups, especially the Syrian National Army, hosting the Syrian National Council, coordinating with the US and Gulf states, and maintaining direct leverage over northern Syria and groups like HTS. Analysts argue that the latest anti-Assad offensive could not have succeeded without at least Turkey’s tacit consent or “green light”, despite Turkish officials publicly denying involvement. Turkey’s priorities have included containing Kurdish forces, managing the refugee crisis, and influencing post-Assad political outcomes in Syria.

[Lordo]

Also he finds himself up shits creek.

[Get Real!]

Maximus,

It was an Anglo-American plan to oust Assad from the onset. The British in particular did all the “heavy lifting” because they loathe Russia more than anything, and wanted to wreck Russia’s Syrian alliance and their Med naval base.

It takes a lot of time, money and effort to resurrect all those jihadists that were walloped years earlier by the Russians into obscurity.

Syria was embargoed for years so there was no money in the country, let alone in measly Idlib where most of the Jihadists were concentrated.

Without the smuggling of weapons from the Ukraine and money funneled from US gifts to Ukraine, it could’ve never happened! (NB: All done before by the same protagonists in the form of “Al-Qaeda”)

Turkey, could’ve never pulled it off.

Btw... and why would Cyprus want to meet with the Jihadist punk out of the blue, if not to legitimize the ousting of Assad to appease the Anglo-Americans?

You think Cyprus was doing Turkey (the mastermind according to you) a favor?

If you insist that Turkey was the mastermind of the resurrection of the Jihadists and subsequent ousting of Assad, then I’m afraid you are also implying that Cyprus did Turkey a favor by meeting up with the Jihadist punk!

This fact alone destroys your theory!


Extra info:

During the first couple of years of the Ukraine war, the Brits were the absolute handlers of Zelenski.

They even moved him to London by the end of the first month to safeguard him from assassination, where they staged videos of him in a film studio with fake background posters of Kiev etc as part of the anti-Russia propaganda.

Under Brown, the Brits handled everything… including Biden’s blank cheques and allocations of funds/hardware/resources sent to the Ukraine from multiple sources.

The Brits took advantage of this massive surge of funds and military hardware to further their interests in other parts of the world including against Syria, Iran and elsewhere.

There’s no bigger conniving troublemaker on this planet than the Brits!

[Get Real!]

Back to Turkey’s encroachment which has just taken an interesting turn…

Syria asks Turkey for defense support after sectarian clashes, Turkish officials say
https://apnews.com/article/turkey-syria ... 07933b08de

A senior delegation of the Syrian Ministry of Defense visited Turkey’s Defense Industry Exhibition in the city of Istanbul…
https://s5.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/u ... G_7713.mp4

A convoy of trucks carrying brand-new Ejder 6×6 Turkish APCs moving somewhere in northern Syria…
https://s5.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/u ... -20-54.mp4

[Maximus]

Maximus,

It was an Anglo-American plan to oust Assad from the onset. The British in particular did all the “heavy lifting” because they loathe Russia more than anything, and wanted to wreck Russia’s Syrian alliance and their Med naval base.

It takes a lot of time, money and effort to resurrect all those jihadists that were walloped years earlier by the Russians into obscurity.

Syria was embargoed for years so there was no money in the country, let alone in measly Idlib where most of the Jihadists were concentrated.

Without the smuggling of weapons from the Ukraine and money funneled from US gifts to Ukraine, it could’ve never happened! (NB: All done before by the same protagonists in the form of “Al-Qaeda”)

Turkey, could’ve never pulled it off.

Btw... and why would Cyprus want to meet with the Jihadist punk out of the blue, if not to legitimize the ousting of Assad to appease the Anglo-Americans?

You think Cyprus was doing Turkey (the mastermind according to you) a favor?

If you insist that Turkey was the mastermind of the resurrection of the Jihadists and subsequent ousting of Assad, then I’m afraid you are also implying that Cyprus did Turkey a favor by meeting up with the Jihadist punk!

This fact alone destroys your theory!


Extra info:

During the first couple of years of the Ukraine war, the Brits were the absolute handlers of Zelenski.

They even moved him to London by the end of the first month to safeguard him from assassination, where they staged videos of him in a film studio with fake background posters of Kiev etc as part of the anti-Russia propaganda.

Under Brown, the Brits handled everything… including Biden’s blank cheques and allocations of funds/hardware/resources sent to the Ukraine from multiple sources.

The Brits took advantage of this massive surge of funds and military hardware to further their interests in other parts of the world including against Syria, Iran and elsewhere.

There’s no bigger conniving troublemaker on this planet than the Brits!

GR,

You claim that Assad’s ouster was solely an “Anglo-American plan” with Britain doing all the “heavy lifting” just oversimplifies quite a complex reality. Western countries, including the US and UK, did support Syrian opposition groups aiming to remove Assad, for many reason, partly to counter Russian influence in the region, or boost the defence industries or because they are "troublemakers" but they were just one part of a broader international coalition. Gulf states, Turkey, and internal Syrian actors played significant and central roles in arming and funding opposition forces, including jihadists.

While Syria was under embargo and economically constrained, significant funding and weapons flowed primarily through Gulf backers and regional networks, with Turkey serving as a the key logistical hub. Turkey’s role in supporting various opposition factions, including HTS linked groups, was decisive in eventually ousting Assad and taking control of the country. My view is supported by a lot of credible political analysts that also identified it as a major facilitator of opposition gains. Turkey is not and was not a negligible player in the Syria conflict.

Now on to Cyprus

Cyprus’s diplomatic engagement with Syria’s al-Sharaa occurred out of its own strategic and regional interest, primarily related to immigration, maritime and economic concerns. Not under Anglo-American coercion or as a favor to Turkey. The idea that Cyprus meeting Syrian leaders legitimizes Assad’s ousting on behalf of Western or Turkish plans is unsubstantiated and quite absurd. In fact Cyprus has been quite vocal to get the EU to take a more leading role in the situation in Syria and not to leave it to third country actors to decide and shape Syria's fate to Syria's and the EU's detriment.

In few words GR, no single state or bloc “masterminded” the outcome; attributing it solely to the the Anglo-Americans and dismissing Turkeys essential role is a disingenuous position in my opinion, quite boring and how would you put it, you got your head up the Anglo-Americans bum!

Now on to Ukraine

The claim that weapons were smuggled from Ukrainian aid needs substantiating and I dont think it is supported by any credible evidence.

[Get Real!]

You’re gonna have to make your mind up Maximus...

Because you’ve spent the past five years hell-bent on convincing us that Turkey is bankrupt, yet as of late you’re claiming that Turkey is responsible for all the Syrian upheaval!

The two theories are oxymoronic!

[Maximus]

You’re gonna have to make your mind up Maximus...

Because you’ve spent the past five years hell-bent on convincing us that Turkey is bankrupt, yet as of late you’re claiming that Turkey is responsible for all the Syrian upheaval!

The two theories are oxymoronic!

Make up my mind?

Turkey’s economic problems don’t negate its significant regional influence or role in Syria. A country can face internal economic difficulties yet still pursue ambitious foreign policy goals. Did you not think that the latter is a probably the cause for the former?

Well, I did.

Turkey’s military involvement and occupation of Syria and influence over Syrian opposition groups just demonstrate its central role in the conflict, regardless of her economic problems. The two are two different and distinct aspects of Turkey’s position.

[Maximus]

Now I just want you to take note GR, that you talk and make claims in absolute black and white terms.

For example:
> Turkey did nothing
> Its all the Anglo Americans fault
> Your claiming that Turkey is responsible for all the Syrian upheaval.

But what I am saying is:
> Turkey played a significant and central role
> The Anglo-Americans did support oppositions groups

[Get Real!]

We’re not gonna find the answer on the Internet Maximus, because the Anglo-Americans control the Internet so don’t expect them to ever admit to anything… just as they’ve never admitted to their creation of ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

It took tremendous investigative journalism and many years to pass, before this was exposed.

So instead we must use our intuition like a good lawyer would in a court of law, by asking some simple questions:

Q1. Who stood to benefit the most out of the ousting of Assad?

Q2. Who is capable of pulling off such a huge and expensive operation?

Motive:
I find the fact that the Anglo-Americans were suffering the most pain in the Ukraine and were desperate for ways to weaken Russia, to be the strongest of motives.

Additionally their pet Israel would benefit by eliminating an unfriendly neighbor.

Opportunity:
The Anglo-Americans (MI5/MI6/CIA) had the perfect opportunity for this operation with insane quantities of unaccounted funds and arms sent to the Ukraine.

Funds and arms that disappeared and later Trump would question Zelenski about but got no answer.

Capabilities:
The Anglo-Americans had the experience (ISIS and Al-Qaeda) and logistics capabilities (military bases everywhere) to pull this operation off unlike everyone else you mention.

Others:
I really can’t see Turkey pulling this off by themselves and I don’t care how many Western articles may be out there making such claims!

I also can’t see what benefit the Gulf States you mention stood to gain.

[Maximus]

I agree with what you are saying but its also important to remain unbiased and exercise good judgment, because everyone has an "opinion" and some people have good judgement and other bad judgement.

On top of that, all people have a certain level of brainwashing by the media they consume and naturally gravitate towards media that they agree with, or seek confirmation bias.

Lets be clear on that and the next thing;

When the Assad government cracked down on protests with lethal force, this escalated into armed rebellion and civil war well over a decade ago. Rebel groups united and received external foreign support. Foreign powers, including the Anglo-Americans, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia etc got involved, arming and funding various groups aligned with their strategic interests. They dont really care if they are jihadist head choppers or Kurdish choir boys. They are all pawns, tools and a means to an end.

With that said, if you put a gun to my head and asked me to pick whos fault this all was, I would say it is the Syrian people themselves and Turkey agitating the situation. Agitating the situation, pushing for "humanitarian corridors" that turned out to be land thefts, stealing and smuggling raw materials, providing logistical and economic support to Jihadists, pursuing a "zero problems with neighbours" policy or in other words, neo-ottoman ambitions, and so on.

Thats it.