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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:47 am

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Paphitis wrote:In 1974, the UK was actually interceding on the RoC's behalf within The Pentagon, and Washington DC all the way up to the US President and Kissinger in support of RoC interests and against Turkey's interests.

Explain that one. Someone please explain how this country is suppose to be our eternal enemy. I may be missing something here.

This isn't our eternal enemy. It's actually a real friend. More of a friend than Greece was in 1974 that's for sure.

Yet some of you think the UK are enemies of the State. How is that so?

I'm willing to accept the fact that the USA was the RoC's enemy in 1974. Kissinger completely screwed us and orchestrated the invasion even. That is a fact no one can deny.


You make a grave error! Nobody says that the UK is your enemy but they are not your friend when push comes to shove. Just like the US and Israel, they do just what suits them. Forget any idea that any of the three will come to the aid of a 'friend'. They will ALWAYS work solely in their own interests. If it came to selling out Australia to the Chinese if it avoided a conflict threatening US/UK interests ........ they would ! :roll: :wink:


Yes Pyro said that the UK will support Turkish interests at the expense of Cyprus when it comes to the Cyprus Issue and UNCLOS. That is completely untrue. They have never supported Turkish Interests at the RoC’s expense or undermined the RoV’s claim to its EEZ.

No they wouldn’t sell out Australia. We are 100% about this. Australia and USA are pretty much one country. Same as UK, NZ and Canada. There will be no selling out. Our interests are always in perfect alignment.

Plus we understand each other.

Another thing we know is that Israel will never sell us out either because they need us.
That’s the problem you have. When you refer to the USA you are not just referring to the 52 US States.

And for your information, Australian interests in China exceed those of the UK and USA. But USA and UK are more important for us as is Japan too. We all stick together. We do not have the same level of understanding or Trust with the Chinese.

In addition, USA has a lot of interests in Australia. If I told you what they have in Australia you would be in complete total shock. Harold E Holt is just the tip of the iceberg.

The USA does not have a good understanding with China and neither do the rest of us. And we never will as The South China Sea is the pre-cursor of might = right! In other words, it’s ok for Turkey to come along and swipe our EEZ.

Israel and Egypt have not done this. So what do we know about China and Israel? Who is more law abiding as far as the UNCLOS are concerned. Do you see now that your political views are extremely immature and simple?

But no one is going to fight the RoC’s war. The country that night is Israel because they will do whatever it takes to protect their Gas infrastructure.

There is also no obligation for the USA to do anything for Cyprus. There are however major obligations to NATI, Australia and Japan and the US will fight our wars and already have 45000 troops in Australia alone.

We trust them 100% they are our true friend. We know this. An attack on is is an attack on them.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:03 am

Here is an excellent article from the BBC which basically outlines the major points of the JIT Final Report in September 2016 which clearly states that MH17 crashes within 60 to 90 seconds after it was hit by a Russian BUK missile.

They also state that the BUK could have only been launched from an area of 320 sq kms. The entire area was Russian Rebel contrôlée.

The JIT have a list of 100 suspects, including the Commander of the Russian Rebels who posted on his social media that his forces were responsible for the shooting down of MH17 before he was forced to take it down after 2 hours.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28357880

But for the official reports, please proceed to the Dutch Safety Board which were responsible for the JIT.

https://onderzoeksraad.nl/en/onderzoek/ ... -july-2014

They have some great YouTube videos explaining the key findings.

They make it very clear, but without pointing the finger to lay blame, that Russian Rebels are the most likely to have shot down MH17. There is no mention of Ukrainian forces being involved at all.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:54 am

Paphitis; (FYI)

A third of Australia’s exports go to China! Commercially, you need China but militarily you are lock step with US foreign policy. As the article says ….. you may soon have to decide which side you are on. You can either prosper from trade alliances with China or stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the US and support US foreign policy against them …….. you won’t be able to sit on the fence for ever! Tough choice!
Australia’s 2018 geopolitical choice between the USA or China

Canberra has always deftly balanced between Beijing and Washington but it may soon need to choose one over the other.

http://theduran.com/australias-2018-geopolitical-choice-between-the-usa-or-china/
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:07 am

We are not interested in establishing any military relationship with China.

In the 90s Russia accounted for a huge chunk of Australian exports as did Iran, and Iraq. We stopped all trade with them overnight. If we did that to China, their entire economy will collapse whilst ours is a lot more diverse and resilient. We have no problem doing this. Money is just money. The Americans are our cousins.

India is a major trade partner. And China do not account for a third of our exports but they account for a big portion.

Our military ties are with the USA. Our treaties are with the USA. There is a good reason for that.

China will bully us and threaten us over the slightest thing. They will fish and drill in our EEZ.

They may one day try and invade us or invade Japan.

Australia and USA have very strong ethnic ties going back to Ireland and Prussia.

Australia’s geopolitical choice is USA and will always be USA. We have made sure that this will be the case indefinitely. Half our military facilities are even joint US facilities. Australia is the 53rd state.

Australia is also one of the 5 eyes!

And the UK will also be the same. We even share the same Head of State.

Corbyn can jump up and down all he likes but the facts are that the Deep State will never permit anyone to change the strategic reality. It’s just like when Tsipras became Greek PM everyone thought Greece would withdraw from NATO. It didn’t! Which means it never will.

In addition USA is an important trade partner too, as is Japan, South Korea and India. We will not abandon these partners for China, especially USA, Japan, South Korea etc as we are pretty much joined at the hip.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:04 pm

Paphitis:
We are not interested in establishing any military relationship with China.


I didn’t suggest you needed to but you will have to separate yourself from US foreign policy which is enforced by its military might if you still want to be on China's Christmas Card list!

In the 90s Russia accounted for a huge chunk of Australian exports as did Iran, and Iraq. We stopped all trade with them overnight. If we did that to China, their entire economy will collapse whilst ours is a lot more diverse and resilient. We have no problem doing this. Money is just money. The Americans are our cousins.


I think you are rather too trusting and optimistic!

India is a major trade partner. And China do not account for a third of our exports but they account for a big portion.


Once the link from Sakalin to Japan is built (being planned now) Japan will be on the new silk road. North and South Korea will also be on it as will a whole lot of countries. India, Iran, Kazakstan etc. etc. right through to the UK. I see that as the commercial future and as a result the US dollar will no longer be the world’s reserve currency ....... big problem for the US and the International Banking system in general.

Our military ties are with the USA. Our treaties are with the USA. There is a good reason for that.


Any treaties with the US are not worth very much as recent events have shown. From Iran in the 50’s , through the cold war and right through to current commercial and security agreements. These treaties are dumped when the US decides they want to change the terms.
China will bully us and threaten us over the slightest thing. They will fish and drill in our EEZ.


I doubt that very much. But I am sure that if the Chinese started to dictate to you or the US, what they would accept or would not except in waters adjacent to US or Australian territory .......... you wouldn’t listen either! :roll:

They may one day try and invade us or invade Japan.


Ahhhhhh, is that what you are defending against? It won’t happen. China and Russia do not have the same propensity for trying to rule the rest of the world that the US demonstrates. They are far more interested in trading goods/services that have mutual benefits.

Australia and USA have very strong ethnic ties going back to Ireland and Prussia.


Your ethnic ties are predominantly from the original settlers (criminals) who came from the UK and later Europe. The same goes for the US, they were European settlers. In both countries the ‘invaders’ have all but exterminated the indigenous peoples.

Australia’s geopolitical choice is USA and will always be USA. We have made sure that this will be the case indefinitely. Half our military facilities are even joint US facilities. Australia is the 53rd state.


Your relatives weren’t playing in the orchestra on the Titanic by any chance , were they?

Australia is also one of the 5 eyes!


You’ve lost me ...........

And the UK will also be the same. We even share the same Head of State
.

Yes, you are right but the UK is no longer a serious world power and the US is heading in the same direction. The Head of State in the UK has no political power, she is a tradition that is part of the UK’s heritage and may it long remain so.

Corbyn can jump up and down all he likes but the facts are that the Deep State will never permit anyone to change the strategic reality. It’s just like when Tsipras became Greek PM everyone thought Greece would withdraw from NATO. It didn’t! Which means it never will.


Nah ..... has nothing to do with military alliances. You are reverting back to the banking and financial system, which is completely dominated by US/UK institutions and that house of cards is also beginning to fall apart.

In addition USA is an important trade partner too, as is Japan, South Korea and India. We will not abandon these partners for China, especially USA, Japan, South Korea etc as we are pretty much joined at the hip.


All that being in NATO has done for Greece is to economically cripple them by spending far too much of their wealth on the same US sponsored ‘defence’ Australia has. Has NATO ever stopped the Turkish flights into Greek airspace? Or told Turkey to get out of Cyprus?



BTW: To get back on the original OP ...... have they found MH370 yet? Still think those looking now have information from the US military satellite system ! :roll: :D
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:22 pm

And here folks we have the agreement between the other partners of The Joint Investigation Team with Ukraine renouncing its legitimate dejure rights to head the crash investigation and to have Holland appointed as the investigation lead instead so as to:
1) not endanger the lives of the other partners or themselves, and
2) not provoke the Russians who were controlling the area.

https://onderzoeksraad.nl/en/onderzoek/ ... -july-2014

Agreement here:

https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/f ... ebsite.pdf

The above document specifically states that Ukraine has the dejure responsibilities to be lead investigator, but is unable to exercise its international rights and obligations because the area is not controlled by Ukrainian Government.

So stick with me folks for all the reliable official sources from the Joint Investigation Team! I will not post junk links, just official ICAO, DSB and JIT sources. :D
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:34 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:
We are not interested in establishing any military relationship with China.


I didn’t suggest you needed to but you will have to separate yourself from US foreign policy which is enforced by its military might if you still want to be on China's Christmas Card list!

In the 90s Russia accounted for a huge chunk of Australian exports as did Iran, and Iraq. We stopped all trade with them overnight. If we did that to China, their entire economy will collapse whilst ours is a lot more diverse and resilient. We have no problem doing this. Money is just money. The Americans are our cousins.


I think you are rather too trusting and optimistic!

India is a major trade partner. And China do not account for a third of our exports but they account for a big portion.


Once the link from Sakalin to Japan is built (being planned now) Japan will be on the new silk road. North and South Korea will also be on it as will a whole lot of countries. India, Iran, Kazakstan etc. etc. right through to the UK. I see that as the commercial future and as a result the US dollar will no longer be the world’s reserve currency ....... big problem for the US and the International Banking system in general.

Our military ties are with the USA. Our treaties are with the USA. There is a good reason for that.


Any treaties with the US are not worth very much as recent events have shown. From Iran in the 50’s , through the cold war and right through to current commercial and security agreements. These treaties are dumped when the US decides they want to change the terms.
China will bully us and threaten us over the slightest thing. They will fish and drill in our EEZ.


I doubt that very much. But I am sure that if the Chinese started to dictate to you or the US, what they would accept or would not except in waters adjacent to US or Australian territory .......... you wouldn’t listen either! :roll:

They may one day try and invade us or invade Japan.


Ahhhhhh, is that what you are defending against? It won’t happen. China and Russia do not have the same propensity for trying to rule the rest of the world that the US demonstrates. They are far more interested in trading goods/services that have mutual benefits.

Australia and USA have very strong ethnic ties going back to Ireland and Prussia.


Your ethnic ties are predominantly from the original settlers (criminals) who came from the UK and later Europe. The same goes for the US, they were European settlers. In both countries the ‘invaders’ have all but exterminated the indigenous peoples.

Australia’s geopolitical choice is USA and will always be USA. We have made sure that this will be the case indefinitely. Half our military facilities are even joint US facilities. Australia is the 53rd state.


Your relatives weren’t playing in the orchestra on the Titanic by any chance , were they?

Australia is also one of the 5 eyes!


You’ve lost me ...........

And the UK will also be the same. We even share the same Head of State
.

Yes, you are right but the UK is no longer a serious world power and the US is heading in the same direction. The Head of State in the UK has no political power, she is a tradition that is part of the UK’s heritage and may it long remain so.

Corbyn can jump up and down all he likes but the facts are that the Deep State will never permit anyone to change the strategic reality. It’s just like when Tsipras became Greek PM everyone thought Greece would withdraw from NATO. It didn’t! Which means it never will.


Nah ..... has nothing to do with military alliances. You are reverting back to the banking and financial system, which is completely dominated by US/UK institutions and that house of cards is also beginning to fall apart.

In addition USA is an important trade partner too, as is Japan, South Korea and India. We will not abandon these partners for China, especially USA, Japan, South Korea etc as we are pretty much joined at the hip.


All that being in NATO has done for Greece is to economically cripple them by spending far too much of their wealth on the same US sponsored ‘defence’ Australia has. Has NATO ever stopped the Turkish flights into Greek airspace? Or told Turkey to get out of Cyprus?



BTW: To get back on the original OP ...... have they found MH370 yet? Still think those looking now have information from the US military satellite system ! :roll: :D


Im not reading any of your lunatic responses anymore.

We understand very well how important our ally is. They have been here for us all the time and will be here for us in the future. we do not differentiate between us. There is honor and understanding between us. There is no honor or understanding between us and China or Russia and there will be a day where the world will be yearning for the USA.

And no, Greece was not bankrupted by NATO. Greece was saved by NATO. Greece would have had many wars with Turkey if it were not for NATO. Greece is only obligated to spend 2.2% of GDP but spends closer to 4% because of Turkey which would have been as lot more worse if Greece were not a member of NATO. In fact, Greece would have lost dozens of islands and about half the Aegean.

But more importantly, there were other things that took Greece down, not its expenditure on Defence which in its he day was a net contributor to the Greek Economy through Hellenic Defence Industries. Thousands of families were paid lucrative wages and were able to put bread and butter on the table.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:47 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:In 1974, the UK was actually interceding on the RoC's behalf within The Pentagon, and Washington DC all the way up to the US President and Kissinger in support of RoC interests and against Turkey's interests.

Explain that one. Someone please explain how this country is suppose to be our eternal enemy. I may be missing something here.

This isn't our eternal enemy. It's actually a real friend. More of a friend than Greece was in 1974 that's for sure.

Yet some of you think the UK are enemies of the State. How is that so?

I'm willing to accept the fact that the USA was the RoC's enemy in 1974. Kissinger completely screwed us and orchestrated the invasion even. That is a fact no one can deny.


You make a grave error! Nobody says that the UK is your enemy but they are not your friend when push comes to shove. Just like the US and Israel, they do just what suits them. Forget any idea that any of the three will come to the aid of a 'friend'. They will ALWAYS work solely in their own interests. If it came to selling out Australia to the Chinese if it avoided a conflict threatening US/UK interests ........ they would ! :roll: :wink:


Yes Pyro said that the UK will support Turkish interests at the expense of Cyprus when it comes to the Cyprus Issue and UNCLOS. That is completely untrue. They have never supported Turkish Interests at the RoC’s expense or undermined the RoV’s claim to its EEZ.

No they wouldn’t sell out Australia. We are 100% about this. Australia and USA are pretty much one country. Same as UK, NZ and Canada. There will be no selling out. Our interests are always in perfect alignment.

Plus we understand each other.

Another thing we know is that Israel will never sell us out either because they need us.
That’s the problem you have. When you refer to the USA you are not just referring to the 52 US States.

And for your information, Australian interests in China exceed those of the UK and USA. But USA and UK are more important for us as is Japan too. We all stick together. We do not have the same level of understanding or Trust with the Chinese.

In addition, USA has a lot of interests in Australia. If I told you what they have in Australia you would be in complete total shock. Harold E Holt is just the tip of the iceberg.

The USA does not have a good understanding with China and neither do the rest of us. And we never will as The South China Sea is the pre-cursor of might = right! In other words, it’s ok for Turkey to come along and swipe our EEZ.

Israel and Egypt have not done this. So what do we know about China and Israel? Who is more law abiding as far as the UNCLOS are concerned. Do you see now that your political views are extremely immature and simple?

But no one is going to fight the RoC’s war. The country that night is Israel because they will do whatever it takes to protect their Gas infrastructure.

There is also no obligation for the USA to do anything for Cyprus. There are however major obligations to NATI, Australia and Japan and the US will fight our wars and already have 45000 troops in Australia alone.

We trust them 100% they are our true friend. We know this. An attack on is is an attack on them.


Where?? When?? Show me.
Like I said you evolved into a master of fabricating thesis out of nothing, and then expecting everyone to follow...
Enough!
Are you sure you are not mentally disturbed?? :idea:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:53 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:In 1974, the UK was actually interceding on the RoC's behalf within The Pentagon, and Washington DC all the way up to the US President and Kissinger in support of RoC interests and against Turkey's interests.

Explain that one. Someone please explain how this country is suppose to be our eternal enemy. I may be missing something here.

This isn't our eternal enemy. It's actually a real friend. More of a friend than Greece was in 1974 that's for sure.

Yet some of you think the UK are enemies of the State. How is that so?

I'm willing to accept the fact that the USA was the RoC's enemy in 1974. Kissinger completely screwed us and orchestrated the invasion even. That is a fact no one can deny.


You make a grave error! Nobody says that the UK is your enemy but they are not your friend when push comes to shove. Just like the US and Israel, they do just what suits them. Forget any idea that any of the three will come to the aid of a 'friend'. They will ALWAYS work solely in their own interests. If it came to selling out Australia to the Chinese if it avoided a conflict threatening US/UK interests ........ they would ! :roll: :wink:


Yes Pyro said that the UK will support Turkish interests at the expense of Cyprus when it comes to the Cyprus Issue and UNCLOS. That is completely untrue. They have never supported Turkish Interests at the RoC’s expense or undermined the RoV’s claim to its EEZ.

No they wouldn’t sell out Australia. We are 100% about this. Australia and USA are pretty much one country. Same as UK, NZ and Canada. There will be no selling out. Our interests are always in perfect alignment.

Plus we understand each other.

Another thing we know is that Israel will never sell us out either because they need us.
That’s the problem you have. When you refer to the USA you are not just referring to the 52 US States.

And for your information, Australian interests in China exceed those of the UK and USA. But USA and UK are more important for us as is Japan too. We all stick together. We do not have the same level of understanding or Trust with the Chinese.

In addition, USA has a lot of interests in Australia. If I told you what they have in Australia you would be in complete total shock. Harold E Holt is just the tip of the iceberg.

The USA does not have a good understanding with China and neither do the rest of us. And we never will as The South China Sea is the pre-cursor of might = right! In other words, it’s ok for Turkey to come along and swipe our EEZ.

Israel and Egypt have not done this. So what do we know about China and Israel? Who is more law abiding as far as the UNCLOS are concerned. Do you see now that your political views are extremely immature and simple?

But no one is going to fight the RoC’s war. The country that night is Israel because they will do whatever it takes to protect their Gas infrastructure.

There is also no obligation for the USA to do anything for Cyprus. There are however major obligations to NATI, Australia and Japan and the US will fight our wars and already have 45000 troops in Australia alone.

We trust them 100% they are our true friend. We know this. An attack on is is an attack on them.


Where?? When?? Show me.
Like I said you evolved into a master of fabricating thesis out of nothing, and then expecting everyone to follow...
Enough!
Are you sure you are not mentally disturbed?? :idea:


Show you what?

With which part do you disagree and how do you propose I show you?

Can I show you common sense? I will nevertheless try, just tell we what you want to know.

Did you not say that the UK will always support Turkish Interests at the expense of RoC interests? Do you really want to make me go through the effort of showing you?

Did you also put your foot in it by stating that the UK supported the Orams over the legitimate property rights of the Apostolides Family? Did you also insinuate that the UK will work to undermine the RoC's UNCLOS rights to an EEZ?
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:53 pm

Robin Hood wrote:BTW: To get back on the original OP ...... have they found MH370 yet? Still think those looking now have information from the US military satellite system ! :roll: :D


This case smelled so fishy right from the start that imo everything they let us know so far is nothing but a lie.
I would bet anything they will NEVER find it.
i 've read your previous comment that there should have been inside info from US satellites as to where it actually is.
That's quite logical.
However in view of what happened so far, the so many lies and more likely to be deliberate efforts to direct the search to the most convenient place....
I am convinced the new search will end to nothing more than another waste of money through which some people will get rich at the expense of the Australian taxpayers.
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