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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Thu May 13, 2021 4:10 pm

Here is a sobering statistic.

Since 2001, a total of 2132 US Soldiers were killed in Afghanistan. That's an average of about 200 soldiers each year.

In 2020, 264 US Coppers were killed in the line of duty.

It's sobering when you consider there is more chance for a US Copper to be killed on the beat that it is for a soldier to be killed fighting the Taliban and other insurgents on foreign soil in real combat.

Go figure...

So yeh, being a cop in America is a tough gig and for very little reward I would imagine. Why would you want to do this job? :?
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Thu May 13, 2021 7:18 pm

Paphitis wrote:Here is a sobering statistic.

Since 2001, a total of 2132 US Soldiers were killed in Afghanistan. That's an average of about 200 soldiers each year.

In 2020, 264 US Coppers were killed in the line of duty.

It's sobering when you consider there is more chance for a US Copper to be killed on the beat that it is for a soldier to be killed fighting the Taliban and other insurgents on foreign soil in real combat.

Go figure...

So yeh, being a cop in America is a tough gig and for very little reward I would imagine. Why would you want to do this job? :?


Yeah but, you are comparing oranges and lemons again. In Afghanistan, the most US troops level we had at any one time was 100,000 for a short period of time. Most of the time, it has been less than 10,000 and hopefully zero soon. In the US, there are about 800,000 law enforce the officers, therefore, US soldiers getting killed in any war zone is much greater than police getting killed in the US. :wink:
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Lordo » Thu May 13, 2021 9:02 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Here is a sobering statistic.

Since 2001, a total of 2132 US Soldiers were killed in Afghanistan. That's an average of about 200 soldiers each year.

In 2020, 264 US Coppers were killed in the line of duty.

It's sobering when you consider there is more chance for a US Copper to be killed on the beat that it is for a soldier to be killed fighting the Taliban and other insurgents on foreign soil in real combat.

Go figure...

So yeh, being a cop in America is a tough gig and for very little reward I would imagine. Why would you want to do this job? :?


Yeah but, you are comparing oranges and lemons again. In Afghanistan, the most US troops level we had at any one time was 100,000 for a short period of time. Most of the time, it has been less than 10,000 and hopefully zero soon. In the US, there are about 800,000 law enforce the officers, therefore, US soldiers getting killed in any war zone is much greater than police getting killed in the US. :wink:

It would not be bad if he was doing that but he is not he is just being dumb and dumber at the same time. Here are some statistics

Total Line of Duty Deaths: 362
9/11 related illness 14
Aircraft accident 1
Assault 1
Automobile crash 19
COVID19 234
Drowned 4
Duty related illness 5
Gunfire 45
Gunfire (Inadvertent) 4
Heart attack 7
Heatstroke 1
Motorcycle crash 4
Struck by vehicle 8
Vehicle pursuit 2
Vehicular assault 13

Assault 1
Gunfire 45
Vehicular assault 13
Struck by vehicle 8
Total 67 and I bet very few of these were by a black person.

On the other hand here is another statistic:
In 2020 164 black people were killed in America by policemen.

Now here is another statistic.

Trump killed 589,696 people though ignorance and bloody minded stupidity.
in 21 years 58,220 soldiers died in Vietnam.

Now this speaks volumes.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu May 13, 2021 9:11 pm

...wow, COVID the biggest killer (by far).
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Londonrake » Thu May 13, 2021 9:24 pm

Lordo wrote:Trump killed 589,696 people though ignorance and bloody minded stupidity.


repulsewarrior wrote:...wow, COVID the biggest killer (by far).


Yes. Apparently though, some guy sitting on his keyboard in Nicosia has "absolute proof" that it was a US bio weapon, genetically engineered to just kill Chinese people. :eyecrazy: Have to admire their technical capabilities...... ehh?

You didn't know that?

Really? :?
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu May 13, 2021 9:45 pm

...indeed, COVID, the biggest cop killer; and one has to wonder without Trump's ignorance, how many would have died?
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Londonrake » Thu May 13, 2021 9:47 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, COVID, the biggest cop killer; and one has to wonder without Trump's ignorance, how many would have died?


Let me hazard a wild guess...................................................................589,696?
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Lordo » Thu May 13, 2021 10:30 pm

This is about the UK but it will give you an idea how many could have been saved here and the USA too. He was in the thick of things during the mad-cow disease and how incompetent's the government behaved then and instead of protecting the animals they decided to help it spread. BoZo did the same by putting nothing in place to block it coming in thought the airports. Then of course he sent old folks to the care homes from hospitals to empty beds and killed the old and the sick. Two birds with one stone as it were.

The Government could have saved more than 100,000 lives during the Coronavirus pandemic, the UK’s former chief scientist has told Byline Times.

Sir David King, who served as the Government’s Chief Scientific Advisor from 2000 to 2007, estimates that two-thirds of the estimated 150,000 deaths during the COVID-19 crisis could have been prevented, if the Government had implemented a strong, early lockdown during the first wave of the disease, alongside a more effective test, trace and isolate strategy.

“The [vaccine] roll-out has been understood literally as a lifesaver by the Government,” King told Byline Times. “It is a lifesaver.” However, other “lifesavers” have been missed by the Government. “How many deaths could have been avoided with quick action on find, test, trace, isolate and support, but also going into lockdown when it all became too desperate?… In excess of 100,000.”

Sir David places particular emphasis on the early months of the pandemic – from January to April – as the source of the UK’s high death toll.

“You’ve got to get ahead of a pandemic,” he said – pointing out that Chinese scientists published a definitive report on COVID-19, its transmission and its effect on humans, on 23 January 2020 – a full two months before Boris Johnson’s Government implemented the first nationwide lockdown.

“If this was the advice of a scientist or a scientists’ group, they must have been thinking in terms of herd immunity,” he added, referring to the idea that a disease should be allowed to spread among non-vulnerable members of a population – in theory allowing them to gain resistance.

Sir David pointed out that Atletico Madrid fans were allowed to attend a Champions League match at Anfield on 11 March last year, despite the Spanish Government banning these same fans from attending football matches in their own country, and said that the UK Government should have implemented a lockdown on 5 March, not 23 March.

“I’m over 80, and I really don’t like myself being written-off as of no value to society, because really that’s what it seems we’re saying if we’re going for herd immunity,” he said, while noting that thousands of people are now suffering from debilitating ‘Long COVID’, whereby they retain symptoms of the disease months after contracting it.

“I think the whole notion of herd immunity was wrong… I’m just stunned, because there seems to be no rational understanding of how to manage an epidemic,” Sir David added.

[youtube]https://bylinetimes.com/2021/05/13/government-could-have-saved-more-than-100000-lives-during-pandemic-says-former-chief-scientist/?fbclid=IwAR0ghLLDpQNv4hqJdXi1s3IXBjZ7dvM0cP3I3Seo7xLiqBa_npBUAsS9vO8[/youtube]
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Fri May 14, 2021 9:30 am

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:The problem is, the cops do not treat everyone the same way, and when certain group of people constantly get harassed by the police and have their rights abused, then they end up confronting the police and not trust the police to not be harmed by them and be arrested for victimless “crimes”. Look at how the police made their first contact with Floyd, which was officer had his gun on Floyd’s head as he sat in his car for allegedly passing $20 counterfeit money, to which escalated him being murdered. I doubt the police would have reacted the same way to you or me under the same circumstances.

By the way, the breakdown on the cops dying in line of duty in 2020, only about 50 are gun related. The rest are various other reasons not having direct contact with suspects, including Covid-19 cases. That is a small number vs.the 1,000 suspects the cops shoot and kill each year.


2020 was one of the deadliest years for law enforcement officers on record

By Harmeet Kaur, CNN
Updated 1234 GMT (2034 HKT) January 12, 2021
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Firearms-related deaths were second most common.

After Covid-19, getting shot was the second most common cause of line of duty deaths last year.
Forty-eight officers were shot and killed on the job last year, compared to 51 in 2019, the report stated. Thirty of those officers were killed by a handgun, 13 were killed by a rifle and one was killed with their own weapon. The type of weapon used in the four other deaths is not yet known.

The largest number of firearms-related deaths came while officers were investigating a suspicious person or activity, with 11 such fatalities. Seven were responding to domestic disturbance calls.
Traffic-related incidents were the third leading cause of line of duty deaths, though the number has been trending down in decades, according to the report.

Last year, 44 officers were killed in traffic incidents, with 18 in crashes with another vehicle, 15 struck on the side of the road, eight in single vehicle crashes and three in motorcycle crashes. In 2019, 43 officers died in traffic incidents.
Overall, city law enforcement officers were the hardest hit last year, with 122 line of duty deaths, the report stated. Next were sheriffs with 68 deaths, followed by 31 state and highway patrol deaths.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/12/us/2 ... index.html


Nonsense they don't treat everyone the same.

Facts are, if you are no threat to them, I don't see how any cop could possibly pull out a gun or tazer. If you are a threat, then it could happen. depends on the situation.

If people just chill out and act decently, then there is zero chance of getting shot. if you're holding a gun or other lethal weapon, then you are taking a big chance there.

Cops are the same everywhere.

Australian cops are not immune from bashing people around in custody or having an "accident" down a dangerous staircase.

It depends on how you behave. They wouldn't doing it for the sake of being arseholes if you are not an arsehole.

A Cypriot girl from Melbourne got the royal treatment by Victorian Police last year when she was being a right royal bitch to police at a check point. They waved her through but the next day, she copped it big time and those police were not friendly. They smashed her window and dragged her out by the neck and hair.



The problem is, when citizens exercise their constitutional rights when the police stop them, police often see this as a threat to their authority and power. Of course the police have the right to defend themselves if they are threatened, but in a lot of the cases, the police have shot first and asked questions later with certain suspects from certain ethnic groups which the police tends to instigate the situation to draw strong reaction from the suspects to engage more intrusively than just a simple traffic stop for a tail light violation for example.

I have been stopped several times in my 25 years in the US and also during my many repeated trips to the US since no longer living there, in which in some cases I was issued tickets for speeding, or just been given a lecture on speeding and no ticket, or given a ticket with reduced speed so that I am able to attend traffic school so that no point would be on my driving record and the fine would also be less. Each time no abuse of police power. But not all the people get the same treatment even when they do cooperate with the police as the police have some preconceived images with certain groups, so they dig into deeper turning a simple traffic stop into a witch-hunt. After few of these, then people tend to react as soon as they are pulled over and then in some cases, the shit hits the fan, and so, not all the citizens are treated equally when they are pulled over or stopped on the streets when just walking. Blacks and Hispanics have it worse than other groups in the US.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Lordo » Fri May 14, 2021 12:30 pm

Lordo wrote:This is about the UK but it will give you an idea how many could have been saved here and the USA too. He was in the thick of things during the mad-cow disease and how incompetent's the government behaved then and instead of protecting the animals they decided to help it spread. BoZo did the same by putting nothing in place to block it coming in thought the airports. Then of course he sent old folks to the care homes from hospitals to empty beds and killed the old and the sick. Two birds with one stone as it were.

The Government could have saved more than 100,000 lives during the Coronavirus pandemic, the UK’s former chief scientist has told Byline Times.

Sir David King, who served as the Government’s Chief Scientific Advisor from 2000 to 2007, estimates that two-thirds of the estimated 150,000 deaths during the COVID-19 crisis could have been prevented, if the Government had implemented a strong, early lockdown during the first wave of the disease, alongside a more effective test, trace and isolate strategy.

“The [vaccine] roll-out has been understood literally as a lifesaver by the Government,” King told Byline Times. “It is a lifesaver.” However, other “lifesavers” have been missed by the Government. “How many deaths could have been avoided with quick action on find, test, trace, isolate and support, but also going into lockdown when it all became too desperate?… In excess of 100,000.”

Sir David places particular emphasis on the early months of the pandemic – from January to April – as the source of the UK’s high death toll.

“You’ve got to get ahead of a pandemic,” he said – pointing out that Chinese scientists published a definitive report on COVID-19, its transmission and its effect on humans, on 23 January 2020 – a full two months before Boris Johnson’s Government implemented the first nationwide lockdown.

“If this was the advice of a scientist or a scientists’ group, they must have been thinking in terms of herd immunity,” he added, referring to the idea that a disease should be allowed to spread among non-vulnerable members of a population – in theory allowing them to gain resistance.

Sir David pointed out that Atletico Madrid fans were allowed to attend a Champions League match at Anfield on 11 March last year, despite the Spanish Government banning these same fans from attending football matches in their own country, and said that the UK Government should have implemented a lockdown on 5 March, not 23 March.

“I’m over 80, and I really don’t like myself being written-off as of no value to society, because really that’s what it seems we’re saying if we’re going for herd immunity,” he said, while noting that thousands of people are now suffering from debilitating ‘Long COVID’, whereby they retain symptoms of the disease months after contracting it.

“I think the whole notion of herd immunity was wrong… I’m just stunned, because there seems to be no rational understanding of how to manage an epidemic,” Sir David added.

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/05/13/government-could-have-saved-more-than-100000-lives-during-pandemic-says-former-chief-scientist/?fbclid=IwAR0ghLLDpQNv4hqJdXi1s3IXBjZ7dvM0cP3I3Seo7xLiqBa_npBUAsS9vO8
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