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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:13 pm

Londonrake wrote:The Kremlin issued lots of bellicose, dire warnings about any Western action in Syria. Echoed by the faithful (and BBC :lol: ). It would be WW3! Ships and aircraft would be targeted! People here would be panic shopping. DEFCON 1!

What happened at the event. Zilch. Egg on face?

How to save it.................... face.

It’s what I said in the past… Putin is too placid. Any other person with such military power wouldn’t tolerate missiles flying in their direction.

The planet is “lucky” in that respect, but for how long?

However, Putin’s placidity disturbs the balance of power making the situation very dangerous because...

The Americans are constantly emboldened by his placidity (just as your post foolishly celebrates and brags) to commit more and more criminal acts but a sudden change in Russian leadership (ie: coup) or direction (sudden change in Putin himself) could be catastrophic for the planet.
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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:15 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:Syrian Army hands over two intact US cruise missiles that failed to detonate to Russian military – reports

Send them to Paphitis for analysis… I’ll lend him my screwdriver set. :lol:
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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

Postby Londonrake » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:29 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Londonrake wrote:The Kremlin issued lots of bellicose, dire warnings about any Western action in Syria. Echoed by the faithful (and BBC :lol: ). It would be WW3! Ships and aircraft would be targeted! People here would be panic shopping. DEFCON 1!

What happened at the event. Zilch. Egg on face?

How to save it.................... face.

It’s what I said in the past… Putin is too placid. Any other person with such military power wouldn’t tolerate missiles flying in their direction.

The planet is “lucky” in that respect, but for how long?

However, Putin’s placidity disturbs the balance of power making the situation very dangerous because...

The Americans are constantly emboldened by his placidity (just as your post foolishly celebrates and brags) to commit more and more criminal acts but a sudden change in Russian leadership (ie: coup) or direction (sudden change in Putin himself) could be catastrophic for the planet.


But I don't "brag". The Russians made it quite clear. Any intervention by the West in Syria would be met by deadly force and could well precipitate WW3. It was BS and has been exposed as such. I mean - did you think that would happen?

You're a clever guy. Analytical. Look it up. Do the math. Look at a map and the stats.

What happened didn't turn me into a prepper :wink:

Everybody has come out of it Kool. They can all brag about their part in what was really a small raid on some Syrian infrastructure. Most of it evacuated in advance - if you believe the "independent" sites.

All this playground BS about weapons is just that.

BTW. Anymore "adventures of a techie?". I'm actually a big fan. No, really! :D
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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:02 pm

Paphitis wrote:You are completely wrong. The Guidance systems are all used simultaneously, but they can also be standalone. The Tomahawk does not need GPS at all to reach its target. In fact, the Tomahawk does not use GPS at all because its integrity can't be guaranteed, but they have the option of using GPS when they are targeting certain threats like terrorists. They do not use it with a technologically advance opponent.

GPS isn't the preferred method. I thought it was too, but the main guidance system is the TERCOM and the DSMAC, or the 3D imaging. That is how the Tomahawk gets its accuracy and even finds the target.

TERCOM is not only used to adjust altitude. It is also used to plot the missile on a moving 3D contour map with total precision.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... QPw2RFpQSM

TERCOM data is information that may be used as a
backup navigation mode
in predicted areas of localized global positioning system (GPS)
jamming. Finally, DSMAC software is a navigational update system that “compares
binarized ground reference information loaded into the missile prior to launch...
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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:06 pm

Paphitis wrote:
No not very likely.

And there is no way the missiles can be diverted. You need to read the link I posted earlier. These Cruise Missiles have their own inbuilt and self contained guidance systems. GPS is only one part of that and it isn't the main means of navigation and it certainly does not guide the missile onto the target.

There are so many aircraft that use TERCOM. The F111 was one and the Tornado is another. The Russians are unable to divert them.

Watch from 12 minutes onwards. 26 minutes for how it prosecutes the target. It describes the weapon as more like an Aircraft rather than a Missile.



The video is so elementary in the way the Tomahawks navigate to the point that is even childish.
Did you really learn from this???
If yes what do you think of what it says at the 38.00 timeline? Is that right or wrong or is the narrator confused?

The only thing it explains correctly is the theoretical way in which contour lines can be used to navigate via TERCOM .
Yet it tells nothing of the difficulties it might encounter in practice as for example sensitivity errors in velocity, heading, terrain whose profile is not unique etc. Let's leave aside the fact that Tercom navigation is impossible over the sea,or in the desert. Let's put aside the fact that the rule is that you cannot collect Tercom data to load it in it's memory by intruding the enemy's territory. [Unless of course you rely on data from Google Earth :lol: ]
Here's a question for you. Assume it cannot use GPS positioning data.
What would happen when for any of the above reasons the contour lines it detects on it's path differ from those it has in memory?
Contour lines are not round circles you know. It will revert to INS to correct it's path right? But INS itself carries it's own inaccuracies.
So what do you think will happen next?

You can read more about the tercom disadvantages in wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERCOM

In summary these missiles are very effective only when you can intrude the enemy territory with almost no resistance, (like in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan) collect all the data you want even photograph the targets themselves, have no GPS jam, while the targets are fixed on the ground.
Kind of hard to ever get such great "weather" in a real war..
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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:17 pm

Paphitis wrote: There are so many aircraft that use TERCOM. The F111 was one and the Tornado is another.


Could you please give me the links to that info? I want to check the role of the pilot
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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:30 pm

Londonrake wrote:But I don't "brag". The Russians made it quite clear. Any intervention by the West in Syria would be met by deadly force and could well precipitate WW3. It was BS and has been exposed as such. I mean - did you think that would happen?


Link?
The statement that it could lead to WWIII was referring to the case the West would attack the Russians in Syria, yes I heard that. Do you think it wouldn't happen??
In any case please provide the link for the other part.
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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

Postby Londonrake » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:23 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Londonrake wrote:But I don't "brag". The Russians made it quite clear. Any intervention by the West in Syria would be met by deadly force and could well precipitate WW3. It was BS and has been exposed as such. I mean - did you think that would happen?


Link?
The statement that it could lead to WWIII was referring to the case the West would attack the Russians in Syria, yes I heard that. Do you think it wouldn't happen??
In any case please provide the link for the other part.


There seem to be quite a number of unsupported claims within this thread. However:

"Russia’s ambassador to Lebanon said any U.S. missiles fired at Syria would be shot down and the launch sites targeted, a step that could trigger a major escalation in the Syrian war"

"The Russian military said on March 13 that it would respond to any U.S. strike on Syria, targeting any missiles and launchers involved in such an attack."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKBN1HI0PU

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 98941.html

That seems fairly unequivocal to me. Any strike on Syria will result in missiles and launch platforms being attacked.

It's something both sides have a vested interest in keeping quiet but reports have been leaking out for some time now which suggest that quite a few Russians and Americans have been killed in Syria.
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Re: US launches missile strikes on Syria

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:50 am

Londonrake wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Londonrake wrote:But I don't "brag". The Russians made it quite clear. Any intervention by the West in Syria would be met by deadly force and could well precipitate WW3. It was BS and has been exposed as such. I mean - did you think that would happen?


Link?
The statement that it could lead to WWIII was referring to the case the West would attack the Russians in Syria, yes I heard that. Do you think it wouldn't happen??
In any case please provide the link for the other part.


There seem to be quite a number of unsupported claims within this thread. However:

"Russia’s ambassador to Lebanon said any U.S. missiles fired at Syria would be shot down and the launch sites targeted, a step that could trigger a major escalation in the Syrian war"

"The Russian military said on March 13 that it would respond to any U.S. strike on Syria, targeting any missiles and launchers involved in such an attack."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKBN1HI0PU

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 98941.html

That seems fairly unequivocal to me. Any strike on Syria will result in missiles and launch platforms being attacked.

It's something both sides have a vested interest in keeping quiet but reports have been leaking out for some time now which suggest that quite a few Russians and Americans have been killed in Syria.


Sorry for been skeptic about this particular statement, i didn't mean to sound personal against you, considering the vast number of other unsupported claims in this topic. It's just that it's an important statement imo.

The fact is the Russians referred specifically to escalation of the war in Syria which is not the same thing as precipitating WW3.
The main point here is that the West did not dare attack the Russian forces in Syria because that would in fact precipitate WW3. The Russians made that clear in numerous of other statements.

Going through through your first post (the one which was characterized as bragging) it's clear you expected Kremlin to hit the launch sites as it said it would do. While by not doing as promised proves they were cowards, or weak, or incompetent or whatever.

Well I am actually glad were "cowards, or weak, or incompetent or whatever." and held their fire waiting for the one hour show to end.
I am not sure they would be equally "cowards, or weak, or incompetent or whatever." if they show would last longer though. :wink:

Btw don't you agree that was just a show?
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