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[cyprusgrump]

I just expected another feel good Cyprus story about some high rise construction.

When I was confronted with the link, I read it and thought "hey, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense".

I will critique Australian, American and British publications in the exact same way, because they too publish articles that are inaccurate, are embellished or even downright misleading and unprofessional.

Newspapers are in the public domain and are not immune to criticism. That is the foundation of our democratic system.

A newspaper is responsible for what they publish on their internet sites as well as their newspaper.

It doesn't matter if it is CM, Fileleftheros, Washington Post, New York Times, Sydney Morning Herald or The Guardian.

You've just explained in very simple terms how ridiculous it was of you to expect the CM article on diving to be 100% accurate!

If the major news organisations of the world with all of their resources make mistakes why would you expect the CM not to?

And given that you were at your PC, why didn't you google the story and read it on a diving website where the 'total dive time was given' (presumably because their journos are divers)...?

Given all of the above, why did the simple lack of the words 'total dive time' completely and utterly confuse you...?

And why did you try to give the impression that you knew about diving and say this: -

Well it's very odd there Cap because they are claiming 41m. He would have needed a special Nitrox mix to pull that off and at this man's age it would be bordering on insanity.

Without the Nitrox mix, his blood would have the effervescence of a Coca Cola drink and he would either be in a decompression chamber or dead.

...when you then rage about the need for accuracy...?

[Paphitis]

Because I expect better of all MSM outlets around the world.

You don't need any resources to make a simple phone call. Each journalist is responsible for the material they put up, along with the sub editor.

Otherwise all we have is fake news. And yes, people are well justified to rely on the net for their information - YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter

BTW, I am a friggin diver and do know about diving. I have a PADI Advance diver ticket. I have done maybe 100 or so more dives over the years too. And at one time, we just to dive in after some of the deadliest sharks on the planet on the Ningaloo Reef.

[cyprusgrump]

Because I expect better of all MSM outlets around the world.

You don't need any resources to make a simple phone call. Each journalist is responsible for the material they put up, along with the sub editor.

Otherwise all we have is fake news. And yes, p[eople are well justified to rely on the net for their information - YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter

CM is hardly MSM!

And in order to understand the need to make the phone call the journo would need to know something about diving wouldn't he?

So as I pointed out earlier, the CM would need to employ dozens of experts covering every subject under the sun in order to meet your requirements!

That is why the specialist publications (the diving magazines) got it right...

Even the BBC introduces its 'defence correspondent' to explain an article and then the week after introduces the same guy as the 'foreign aid correspondent' or some such...

[Paphitis]

No not at all. You said the journo received a media release. Well all he needed to do was call the dive club.

Is he really that fucken thick?

Yes, MSM is one of the top Cypriot publications on the island.

I haven't seen any specialist magazines make the same claims as CM did irresponsibly. I am pretty sure that any diver would have raised an eyebrow like I did.

[cyprusgrump]

No not at all. You said the journo received a media release. Well all he needed to do was call the dive club.

Is he really that fucken thick?

Yes, MSM is one of the top Cypriot publications on the island.

I haven't seen any specialist magazines make the same claims as CM did irresponsibly. I am pretty sure that any diver would have raised an eyebrow like I did.

No, you are the thick one or being deliberately obtuse!

Journalism these days is largely about re-printing press releases. I ask you (again ), why would the journo in the CM think to question a press release that he barely understands...?

And I'll point out (again ) that the diving magazines wouldn't have made that mistake because they are specialists...

And the only way to square that circle as you require (because you are unable to fact check yourself) would be for every newspaper and web site to employ specialists thus making it completely uneconomic to run...

Blimey, it isn't rocket science!

[Paphitis]

No it is not. They do not print press releases. Most end up in the bin actually that those that don't means that a journalist will at least call for a phone interview.

Some attempt is made to verify the data and facts.

That is what is expected from a professional organization.

No media outlet if going to just publish media releases will nilly.

And that is right. Diving magazines would not have printed what the CM did because they know it is correct. The CM should have verified the facts before publishing.

medias outlets publish articles about Aviation all the time, and continuously get it wrong. Professional Aviation magazines may be a lot more accurate but it is also necessary for the media outlet to verify the technical data by researching and interviewing experts in the field. The average Joe isn't going to be buying the professional journals.

[cyprusgrump]

No it is not. They do not print press releases. Most end up in the bin actually that those that don't means that a journalist will at least call for a phone interview.

Some attempt is made to verify the data and facts.

That is what is expected from a professional organization.

No media outlet if going to just publish media releases will nilly.

And that is right. Diving magazines would not have printed what the CM did because they know it is correct. The CM should have verified the facts before publishing.

medias outlets publish articles about Aviation all the time, and continuously get it wrong. Professional Aviation magazines may be a lot more accurate but it is also necessary for the media outlet to verify the technical data by researching and interviewing experts in the field. The average Joe isn't going to be buying the professional journals.

Don't be daft...

It is actually proven in this case (and you can see the same thing on the BBC).

The media doesn't do investigative journalism any more... they used to when there was one news a day or one issue of a newspaper - now news is 24/7. Print, web, mobile, Twatter, FaceArse...

So they simply can't afford hundreds of trained staff doing all those things...

A press release arrived at the CM office, the office boy that reviews restaurants and cinema (amongst other things) edited it to fit the space available and pressed 'publish'... In doing so, he obviously missed out the words 'total dive time'...

The same press release sent to 'Dive' magazine was included without removing the key words... There is no conspiracy or incompetence here, it is just how it works...

The BBC does it all the time...

[Pyrpolizer]

As if Paphitis would not mess everything up, even if the article was 100% accurate.
Who else can ever process the most reliable information, and reproduce it as trash?

[Paphitis]

No it is not. They do not print press releases. Most end up in the bin actually that those that don't means that a journalist will at least call for a phone interview.

Some attempt is made to verify the data and facts.

That is what is expected from a professional organization.

No media outlet if going to just publish media releases will nilly.

And that is right. Diving magazines would not have printed what the CM did because they know it is correct. The CM should have verified the facts before publishing.

medias outlets publish articles about Aviation all the time, and continuously get it wrong. Professional Aviation magazines may be a lot more accurate but it is also necessary for the media outlet to verify the technical data by researching and interviewing experts in the field. The average Joe isn't going to be buying the professional journals.

Don't be daft...

It is actually proven in this case (and you can see the same thing on the BBC).

The media doesn't do investigative journalism any more... they used to when there was one news a day or one issue of a newspaper - now news is 24/7. Print, web, mobile, Twatter, FaceArse...

So they simply can't afford hundreds of trained staff doing all those things...

A press release arrived at the CM office, the office boy that reviews restaurants and cinema (amongst other things) edited it to fit the space available and pressed 'publish'... In doing so, he obviously missed out the words 'total dive time'...

The same press release sent to 'Dive' magazine was included without removing the key words... There is no conspiracy or incompetence here, it is just how it works...

The BBC does it all the time...

You say that but you merely say a lot of hearsay without proof.

Shoe me how the BBC reproduced this article and published it ad verbatim like the Cyprus Mail did.I don't believe the BBC are as stupid as Cyprus Mail. This is hardly investigative journalism. What they would have done is picked up the phone before they went to the printers.

Plus it is pretty obvious that the technical information provided of a 42 m dive for 44 minutes is clearly incorrect.

Your evidence please.... You keep saying that International Dive magazines published the same article and now you are saying the BBC picked it up too. Well, if that is so, please provide a link.

Out of us 3, I am the only person who backs my statements up with evidence. You are just arguing and arguing without offering any evidence.

[cyprusgrump]

You say that but you merely say a lot of hearsay without proof.

You’re mental!

Shoe me how the BBC reproduced this article and published it ad verbatim like the Cyprus Mail did.I don't believe the BBC are as stupid as Cyprus Mail. This is hardly investigative journalism.

Show me where I claimed that the BBC ran this story. You can’t because I didn’t say that at all. I said that the BBC also publishes press releases verbatim – look at almost any ‘report’ on alcohol, obesity, global warming, etc and you’ll find it comes from a press release...

What they would have done is picked up the phone before they went to the printers.

But he had no reason to pick up the phone! He isn’t a diver, he is a jobbing journo. He had no more reason to fact check what he produced from the original press release than he would to verify a recipe for flaouna...

Plus it is pretty obvious that the technical information provided of a 42 m dive for 44 minutes is clearly incorrect.

It isn’t obvious at all to a non-diver! It only stood out to you because you’ve got a couple of PADI certificates stuck on your wall! But then you shamefully blew any diving credibility you may have had with your ridiculous remarks about Nitrox and the use of ‘Oxygen’ instead of ‘Air’.

Your evidence please.... You keep saying that International Dive magazines published the same article and now you are saying the BBC picked it up too. Well, if that is so, please provide a link.

And show me the evidence that I claimed that the BBC ran it because I didn’t. You know, if you actually read what others post instead of reacting to what you think they might have said then you wouldn’t look like such a massive bell-end every day.

Out of us 3, I am the only person who backs my statements up with evidence. You are just arguing and arguing without offering any evidence.

On the contrary, you’ve typed pages of bluff and bluster in which you attempt to support your ridiculous assertion that the Cyprus Mail should be held to the same exacting standards as the aviation industry...

...because of course, publishing an article that confuses a single keyboard warrior and which could be retracted or corrected in the next issue is just like an aircraft falling out of the sky and killing hundreds...