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[Robin Hood]

A MoA update .......... a sensible assessment ...........

Pentagon Accuses Iran Of Shooting Down A Ukrainian Plane But Its Evidence Is Flimsy

But there were several flights out of Tehran in the early hours of January 8. The departure of flight PS752 was delayed. It took off at 6:12 local time. The airplane climbed out of Tehran airport in a rather straight line. The teams that man the Tor systems around Tehran must be used to the regular radar track of civil planes coming out of Tehran airport. That makes an accidental launch somewhat unlikely.
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As the Independent also noted:

Early theories about the cause of the crash focussed on engine failure. On Wednesday evening, a Reuters report, citing five intelligence officers, said the western intelligence community was minded to believe technical malfunction was the most likely reason. Ukraine’s embassy in Iran initially sided this way, ruling out the possibility of a missile attack, before hastily removing the statement.
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It is possible that an Iranian Tor system accidentally brought down the Ukrainian plane. It is also possible that it experienced an engine failure that ruptured the full fuel tanks and set it on fire. Something else like a bird strike may have cause engine damage. There are many other possibilities. We will have to wait for more evidence and for the results of the ongoing investigation to learn what really happened.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/pentagon-accuses-iran-of-shooting-down-a-ukrainian-plane-but-its-evidence-is-flimsy.html#more

[Robin Hood]

That 737 was coming down to earth in a fireball like a meteor. No amount of engine fire would have done that. If the pilots never declared an emergency, how the fuck the Iranians declared it was a “technical” problem. Then the Iranians few hours after the crash declared that the black boxes were found but damaged, which some information was corrupted. Say what?

It is obvious the plane had been shot down.

I was wondering why there were so many Canadians, Germans and British that were on that doomed flight from Tehran. It appears that most were Iranian nationals with duel citizenship, which makes most killed as Iranians.

No way the Black Box was destroyed. They are virtually indestructible.

'Virtually' .... that is the clue ......there are degrees of damage right up to total destruction! No one will know until they try to extract the data. The Iranians have apparently contacted Boeing to send people to extract the data ........ presumably under independent supervision/surveillance?

[Robin Hood]

LR.
I was going to reply to your 4 consecutive posts of the usual personal attacks but thought ...... f**k it, I have defended myself against the same accusations many times before over the years ....... and you are just not worth the effort!

[Londonrake]

LR.
I was going to reply to your 4 consecutive posts of the usual personal attacks but thought ...... f**k it, I have defended myself against the same accusations many times before over the years ....... and you are just not worth the effort!

Thank you. From long experience, I can say with some authority that when you're clearly wrong that's the best we can expect.

You get "the same accusations" because they continue to be true. Here's a quick one on hypocrisy (your top scorer):

Telling people they can't think for themselves and are brainwashed by the MSM. This from somebody who hasn't disagreed with a single edict that's emanated from Moscow/Tehran/Damascus/Pyongyang in the 10 years I've known him. Not one.

Now - why don't you trot off to one of your "independent" opinion shops and get a bespoke to fit today's events? Otherwise you'll be trapped into having to form one of your own.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis ..... any comment?

Not quite as isolated an incident after all ..... although in this instance an Airbus 380, not a Boeing, but the indications are very similar ........ comment is from another forum!

A post by Airbornewolf at russiadefence.net

This whole airliner crash made me remember Qantas flight 32. That A380 had some similarities.

1. A few minutes after take-off they lost control of one of their engines. It had oil leak causing the engine rev up uncontrollably until it catastrophically exploded.

2. Resulting shrapnel tore trough the cabin, it also tore trough a lot of flight control cables. Among other's, all communication systems went down, including GPS positioning and radio's. They only had one very basic VHF radio that remained.

3. The blowout compromised heavily the flight control systems, in Qantas 32 case. They lost among flaps also one hydraulic system and other engine's control systems where damaged too, resulting in loss in thrust in the remaining engines. Also the wing got perforated by the explosion and subsequent shrapnel resulting in fuel in the wing igniting. this later extinguished itself while the crew turned into an holding pattern while they where diagnosing the aircraft.

4. Even the Qantas crew did not realize what happened except for the loud bang they heard. and where working the flood of error messages in the flight computer. They learned of what happened with the engine when one of the flight attendants came up and told them the engine had disintegrated and tore trough the wing and cabin. The flight computer came up with critical messages faster as the 5 man pilot crew could work through.

5. Qantas HQ just got a burst of information of Flight 32's before it stopped completely. Reporting multiple system failures. Its similar as the abrupt failure of communications with the Iran airliner.

6. The Iranians mentioned the aircraft reported "technical problems". With Qantas Flight 32, before Engine 2 tore itself apart and send shrapnel trough the wing and cabin the instruments kept warning the engine was overheating.

So, i take this "Iran shot down an airliner" with an very big grain of salt as it has similarities with QF fight 32.

A related video ............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wBjhoh9Q1c

[cyprusgrump]

Paphitis ..... any comment?

Not quite as isolated an incident after all ..... although in this instance an Airbus 380, not a Boeing, but the indications are very similar ........ comment is from another forum!

A post by Airbornewolf at russiadefence.net

This whole airliner crash made me remember Qantas flight 32. That A380 had some similarities.

1. A few minutes after take-off they lost control of one of their engines. It had oil leak causing the engine rev up uncontrollably until it catastrophically exploded.

2. Resulting shrapnel tore trough the cabin, it also tore trough a lot of flight control cables. Among other's, all communication systems went down, including GPS positioning and radio's. They only had one very basic VHF radio that remained.

3. The blowout compromised heavily the flight control systems, in Qantas 32 case. They lost among flaps also one hydraulic system and other engine's control systems where damaged too, resulting in loss in thrust in the remaining engines. Also the wing got perforated by the explosion and subsequent shrapnel resulting in fuel in the wing igniting. this later extinguished itself while the crew turned into an holding pattern while they where diagnosing the aircraft.

4. Even the Qantas crew did not realize what happened except for the loud bang they heard. and where working the flood of error messages in the flight computer. They learned of what happened with the engine when one of the flight attendants came up and told them the engine had disintegrated and tore trough the wing and cabin. The flight computer came up with critical messages faster as the 5 man pilot crew could work through.

5. Qantas HQ just got a burst of information of Flight 32's before it stopped completely. Reporting multiple system failures. Its similar as the abrupt failure of communications with the Iran airliner.

6. The Iranians mentioned the aircraft reported "technical problems". With Qantas Flight 32, before Engine 2 tore itself apart and send shrapnel trough the wing and cabin the instruments kept warning the engine was overheating.

So, i take this "Iran shot down an airliner" with an very big grain of salt as it has similarities with QF fight 32.

A related video ............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wBjhoh9Q1c

Perhaps you should look it up on Wiki instead of one of your fantasy wankfest sites...?

[Londonrake]

Perhaps you should look it up on Wiki instead of one of your fantasy wankfest sites...?

"Confirmation bias
noun
the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories."

Paphitis ..... any comment?

Is that the same Paphitis whose recent comments you responded to with:

"You have the same naive and juvenile attitude as the Trump/Pompeo Mafia!"

"What you spout is mostly bullshit and just your opinion!"

I was going to reply to your 4 consecutive posts of the usual personal attacks .........................

What's that word?

[Kikapu]

Paphitis ..... any comment?

Not quite as isolated an incident after all ..... although in this instance an Airbus 380, not a Boeing, but the indications are very similar ........ comment is from another forum!

A post by Airbornewolf at russiadefence.net

This whole airliner crash made me remember Qantas flight 32. That A380 had some similarities.

1. A few minutes after take-off they lost control of one of their engines. It had oil leak causing the engine rev up uncontrollably until it catastrophically exploded.

2. Resulting shrapnel tore trough the cabin, it also tore trough a lot of flight control cables. Among other's, all communication systems went down, including GPS positioning and radio's. They only had one very basic VHF radio that remained.

3. The blowout compromised heavily the flight control systems, in Qantas 32 case. They lost among flaps also one hydraulic system and other engine's control systems where damaged too, resulting in loss in thrust in the remaining engines. Also the wing got perforated by the explosion and subsequent shrapnel resulting in fuel in the wing igniting. this later extinguished itself while the crew turned into an holding pattern while they where diagnosing the aircraft.

4. Even the Qantas crew did not realize what happened except for the loud bang they heard. and where working the flood of error messages in the flight computer. They learned of what happened with the engine when one of the flight attendants came up and told them the engine had disintegrated and tore trough the wing and cabin. The flight computer came up with critical messages faster as the 5 man pilot crew could work through.

5. Qantas HQ just got a burst of information of Flight 32's before it stopped completely. Reporting multiple system failures. Its similar as the abrupt failure of communications with the Iran airliner.

6. The Iranians mentioned the aircraft reported "technical problems". With Qantas Flight 32, before Engine 2 tore itself apart and send shrapnel trough the wing and cabin the instruments kept warning the engine was overheating.

So, i take this "Iran shot down an airliner" with an very big grain of salt as it has similarities with QF fight 32.

A related video ............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wBjhoh9Q1c

What we know to now, there are ZERO similarities to what happened to the Ukrainian plane crash in Iran vs. what we know exactly what had happened to Qantas 32!

[cyprusgrump]

Perhaps you should look it up on Wiki instead of one of your fantasy wankfest sites...?

"Confirmation bias
noun
the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories."

Paphitis ..... any comment?

Is that the same Paphitis whose recent comments you responded to with:

"You have the same naive and juvenile attitude as the Trump/Pompeo Mafia!"

"What you spout is mostly bullshit and just your opinion!"

I was going to reply to your 4 consecutive posts of the usual personal attacks .........................

What's that word?

Amazing, he'd pin it on Micky Mouse if he could!

[Londonrake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7r4VMTM2GE


Pitter patter, pitter patter. Cue Tyrants-R-Us apologist.