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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:40 pm

To get back to the OP: :roll:

Well Paphitis, it looks like we are on opposite sides of the fence again? I see the Israeli actions in Palestine as nothing less than acts of war, abetted by a Zionist dominated US and as condemned by the majority of countries represented in the UN and numerous UNSC and UNGA directives/resolutions since the Zionists invaded Palestine in 1948.

It looks like maybe the United Nations is at last beginning to grow some!!!

Against a unanimous vote of 14-0 in the UNSC, which the US vetoed, the UN is now introducing (Today?) in the UNGA, a virtually identical proposal which it is expected to win an overwhelming majority in favour of rescinding Trumps declaration of Jerusalem being recognised as the Zionists undivided capital. Of course the US being what they are, now resort to threats against the UN member states.

Have you noticed how quiet China and Russia have been on the subject? I think they are allowing US arrogance to unreel enough rope so that they will eventually hang themselves.

This recognition will never happen and a lot of people will die resisting it.

Nikki Haley Threatening UN Members: Trump 'Will Be Watching' Who Votes Against U.S. Recognition of Jerusalem

U.S. envoy's letter, obtained by Haaretz, sent one day before resolution rejecting U.S. move expected to pass by sweeping majority at the General Assembly

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48466.htm



And Trump on how to win friends and influence people ...... :lol: :lol:


Trump threatens to cut aid over UN Jerusalem vote - Al Jazeera;

US President Donald Trump has threatened to cut aid to countries that vote in favour of a draft UN resolution condemning the US decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Trump said at the White House on Wednesday the US would be "watching those votes" in the General Assembly.

"They take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars, and then they vote against us. Well, we're watching those votes. Let them vote against us. We'll save a lot. We don't care," Reuters news agency quoted Trump as saying.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/trump-threatens-cut-aid-jerusalem-vote-171220173323324.html



and .......... the predictable Israeli MO. The problem is that if you give Zionists an inch they will take a mile and they will grab all they can ....... we have seen that theft in action in Palestine since 1948. Cypriots should be very wary of their new found friends ...... they use people! :wink:

A Good Year for Israel and Its Friends, a bad year for the U.S. Constitution - By Philip Giraldi

The unfortunate Donald Trump Administration decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel serves no visible American interest, in spite of what some of the always-loyal-to-Israel punditry has been suggesting. Israel is already moving to exploit the situation in its usual fashion.

Immediately after the announcement was made, Israeli Ambassador in Washington Ron Dermer suggested that the decision on Jerusalem could now be extended to include other disputed areas, most particularly Syria’s Golan Heights that were occupied in 1967. And the decision on Jerusalem itself will quite likely prove elastic as the Israeli government has already prepared legislation to incorporate large chunks of settlements into the city limits, far beyond the historic boundaries.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48467.htm

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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:38 pm

Kikapu wrote:I don't think Trump woke up one morning and decided to declare Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel. Without getting into to whom Jerusalem belongs to as to who has the more religious rights to it, I believe there is a bigger reasons behind this movement by the US at this time in history. Who in their right mind would want to create such an uproar for nothing? Now that Syrian war is winding down with the US having planted itself there (along with Russia) with the help of the Kurds and no longer has needs for the bases in Turkey or Turkey's permission what it can and cannot do in the region by using those bases, I see many more conflicts starting deliberately in the region, and the Jerusalem issue will be the catalyst for future conflicts. Personally, I see Turkey in the cross-hairs of the USA as starters. All this will have a direct effect in what happens in Cyprus's future. Personally, I think this will benefit Cyprus and us Cypriots in the long run..


The really good thing about the Greek, Cyprus and Israel axis Kikapu is the fact that the Israelis are also proceeding with plans to build a pipeline from Israel, to Cyprus and then Greece and onwards to feed into the EU Gas Grid.

They are going to completely bypass Turkey.

Also, an American company (Noble) seems to have most of the Israeli and Cyprus gas under its lease.

Turkey just got check mated. What can Turkey do? Interfere with American Drilling? :lol:

I think it is only a matter of time now before other countries start moving their consular operations from Tel Aviv to the Capital Jerusalem. Just give it a couple of years and everyone will get use to it and understand that Jerusalem is Israel's Capital city.
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Kikapu » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:28 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:I don't think Trump woke up one morning and decided to declare Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel. Without getting into to whom Jerusalem belongs to as to who has the more religious rights to it, I believe there is a bigger reasons behind this movement by the US at this time in history. Who in their right mind would want to create such an uproar for nothing? Now that Syrian war is winding down with the US having planted itself there (along with Russia) with the help of the Kurds and no longer has needs for the bases in Turkey or Turkey's permission what it can and cannot do in the region by using those bases, I see many more conflicts starting deliberately in the region, and the Jerusalem issue will be the catalyst for future conflicts. Personally, I see Turkey in the cross-hairs of the USA as starters. All this will have a direct effect in what happens in Cyprus's future. Personally, I think this will benefit Cyprus and us Cypriots in the long run..


The really good thing about the Greek, Cyprus and Israel axis Kikapu is the fact that the Israelis are also proceeding with plans to build a pipeline from Israel, to Cyprus and then Greece and onwards to feed into the EU Gas Grid.

They are going to completely bypass Turkey.

Also, an American company (Noble) seems to have most of the Israeli and Cyprus gas under its lease.

Turkey just got check mated. What can Turkey do? Interfere with American Drilling? :lol:

I think it is only a matter of time now before other countries start moving their consular operations from Tel Aviv to the Capital Jerusalem. Just give it a couple of years and everyone will get use to it and understand that Jerusalem is Israel's Capital city.


Few months ago, I stated on another forum format that Trump may be the best thing happened to Cyprus with it's problems with Turkey, hence I don't think the RoC is going to be in a hurry to make any kind of agreement for a settlement that suits Turkey.

Turkey was willing to build a gas pipeline from Israel to Turkey via the EEZ of Cyprus, but if it were to happened, it was always going to be a secondary pipeline for Israel. The primary will be from Israel via Cyprus to Greece. Egypt might also send it's gas through this pipeline. The way Turkey is treating Israel again, Turks must have been told by the Israelis to "kiss off".

I get the feeling, Trump is getting ready to bail the USA out of the UN and let the rest of the world deal with it by paying for it if they want to remain members. Then watch the UN implode in itself without the USA. I think Trump is ready to tell the UN and it's members to "kiss off" also. As I've said, there's more to this than just Trump wanting the USA to recognize Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel. It was also strange that Israel was the only supporter of the recognition of Kurdistan in their recent referendum. These are not isolated and unconnected events. Something is brewing and I think the demise of the UN is fast approaching. Then it will become, every country for themselves. Then the end of NATO also. Oh shit, Turkey is fcuked! :wink:
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Cap » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pm

But as for the West Bank, Israel must stop any further colonization and even destroy and relocate any settlers from the area. Israeli actions here are indeed deplorable.


You do realize the West Bank was conquered by Israel during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war from JORDAN, not Palestine.
You do realize the West Bank was JORDANIAN ARAB territory recognized by Britain prior 1967.
Please tell me you understand this Paphitis,
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:24 pm

UNGA Vote on Jerusalem

138 for ....... 9 against ..... and 35 abstentions.


The vote against Trumps declaration to recognise Jerusalem as the undivided capital of the Jewish State was carried. So, although this is not enforceable as with a UNSC resolution, it does have political clout. It is obvious that had the US not threatened small States with financial penalties and loss of US aid if they voted against the US stand, many of those that abstained or even voted against the motion, would have voted for it.

Morally, even if not enforceable, it shows the feelings of the majority of UN member states oppose the US/Israeli declaration. So I don't think many embassies will be moving there anytime soon. :roll:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12 ... -assembly/

Kikapu:

I get the feeling, Trump is getting ready to bail the USA out of the UN and let the rest of the world deal with it by paying for it if they want to remain members. Then watch the UN implode in itself without the USA. I think Trump is ready to tell the UN and it's members to "kiss off" also. As I've said, there's more to this than just Trump wanting the USA to recognize Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel. It was also strange that Israel was the only supporter of the recognition of Kurdistan in their recent referendum. These are not isolated and unconnected events. Something is brewing and I think the demise of the UN is fast approaching. Then it will become, every country for themselves. Then the end of NATO also. Oh shit.


IMO: I think you have a point, the US will eventually walk out on the UN when they realise they can no longer manipulate the UN to serve their (and Israel’s) interests. But I see a different outcome. Whilst the US is the single largest contributor to the UN the loss of their contribution would not be a catastrophe and there is a lot of money wasted within the UN needlessly.

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2016/07/20160715_UN.jpg

You will note from the above chart that Russia, China, Australia, Canada and other fairly wealthy countries don’t even make the top ten. The UK pays just over $500m and is 9th, as opposed to the US’s $1,650m, followed by India’s $1,300m.

If the US walks out it will be isolated and Israel along with them. They will say good-bye to their 800+ overseas military installations and facilities as the UN will impose sanctions on the US. They will no longer have political or diplomatic influence on the World Stage but will have to abide by International Laws (and Maritime Law) drawn up by the UN. A bit like the UK’s problems with leaving the EU. The US would effectively become an isolationist and rogue state. It would see most of its foreign influence transferred to Russia/China/India etc. as these countries become increasingly more powerful economically, politically and militarily.

They will either try to go it alone or will become more aggressive as they see their power base collapse. Their control over the Worlds resources will rapidly decline and the retraction of their influence on international commerce ....... the Banking sector in particular will collapse. (that has already started) They cannot threaten other countries because they are no longer top dog and would face resistance from the Nations of the UN backed by increasing Russian and Chinese, military power.

This will require the UN to become much more assertive which they can do without their domination by the US and Israel calling the tune all the time. The UN will no longer just be there to put a face of legitimacy on their claim to be ‘the exceptional and indispensable Nation’. They will have to play by international rules.

I agree with you that NATO will also disintegrate but as a result of that, tensions between the EU countries and Russia will disappear. I keep seeing/reading all about the threats from Russia but never do those that make this accusation ever produce any factual evidence to support them. The same will happen with China as it will learn to live with its neighbours in relative harmony with a powerful UN acting as a mediator in disputes rather than one powerful nation settling disputes to suit its own interests.

So I see the same as you in principal but see that there could be a vastly different outcome. Purely my opinion of course! :roll: :wink:
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Get Real! » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:05 pm

Top marks to Trump for pulling off the impossible; he managed to unite the world...

...against him! :)


The new American axis... Israel, Guatemala, Honduras, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Togo! :)

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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:19 am

The day after the UN vote… :)

Trump: “Get me that list of hundreds of US aid recipients and I’ll show them!”

Assistant: “There you go sir…”

Trump: “I said the list of US aid recipients, not the list of twenty 3rd world losers!”

Assistant: “Err… that *is* the list of US aid recipients sir!”

Trump: “Are you saying that I threatened the entire planet that I’d cut their aid when only 20 shitholes are in receipt of it?”

Assistant: “Yup… you sure did sir!”

Trump: “YOU’RE FIRED!”

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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:13 am

UNGA Vote on Jerusalem

138 for ....... 9 against ..... and 35 abstentions. Correction ..... it was 128 for! :oops:
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:17 am

I heard that they had a problem putting on a Nativity Play this year at the White House.

They had more donkey's than they could deal with but failed to find ........ three wise men! :wink: :D
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Re: The US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:05 am

This may be of interest to some:

An article/e-mail on procedures related to the UNSC and UNGA and their implications in International Law. It is more about Crimea than Trumps declaration on Jerusalem but the connection between UN procedures and the application of International Law appears similar.

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