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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:39 pm

Londonrake wrote:I sometimes wonder how I ever found the time to go to work. :D

what is it exactly that you do? are you saying you cannot use the internet?
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:45 pm

Did you know that the total projected cost of HS2 ....... is about the same the UK tax payer pays the Banks in interest on government loans every year, and rising yearly? At least with HS2 you would get something out of it ..... no matter what it cost! What did you get from the Banks for your £48bn interest you paid in 2018 ....... when they used their 'money tree' to create it out of nothing in the first place.

The politicians seem to have begun to realize that in reality ....... THERE IS A MAGIC MONEY TREE ....... unfortunately the EU makes sure that it belongs to the Banks ..... not the State!

Just a thought to ponder when you hear the cry '..... how are they going to pay for it?'.

Just saying ...... :roll:
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:17 pm

no comparisson between the two. the banks are not allowed to collapse,they would take the whole economy with them. hs2 is giving back 1 pound for every 5 spent. it's like converting pound coins to 20p coins. it really is not worth it.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:39 pm

Lordo wrote:no comparisson between the two. the banks are not allowed to collapse, they would take the whole economy with them. hs2 is giving back 1 pound for every 5 spent. it's like converting pound coins to 20p coins. it really is not worth it.


Would they? Are you sure of that? The Banks create currency from thin air and they lend to the Government at interest! What would happen if the Government stopped them creating currency and did it from their own Central Bank? The Bank would now get the currency they lend to you from the Central Bank. The government creates what it needs, instead of borrowing it but does not have to generate interest, as it does not have to make a profit.

The Bank now becomes what most people believe they are anyway, the Intermediary between Lender (HMG) and the borrower (You, me, industry and small businesses). For the man in the street nothing changes. For the Government, can now repay the National Debt with the money it now creates, instead of letting the banks create it. That eliminates the National Debt and the Tax Payer no longer has to pay the Banks the equivalent of an HS2 every year in interest ............ for nothing! :roll: It's called 'Modern Monetary Theory'.

The banks will lose the interest on loans to government but basically nothing else changes. So, you are wrong! It is government spending that boosts the economy ...... not bank lending! That has the reverse effect because taxes have to be imposed to pay the interest to the bank and the debt spirals over time, on which we pay more interest, which is why we have a debt based economy.

Its a complicated subject. :wink:
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Londonrake » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:24 pm

Well, he asked for that. :wink: :lol:

I think though, that without realising it, Lordo is probably on your side. I’m sure he also believes that once Corbyn and McDonnell could print all the money they want, to fund their plans, the UK economy will go from strength to strength.

I should add. You need to bear in mind that with Lordo you’re dealing with a man who believes - and I mean belief in the religious zealot sense - that Jeremy Corbyn is set to become the UK’s next PM, with a majority of 60 - 100. Amen.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:06 pm

if you think it is a good idea to convert a pound coin to 20p, go ahead. as to corbyn in government, people said in 1945, nhs, free education, free dental treatment, free glasses, can't be done. every body would have 5 pairs each.

average tory is as thick as shit and in actuality cannot see that but thinks that working man is thick as shit. it makes sense as they are so thick they cannot see to the end of their noses.

corbyn has not claimed he will have great economic success, he is just going to make the bastards pay their taxes. as we all do. the rest will take care of itself. economy is like vinyard, once matured it only needs minimum attention. you just pick grapes and stamp on them to make zivania, but for god sake wash your feet before you do. the main thing is to keep parasites in check. there are bloos suckers and all sorts that need to be controlled. you can use chemicals or you can use natural parasite removers.

once the parasites are sorted, we shall be fine.

today of old days i met a prospective project manager who works on the hs2. very interesting conversation indeed.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Londonrake » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:41 am

Lordo wrote:average tory is as thick as shit and in actuality cannot see that but thinks that working man is thick as shit. it makes sense as they are so thick they cannot see to the end of their noses.


That's a very perceptive and enlightening view Lordo. Pure objectivity. Unanswerable logic. Concluding that the average tory is thick as shit but thinks the working man is.

I don't know what your experience is but you seem to have a very patronising (typical Momentum-ish) view which suggests that you actually have little idea about the lives of normal working people. In fact, you come across regarding them as being on a par with children, in need of your superior knowledge and benevolent guidance.

I think you might soon find that they're a bit more switched on than you and Mr Corbyn give them credit for. I'll go as far as to suggest that the average working people in the 148 Labour constituencies which voted leave, and again for Labour in 2017 when they lied about promising to honour the referendum result, might soon be about to show the pair of you just how savvy they actually are.

Is everybody that has a bit of money a "parasite" then?

Please don't let this deter you from continuing to post comments in your normal foul-mouthed and semi-literate manner though. Despite that I don't think that you're as "thick as shit". You just tend to sound that way sometimes.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:24 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:average tory is as thick as shit and in actuality cannot see that but thinks that working man is thick as shit. it makes sense as they are so thick they cannot see to the end of their noses.


That's a very perceptive and enlightening view Lordo. Pure objectivity. Unanswerable logic. Concluding that the average tory is thick as shit but thinks the working man is.

I don't know what your experience is but you seem to have a very patronising (typical Momentum-ish) view which suggests that you actually have little idea about the lives of normal working people. In fact, you come across regarding them as being on a par with children, in need of your superior knowledge and benevolent guidance.

I think you might soon find that they're a bit more switched on than you and Mr Corbyn give them credit for. I'll go as far as to suggest that the average working people in the 148 Labour constituencies which voted leave, and again for Labour in 2017 when they lied about promising to honour the referendum result, might soon be about to show the pair of you just how savvy they actually are.

Is everybody that has a bit of money a "parasite" then?

Please don't let this deter you from continuing to post comments in your normal foul-mouthed and semi-literate manner though. Despite that I don't think that you're as "thick as shit". You just tend to sound that way sometimes.

you sound just like an avewrage tory i am afraid. i never claimed average man is as thicjk as shit. i said tories are as thicvk as shit and they tend to view the average an as thick as shit.

when it comes to makign money, i never claimed they are paraistes. i have been making money for decades. the parasites are the swines who make a few quid and do not pay their staff proper living wage and hide their money on tax havens so they do not pay their taxes either.

for you not being able to see that puts you in the category of fakin cluless thick as shit know it all.

we have people worth billions and pay not taxes.

ffs wake up
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Londonrake » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:43 pm

Lordo wrote:you sound just like an avewrage tory i am afraid. i never claimed average man is as thicjk as shit. i said tories are as thicvk as shit and they tend to view the average an as thick as shit.

when it comes to makign money, i never claimed they are paraistes. i have been making money for decades. the parasites are the swines who make a few quid and do not pay their staff proper living wage and hide their money on tax havens so they do not pay their taxes either.

for you not being able to see that puts you in the category of fakin cluless thick as shit know it all.

we have people worth billions and pay not taxes.

ffs wake up


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Always love your posts. So much passion (and bad spelling). Sometimes working them out is a bit like doing the crossword (and they're usually full of them!!!!). :lol:

What's the "average Tory"? A person who disagrees with you I suspect. Define. You talk like somebody involved in a bloody war. Which of course is why we end up with Gulags and backs against the nearest wall when people like you get control. Heaven forbid.

I don't believed I claimed - that you claimed :D - average man is "as thicjk as shit". :?

Looks to me like McDonnell is planning to target "the rich" period. Not - "Ohh, Branson's OK, we won't bother him". But if you're a student of the history involving that sort of taxation you should be able to tell me what will happen. Yes? Then, no prizes for guessing who ends up forking out for their grandiose socialist schemes. Have a bit of a wander around the history of and what's going on now in Venezuela, if you need help.

Have you had a look at the tax v income graph? No, thought not.

Can you be clueless, (sorry, "fakin clueless" :lol: ) + thick as shit and still be a know it all? Sounds a bit like an oxymoron (Google it).

If there are people in the UK worth billions who pay no tax I imagine they're doing it legally. Well, what would you do? The answer is of course to clamp down on loop holes. Although, you have to be careful. Wasn't it Brown who said something about the trick being to pull the bird's feathers without scaring it off?
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:10 pm

what is it with you fakin average tories and spelling.
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