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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:12 pm

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With a bucket on your head the only place you can communicate is through your arsehole ! With those handicap's is it any wonder you are clueless and spew shit ? :lol: :lol:



I nearly forgot! Some of us clubbed together and bought you a hat for Christmas! :lol:
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:14 pm

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Paphitis wrote:QANTAS has never lost a hull in its entire history making the airline one of the safest in the world.

They actually came close when a B717 made a rough landing after severe wind shear during a convective monsoonal storm when landing in Darwin. The Air Frame was rippled to such an extent that it would cost less to buy a new aircraft, so the insurance underwriters wanted to write it up. In the end QANTAS spent 80 million to repair the aircraft which was only worth about 20 million so they could retain their impressive record.

they could have bought 4 B717s for that money.


I flew to Beijing a couple of times with Air China...

The first time was about a month after they had 'lost' (I think) an Airbus...

The safety video played and proudly proclaimed, "Air China velly safe aline, never lose aircraft"... Which didn't seem unreasonable given the timescale... :)

However, a year later I took the same flight (LHR Beijing) and the safety video came on... "Air China velly safe aline, never lose aircraft"... :lol:

Another 'feature' of the trip was despite being in a no-smoking section (upstairs on a 747-400) and the no-smoking signs being illuminated, as soon as we were wheels up leaving Heathrow half the crew came out of the cockpit and lit cigarettes! :lol:


Ah the memories!

OAt Olympic Airways, you would light up a cigarette in the cockpit with the doors closed and locked and with the no smoking signs on. :D

Coupled with a nice Greek Coffee or a Frappe! 8)
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:19 pm

Paphitis wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Paphitis wrote:QANTAS has never lost a hull in its entire history making the airline one of the safest in the world.

They actually came close when a B717 made a rough landing after severe wind shear during a convective monsoonal storm when landing in Darwin. The Air Frame was rippled to such an extent that it would cost less to buy a new aircraft, so the insurance underwriters wanted to write it up. In the end QANTAS spent 80 million to repair the aircraft which was only worth about 20 million so they could retain their impressive record.

they could have bought 4 B717s for that money.


I flew to Beijing a couple of times with Air China...

The first time was about a month after they had 'lost' (I think) an Airbus...

The safety video played and proudly proclaimed, "Air China velly safe aline, never lose aircraft"... Which didn't seem unreasonable given the timescale... :)

However, a year later I took the same flight (LHR Beijing) and the safety video came on... "Air China velly safe aline, never lose aircraft"... :lol:

Another 'feature' of the trip was despite being in a no-smoking section (upstairs on a 747-400) and the no-smoking signs being illuminated, as soon as we were wheels up leaving Heathrow half the crew came out of the cockpit and lit cigarettes! :lol:


Ah the memories!

OAt Olympic Airways, you would light up a cigarette in the cockpit with the doors closed and locked and with the no smoking signs on. :D

Coupled with a nice Greek Coffee or a Frappe! 8)


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Londonrake » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:57 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Media Bias/Fact Check - Moon of Alabama

Left bias and of mixed factuality due to anonymity of the owner ….. i.e. not the sources.

“Overall, we rate Moon of Alabama Left Biased based on story selection and word choices that consistently favor progressives and Mixed factually due to anonymity associated with who runs the site. Otherwise, Moon of Alabama is well sourced to credible/factual information. (M. Huitsing 6/6/2018)”


So, I guess he was right about the Iranians and Lockerbie then? Yeah, I know, a tricky one that. After all, if he's peddling conspiracy theories then what else?

Anonymity though? Bernhard Horstmann isn't anonymous. :? Most of his "insights" you've sanctimoniously posted on this thread are harvested straight from a front page Google. With a bit of jiggling about to defeat a search match and a few words added ("Trump's bluff"). He makes quite a nice living out of doing that, too. Other "opinions" are fed from the likes of RT and the I.R.A in St Petersburg, which is not at all like that state funded MI6 misinformation site Bellingcat.

Actually if you read the article from the site quoted, MoA is rated as very left biased. Bordering on "extreme".

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IIRC, when I produced a similar Wicki analysis - albeit embarrassingly critical ("populated by left wing bigot and conspiracy theorist articles") - for one of your favoured sites you contemptuously shrugged it off. Calling it "vandalism". What's that word?
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:38 pm

..there are three things which make an aircraft explode, and crash into little pieces: bombs, missiles, gas explosions (as in a wing falling off the plane).

...if it was engine failure, it would not have continued accelerating as was its regular course at the moment. The plane in such disasters would in affect fall from the sky, found in large pieces on the ground. While the blackboxes have not been analysed, the plane transmits many signals automatically while in flight; no such alarms were received, as would be normal.

It is not hard to imagine the "mistake" that has been suggested by Canada's Prime Minister. Nor is it hard to imagine that it was an act of revenge either, given Canada's relation with Iranians living there, and the regime in Iran; is it a coincidence that the passengers who were killed represent Iranians, not "Iranians"?

...were troops specifically ordered to stand-down in Iran, immediately after their attack on an "American" airbase? Was this mission a secret to the Iranian troops themselves? Are Iranian troops so well trained that they can anticipate their command's needs, in acting independently? Do they act independently, normally? The Iranian regime is quick to deny that the plane was shot down, perhaps what they should be denying is that they ordered no such attack?

Despite the tragedy of these events, providing a rational response, not excuses, serves Iran better.
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:30 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:..there are three things which make an aircraft explode, and crash into little pieces: bombs, missiles, gas explosions (as in a wing falling off the plane).

...if it was engine failure, it would not have continued accelerating as was its regular course at the moment. The plane in such disasters would in affect fall from the sky, found in large pieces on the ground. While the blackboxes have not been analysed, the plane transmits many signals automatically while in flight; no such alarms were received, as would be normal.

It is not hard to imagine the "mistake" that has been suggested by Canada's Prime Minister. Nor is it hard to imagine that it was an act of revenge either, given Canada's relation with Iranians living there, and the regime in Iran; is it a coincidence that the passengers who were killed represent Iranians, not "Iranians"?

...were troops specifically ordered to stand-down in Iran, immediately after their attack on an "American" airbase? Was this mission a secret to the Iranian troops themselves? Are Iranian troops so well trained that they can anticipate their command's needs, in acting independently? Do they act independently, normally? The Iranian regime is quick to deny that the plane was shot down, perhaps what they should be denying is that they ordered no such attack?

Despite the tragedy of these events, providing a rational response, not excuses, serves Iran better.


So really it is better to wait for a preliminary result from the various groups on the site and the data from the flight recorders? So far all the accusations being made are made without a shred of tangible/credible evidence. :roll:
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:11 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:..there are three things which make an aircraft explode, and crash into little pieces: bombs, missiles, gas explosions (as in a wing falling off the plane).

...if it was engine failure, it would not have continued accelerating as was its regular course at the moment. The plane in such disasters would in affect fall from the sky, found in large pieces on the ground. While the blackboxes have not been analysed, the plane transmits many signals automatically while in flight; no such alarms were received, as would be normal.

It is not hard to imagine the "mistake" that has been suggested by Canada's Prime Minister. Nor is it hard to imagine that it was an act of revenge either, given Canada's relation with Iranians living there, and the regime in Iran; is it a coincidence that the passengers who were killed represent Iranians, not "Iranians"?

...were troops specifically ordered to stand-down in Iran, immediately after their attack on an "American" airbase? Was this mission a secret to the Iranian troops themselves? Are Iranian troops so well trained that they can anticipate their command's needs, in acting independently? Do they act independently, normally? The Iranian regime is quick to deny that the plane was shot down, perhaps what they should be denying is that they ordered no such attack?

Despite the tragedy of these events, providing a rational response, not excuses, serves Iran better.


So really it is better to wait for a preliminary result from the various groups on the site and the data from the flight recorders? So far all the accusations being made are made without a shred of tangible/credible evidence. :roll:



That would make sense...

Except you (you mental) have already decided it is exactly the same as Qantas flight 32... An engine failure... :roll:

It is bizarre that both you and Milti really believe that I have a bucket on my head and attribute my posts to that... :roll:

You're like Mong and Monger! :lol:
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:49 am

cyprusgrump:
Except you (you mental) have already decided it is exactly the same as Qantas flight 32... An engine failure... :roll:


You are obviously not too bright! The indications WERE exactly the same, but going by the latest announcement from the Iranians, the cause was clearly very different in each case. Obviously I am more mentally astute than you to have been able to work it out!

BTW: The 'bucket on your head Avatar' could not be more appropriate in your case. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:18 am

It seems to be a very rare case where basically everyone was right. No doubt an Iranian military guy is sitting in a very unpleasant jail cell, awaiting his punishment for lying.

But SKY news, although giving credit to Iran for admitting their responsibility for this tragic error, are still trying to paint Iran in a bad light. Although they have related this event to the IR655 Iran Air incident and the difference in response between the Iranian response now and the US response to that accidental shooting down!

Now the ‘WHY’ and ‘HOW’ it happened has to be looked at.

Update this morning by MoA ........

Iranian Armed Forces Say They Inadvertently Shot Down The Ukrainian Plane

The Iranian Armed Forces General Staff just admitted (in Farsi) that its air defenses inadvertently shot down the Ukrainian flight PS 752 shortly after it took off on January 8 in Tehran (machine translation, slightly edited for readability):

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/iranian-armed-forces-say-they-inadvertently-shot-down-the-ukrainian-plane.html#more
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby cyprusgrump » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:25 am

Robin Hood wrote:It seems to be a very rare case where basically everyone was right. No doubt an Iranian military guy is sitting in a very unpleasant jail cell, awaiting his punishment for lying.

But SKY news, although giving credit to Iran for admitting their responsibility for this tragic error, are still trying to paint Iran in a bad light. Although they have related this event to the IR655 Iran Air incident and the difference in response between the Iranian response now and the US response to that accidental shooting down!

Now the ‘WHY’ and ‘HOW’ it happened has to be looked at.

Update this morning by MoA ........

Iranian Armed Forces Say They Inadvertently Shot Down The Ukrainian Plane

The Iranian Armed Forces General Staff just admitted (in Farsi) that its air defenses inadvertently shot down the Ukrainian flight PS 752 shortly after it took off on January 8 in Tehran (machine translation, slightly edited for readability):

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/iranian-armed-forces-say-they-inadvertently-shot-down-the-ukrainian-plane.html#more



Everybody except you obviously! :lol:

...but then you'll never admit that will you...? :roll:
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