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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby Lordo » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:57 pm

only in america

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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:26 am

Lordo wrote:we await for the next mass shooting. the question is not if but when.


Good for you.USA does not lead the world in mass shootings.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the ... story.html

https://nypost.com/2018/08/30/america-d ... shootings/

1 Garissa University College Attack Garissa, Kenya 2015 148
2 Peshawar School Massacre Peshawar, Pakistan 2014 149
3 November 2015 Paris Attacks Paris, France 2015 130
4 2011 Norway Attacks Oslo, Norway 2011 77
5 Westgate Shopping Mall Attack Nairobi, Kenya 2013 67
6 2017 Las Vegas Shooting Las Vegas, Nevada, USA 2017 58
7 South Korea Shooting of 1982 Uiryeong County, South Korea 1982 56
8 New Zealand Mosque Shootings Christchurch, New Zealand 2019 51
9 2016 Orlando Nightclub Shooting Orlando, Florida, USA 2016 49
10 Sousse Beach Mass Shooting Sousse, Tunisia 2015 38
11 Port Arthur Masacre Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia 1996 35
12 Virginia Tech Shootings Blacksburg, Virginia, USA 2007 32
13 Tian Mingjian Incident Beijing, China 1994 28
14 Sandy Hook Massacre Newtown, Connecticut, USA 2012 27
15 Sutherland Springs Church Shooting Sutherland Springs, Texas, USA 2017 26
16 Kampala Wedding Massacre Kampala, Uganda 1994 26
17 Luby's Shooting Killen, Texas, USA 1991 23
18 San Ysidro McDonald's Massacre San Ysidro, California, USA 1984 21
19 2015 Bamako Hotel Attack Bamako, Mali 2015 20
20 2010 Chihuahua Shootings Chihuahua, Mexico 2010 19
21 University of Texas Tower Shooting Austin, Texas, USA 1966 18
22 Dunblane Massacre Dunblane, Scotland, UK 1996 17
23 Erfurt School Massacre Erfurt, Germany 2002 17
24 Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting Parkland, Florida, USA 2018 17
25 Hungerford Massacre Hungergord, Berkshire, UK 1987 16
26 Winneden School Shooting Winnenden, Germany 2009 16
27 Columbine High School Massacre Columbine, Colorado, USA 1999 15
28 Edmond Post Office Shooting Edmond, Oklahoma, USA 1986 15
29 Toulon France Shooting Toulon, France 1995 15
30 Zug Massacre Zug, Switzerland 2001 14
31 Luxiol Massacre Luxiol, France 1989 14
32 2015 San Bernandino Attack San Bernardino, California, USA 2,015 14
33 École Polytechnique massacre Montreal, Quebec, Canada 1,989 14
34 Pashupatinath Temple Shooting Mandsaur, India 1983 14
35 Aramoana Massacre Aramoana, New Zealand 1990 13
36 Fort Hood Shooting Fort Hood, Texas, USA 2009 13
37 Binghamton Shootings Binghamton, New York, USA 2009 13
38 Baku Shooting Baku, Azerbaijan 2009 13
39 Velika Ivanča Shooting Velika Ivanča, Serbia 2013 13
40 Kamwenge Trading Centre Shooting Kamwenge, Uganda 1994 13
41 Aurora Shooting Aurora, Colorado, USA 2012 12
42 1999 Atlanta Shooting Atlanta, Georgia, USA 1999 12
43 Rio de Janeiro School Shooting Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 2011 12
44 Campinas Massacre Campinas, Brazil 2016 12
45 Cumbria Shootings Cumbria, England, UK 2010 12
46 Charlie Hebdo Shooting Paris, France 2015 12
47 2011 Rio de Janeiro School Shooting Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 2011 12
48 Washington Navy Yard Shooting Washington, D.C., USA 2013 11
49 Geneva County Massacre Geneva County, Alabama, USA 2009 10
50 Bombo Shooting Bombo, Uganda 2013 10
51 Kauhajoki School Shooting Kauhajoki, Finland 2008 10
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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:29 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:we await for the next mass shooting. the question is not if but when.


Good for you.USA does not lead the world in mass shootings.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the ... story.html

https://nypost.com/2018/08/30/america-d ... shootings/

1 Garissa University College Attack Garissa, Kenya 2015 148
2 Peshawar School Massacre Peshawar, Pakistan 2014 149
3 November 2015 Paris Attacks Paris, France 2015 130
4 2011 Norway Attacks Oslo, Norway 2011 77
5 Westgate Shopping Mall Attack Nairobi, Kenya 2013 67
6 2017 Las Vegas Shooting Las Vegas, Nevada, USA 2017 58
7 South Korea Shooting of 1982 Uiryeong County, South Korea 1982 56
8 New Zealand Mosque Shootings Christchurch, New Zealand 2019 51
9 2016 Orlando Nightclub Shooting Orlando, Florida, USA 2016 49
10 Sousse Beach Mass Shooting Sousse, Tunisia 2015 38
11 Port Arthur Masacre Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia 1996 35
12 Virginia Tech Shootings Blacksburg, Virginia, USA 2007 32
13 Tian Mingjian Incident Beijing, China 1994 28
14 Sandy Hook Massacre Newtown, Connecticut, USA 2012 27
15 Sutherland Springs Church Shooting Sutherland Springs, Texas, USA 2017 26
16 Kampala Wedding Massacre Kampala, Uganda 1994 26
17 Luby's Shooting Killen, Texas, USA 1991 23
18 San Ysidro McDonald's Massacre San Ysidro, California, USA 1984 21
19 2015 Bamako Hotel Attack Bamako, Mali 2015 20
20 2010 Chihuahua Shootings Chihuahua, Mexico 2010 19
21 University of Texas Tower Shooting Austin, Texas, USA 1966 18
22 Dunblane Massacre Dunblane, Scotland, UK 1996 17
23 Erfurt School Massacre Erfurt, Germany 2002 17
24 Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting Parkland, Florida, USA 2018 17
25 Hungerford Massacre Hungergord, Berkshire, UK 1987 16
26 Winneden School Shooting Winnenden, Germany 2009 16
27 Columbine High School Massacre Columbine, Colorado, USA 1999 15
28 Edmond Post Office Shooting Edmond, Oklahoma, USA 1986 15
29 Toulon France Shooting Toulon, France 1995 15
30 Zug Massacre Zug, Switzerland 2001 14
31 Luxiol Massacre Luxiol, France 1989 14
32 2015 San Bernandino Attack San Bernardino, California, USA 2,015 14
33 École Polytechnique massacre Montreal, Quebec, Canada 1,989 14
34 Pashupatinath Temple Shooting Mandsaur, India 1983 14
35 Aramoana Massacre Aramoana, New Zealand 1990 13
36 Fort Hood Shooting Fort Hood, Texas, USA 2009 13
37 Binghamton Shootings Binghamton, New York, USA 2009 13
38 Baku Shooting Baku, Azerbaijan 2009 13
39 Velika Ivanča Shooting Velika Ivanča, Serbia 2013 13
40 Kamwenge Trading Centre Shooting Kamwenge, Uganda 1994 13
41 Aurora Shooting Aurora, Colorado, USA 2012 12
42 1999 Atlanta Shooting Atlanta, Georgia, USA 1999 12
43 Rio de Janeiro School Shooting Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 2011 12
44 Campinas Massacre Campinas, Brazil 2016 12
45 Cumbria Shootings Cumbria, England, UK 2010 12
46 Charlie Hebdo Shooting Paris, France 2015 12
47 2011 Rio de Janeiro School Shooting Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 2011 12
48 Washington Navy Yard Shooting Washington, D.C., USA 2013 11
49 Geneva County Massacre Geneva County, Alabama, USA 2009 10
50 Bombo Shooting Bombo, Uganda 2013 10
51 Kauhajoki School Shooting Kauhajoki, Finland 2008 10

let me see now. we do not have a single country up there who has had a single mass shootings in 2019 and yet america has had 250 since first of january 2019. and you say that america does lead the world in mass shootings.

if you are going to go back, you must include the 36 million native americans that were killed by the whites in aerica and you cannot leave out the people killed by americans in iraq, afghanistan, korea, vietnam, japan, cambodia and a few other countries. you also cannot leave out all the dictatorships america has suppported like in central and south america either.

lets face it america is tha cpital of mass shootings and mass murder which ever way you look at it.
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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:30 pm

6 2017 Las Vegas Shooting Las Vegas, Nevada, USA 2017 58
9 2016 Orlando Nightclub Shooting Orlando, Florida, USA 2016 49
11 Port Arthur Masacre Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia 1996 35
12 Virginia Tech Shootings Blacksburg, Virginia, USA 2007 32
14 Sandy Hook Massacre Newtown, Connecticut, USA 2012 27
15 Sutherland Springs Church Shooting Sutherland Springs, Texas, USA 2017 26
17 Luby's Shooting Killen, Texas, USA 1991 23
18 San Ysidro McDonald's Massacre San Ysidro, California, USA 1984 21
21 University of Texas Tower Shooting Austin, Texas, USA 1966 18
24 Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting Parkland, Florida, USA 2018 17
27 Columbine High School Massacre Columbine, Colorado, USA 1999 15
28 Edmond Post Office Shooting Edmond, Oklahoma, USA 1986 15
32 2015 San Bernandino Attack San Bernardino, California, USA 2,015 14
36 Fort Hood Shooting Fort Hood, Texas, USA 2009 13
37 Binghamton Shootings Binghamton, New York, USA 2009 13
41 Aurora Shooting Aurora, Colorado, USA 2012 12
42 1999 Atlanta Shooting Atlanta, Georgia, USA 1999 12
48 Washington Navy Yard Shooting Washington, D.C., USA 2013 11
49 Geneva County Massacre Geneva County, Alabama, USA 2009 10

18/51 in the USA....over 1/3rd...
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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:35 pm

Lordo wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:we await for the next mass shooting. the question is not if but when.


Good for you.USA does not lead the world in mass shootings.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the ... story.html

https://nypost.com/2018/08/30/america-d ... shootings/

1 Garissa University College Attack Garissa, Kenya 2015 148
2 Peshawar School Massacre Peshawar, Pakistan 2014 149
3 November 2015 Paris Attacks Paris, France 2015 130
4 2011 Norway Attacks Oslo, Norway 2011 77
5 Westgate Shopping Mall Attack Nairobi, Kenya 2013 67
6 2017 Las Vegas Shooting Las Vegas, Nevada, USA 2017 58
7 South Korea Shooting of 1982 Uiryeong County, South Korea 1982 56
8 New Zealand Mosque Shootings Christchurch, New Zealand 2019 51
9 2016 Orlando Nightclub Shooting Orlando, Florida, USA 2016 49
10 Sousse Beach Mass Shooting Sousse, Tunisia 2015 38
11 Port Arthur Masacre Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia 1996 35
12 Virginia Tech Shootings Blacksburg, Virginia, USA 2007 32
13 Tian Mingjian Incident Beijing, China 1994 28
14 Sandy Hook Massacre Newtown, Connecticut, USA 2012 27
15 Sutherland Springs Church Shooting Sutherland Springs, Texas, USA 2017 26
16 Kampala Wedding Massacre Kampala, Uganda 1994 26
17 Luby's Shooting Killen, Texas, USA 1991 23
18 San Ysidro McDonald's Massacre San Ysidro, California, USA 1984 21
19 2015 Bamako Hotel Attack Bamako, Mali 2015 20
20 2010 Chihuahua Shootings Chihuahua, Mexico 2010 19
21 University of Texas Tower Shooting Austin, Texas, USA 1966 18
22 Dunblane Massacre Dunblane, Scotland, UK 1996 17
23 Erfurt School Massacre Erfurt, Germany 2002 17
24 Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting Parkland, Florida, USA 2018 17
25 Hungerford Massacre Hungergord, Berkshire, UK 1987 16
26 Winneden School Shooting Winnenden, Germany 2009 16
27 Columbine High School Massacre Columbine, Colorado, USA 1999 15
28 Edmond Post Office Shooting Edmond, Oklahoma, USA 1986 15
29 Toulon France Shooting Toulon, France 1995 15
30 Zug Massacre Zug, Switzerland 2001 14
31 Luxiol Massacre Luxiol, France 1989 14
32 2015 San Bernandino Attack San Bernardino, California, USA 2,015 14
33 École Polytechnique massacre Montreal, Quebec, Canada 1,989 14
34 Pashupatinath Temple Shooting Mandsaur, India 1983 14
35 Aramoana Massacre Aramoana, New Zealand 1990 13
36 Fort Hood Shooting Fort Hood, Texas, USA 2009 13
37 Binghamton Shootings Binghamton, New York, USA 2009 13
38 Baku Shooting Baku, Azerbaijan 2009 13
39 Velika Ivanča Shooting Velika Ivanča, Serbia 2013 13
40 Kamwenge Trading Centre Shooting Kamwenge, Uganda 1994 13
41 Aurora Shooting Aurora, Colorado, USA 2012 12
42 1999 Atlanta Shooting Atlanta, Georgia, USA 1999 12
43 Rio de Janeiro School Shooting Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 2011 12
44 Campinas Massacre Campinas, Brazil 2016 12
45 Cumbria Shootings Cumbria, England, UK 2010 12
46 Charlie Hebdo Shooting Paris, France 2015 12
47 2011 Rio de Janeiro School Shooting Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 2011 12
48 Washington Navy Yard Shooting Washington, D.C., USA 2013 11
49 Geneva County Massacre Geneva County, Alabama, USA 2009 10
50 Bombo Shooting Bombo, Uganda 2013 10
51 Kauhajoki School Shooting Kauhajoki, Finland 2008 10

let me see now. we do not have a single country up there who has had a single mass shootings in 2019 and yet america has had 250 since first of january 2019. and you say that america does lead the world in mass shootings.

if you are going to go back, you must include the 36 million native americans that were killed by the whites in aerica and you cannot leave out the people killed by americans in iraq, afghanistan, korea, vietnam, japan, cambodia and a few other countries. you also cannot leave out all the dictatorships america has suppported like in central and south america either.

lets face it america is tha cpital of mass shootings and mass murder which ever way you look at it.


Bullshit it's had 250 in 2019.

That statistic is rigged from the Gun Violence Archive who categorize injuries as multiple victims and hence a mass shooting. This is an anti gun group.

If that's the case, there would be thousands such incidents worldwide.

First of all, 78% of mass shootings do not use an Assault Rifle.

Secondly, there have only been 17 mass shootings in the USA involving 3 or more killings.

The FBI doesn't have an official definition of a mass shooting, but defines a mass killing as an incident in which three or more people, not including the suspect, are killed. Various groups and watchdog organizations keep their own lists, often using different criteria for what qualifies as a mass shooting.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/deadly-mass-s ... d=63449799

If you want a proper debate, you need to have parameters that define a mass shooting. And defining it as incidents with 1 fatality and injuries or no fatalities but multiple injuries isn't a valid thing because who knows how many such incidents occur worldwide.

Just yesterday, some freak was walking around Sydney just stabbing passers by with a knife.
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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:57 pm

you are confusing the word mass shooting with mass killing. the americans describe mass shooting as incidents when 4 or more people or shot or killed. if it was mass killing you can ignore the injured.

perhaps once you understand the difference between shooting and killing we can progress little further. when you understand the difference please let us know.
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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:05 pm

Lordo wrote:you are confusing the word mass shooting with mass killing. the americans describe mass shooting as incidents when 4 or more people or shot or killed. if it was mass killing you can ignore the injured.

perhaps once you understand the difference between shooting and killing we can progress little further. when you understand the difference please let us know.


We need to have a standard here.

You can choose to define mass shooting as 4 victims or 3 victims, but you need to compare like for like.

You stating that there were 250 mass shootings in the USA isn't very fair because then you need to compare that to each country under the same criteria.

It's better to revert to a definition of 3 or 4 dead victims and compare these statistics globally.

And, we can go round and round in circles all you like, but Americans are not going to surrender their guns. That WILL NEVER happen.

Gun control was a massive failure in Australia.
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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:13 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:you are confusing the word mass shooting with mass killing. the americans describe mass shooting as incidents when 4 or more people or shot or killed. if it was mass killing you can ignore the injured.

perhaps once you understand the difference between shooting and killing we can progress little further. when you understand the difference please let us know.


We need to have a standard here.

You can choose to define mass shooting as 4 victims or 3 victims, but you need to compare like for like.

You stating that there were 250 mass shootings in the USA isn't very fair because then you need to compare that to each country under the same criteria.

It's better to revert to a definition of 3 or 4 dead victims and compare these statistics globally.

And, we can go round and round in circles all you like, but Americans are not going to surrender their guns. That WILL NEVER happen.

Gun control was a massive failure in Australia.

no the criteria is set. it is not 3 or 4 people, it is 4 or more. in otherwods less than 4 does not count as a mass shhoting. if 4 or more people are shot, then it is termed mass shooting. by all means see how many more mass shootings there are in countries like the congo and kenya and afghanistan. the term is simple and even an idiot like shoud understand it.
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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:39 pm

Lordo wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:you are confusing the word mass shooting with mass killing. the americans describe mass shooting as incidents when 4 or more people or shot or killed. if it was mass killing you can ignore the injured.

perhaps once you understand the difference between shooting and killing we can progress little further. when you understand the difference please let us know.


We need to have a standard here.

You can choose to define mass shooting as 4 victims or 3 victims, but you need to compare like for like.

You stating that there were 250 mass shootings in the USA isn't very fair because then you need to compare that to each country under the same criteria.

It's better to revert to a definition of 3 or 4 dead victims and compare these statistics globally.

And, we can go round and round in circles all you like, but Americans are not going to surrender their guns. That WILL NEVER happen.

Gun control was a massive failure in Australia.

no the criteria is set. it is not 3 or 4 people, it is 4 or more. in otherwods less than 4 does not count as a mass shhoting. if 4 or more people are shot, then it is termed mass shooting. by all means see how many more mass shootings there are in countries like the congo and kenya and afghanistan. the term is simple and even an idiot like shoud understand it.


Well then, you need to compare like for like with the exact same criteria. And again, if those statistics exist, it would indicate that the USA isn't that different to other parts of the world.

The reason why we should stick to the criteria of 3 or 4 dead, is because studies have already been collated under that criteria which places the USA in 62nd place. It is a level playing field where you can actually compare.
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Re: greatest democracy on earth

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:06 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:you are confusing the word mass shooting with mass killing. the americans describe mass shooting as incidents when 4 or more people or shot or killed. if it was mass killing you can ignore the injured.

perhaps once you understand the difference between shooting and killing we can progress little further. when you understand the difference please let us know.


We need to have a standard here.

You can choose to define mass shooting as 4 victims or 3 victims, but you need to compare like for like.

You stating that there were 250 mass shootings in the USA isn't very fair because then you need to compare that to each country under the same criteria.

It's better to revert to a definition of 3 or 4 dead victims and compare these statistics globally.

And, we can go round and round in circles all you like, but Americans are not going to surrender their guns. That WILL NEVER happen.

Gun control was a massive failure in Australia.

no the criteria is set. it is not 3 or 4 people, it is 4 or more. in otherwods less than 4 does not count as a mass shhoting. if 4 or more people are shot, then it is termed mass shooting. by all means see how many more mass shootings there are in countries like the congo and kenya and afghanistan. the term is simple and even an idiot like shoud understand it.


Well then, you need to compare like for like with the exact same criteria. And again, if those statistics exist, it would indicate that the USA isn't that different to other parts of the world.

The reason why we should stick to the criteria of 3 or 4 dead, is because studies have already been collated under that criteria which places the USA in 62nd place. It is a level playing field where you can actually compare.

the 250 mass shootings is calculated with that criteria. facts are facts. is there another country that has had 250 mass shootings since january 1st this year. you really are quite dense.
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