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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:00 pm

all i asked for is a little bit of information to see how much you understand about project management and all i got is me myself and i. i knew you were going to google something.

on your bike boy.
you know exactly what you are, no need for me to tell you anything.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:47 pm

...bloody hell, you retired at 42?

...makes me jealous, i retired (semi, because i still take the jobs i want to) at 57.

...in any case, with all large projects, there are many variables, and in most cases it seems beyond the capacity of its developers. Working in shipbuilding as i do, it is something i must confront on every project because in Canada the ships built are unique for their purpose, it is not like making ships in other countries where they are built in a quantity, where the planning applied to the ships proceeding, comes from having produced something identical before.

...for example, when an estimate for work on such a ship in Canada is calculated, while the tender is competitive and to win it is based on lowest price, the cost is multipled by a factor of 7-15 times of the work's cost itself, to include for the unknown, and the risk; even with this latitude, at times, contractors find themselves asking for more, or losing, money.

...what i have come to realise (when it comes to project management) is that instant solutions on paper, may take twenty years to plan, so that in its execution it, (something that still takes years to build), looks easy; even so the details and the finishing may still be overwhelming.

...indeed there is no denying it, anything that requires pride most of all, to build, is as much art as science, given the inter-personal relationships involved.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:48 pm

Lordo wrote:all i asked for is a little bit of information to see how much you understand about project management and all i got is me myself and i. i knew you were going to google something.

on your bike boy.
you know exactly what you are, no need for me to tell you anything.



Tell me in what year BR built all the railway lines and I'll tell you the inside track on Project Management... :wink:

I assume you are still a wage slave - how old are you...?
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:50 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...bloody hell, you retired at 42?

...makes me jealous, i retired (semi, because i still take the jobs i want to) at 57.

...in any case, with all large projects, there are many variables, and in most cases it seems beyond the capacity of its developers. Working in shipbuilding as i do, it is something i must confront on every project because in Canada the ships built are unique for their purpose, it is not like making ships in other countries where they are built in a quantity, where the planning applied to the ships proceeding, comes from having produced something identical before.

...for example, when an estimate for work on such a ship in Canada is calculated, while the tender is competitive and to win it is based on lowest price, the cost is multipled by a factor of 7-15 times of the work's cost itself, to include for the unknown, and the risk; even with this latitude, at times, contractors find themselves asking for more, or losing, money.

...what i have come to realise (when it comes to project management) is that instant solutions on paper, may take twenty years to plan, so that in its execution it, (something that still takes years to build), looks easy; even so the details and the finishing may still be overwhelming.

...indeed there is no denying it, anything that requires pride most of all, to build, is as much art as science, given the inter-personal relationships involved.


I did! :shock:

It feels completely normal to me to be doing what I am doing but I do realise how lucky I am... :oops:
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:49 pm

Cheers!
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:02 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:all i asked for is a little bit of information to see how much you understand about project management and all i got is me myself and i. i knew you were going to google something.

on your bike boy.
you know exactly what you are, no need for me to tell you anything.



Tell me in what year BR built all the railway lines and I'll tell you the inside track on Project Management... :wink:

I assume you are still a wage slave - how old are you...?

you clearly hated your job. poor sad boy. i will work till i drop because i enjoy what i do.
why on earth would i want to stop and end up like you grumpoi. thanks but no thanks
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:35 pm

...i don't know, i know a few engineers who retired early from making their millions from inventions and such. Few pissed it away, one in particular that i remember who is always wasted from drink, is worse for it, although his royalty cheques will keep coming in regardless.

...for the most part to each his own, i say; i admire my confrere Mr Sesto who at 83 does not hesitate to climb a ladder, and still works full time, just like Mr. Trent who retired, also in his forties, and became the Mayor of the city he lives in eventually. If i was to do it all over again, i too would not change much, or everything.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:17 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...i don't know, i know a few engineers who retired early from making their millions from inventions and such. Few pissed it away, one in particular that i remember who is always wasted from drink, is worse for it, although his royalty cheques will keep coming in regardless.

...for the most part to each his own, i say; i admire my confrere Mr Sesto who at 83 does not hesitate to climb a ladder, and still works full time, just like Mr. Trent who retired, also in his forties, and became the Mayor of the city he lives in eventually. If i was to do it all over again, i too would not change much, or everything.


I didn't like school but when I started work at 16 (an electronics apprenticeship) I immediately loved it. Loved being at work, loved learning and loved doing what I was doing (working in the aerospace industry).

I suppose I became a workaholic, I would have happily worked 25 hours a day, 8 days a week... Started my own business and loved working even more.

Then one day I decided there were better things in life than working all day, packed it all up, sold everything and moved to Cyprus.

Haven't regretted it for a second. Mrs. Cyprusgrump misses the grandchildren but actually the time they get together (I'm taking her to the airport in an hour) is better quality than if she was there full time IMHO...
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:45 pm

...i was a workaholic, never less than 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. It was in my late forties that i discovered "week-ends", my honeymoon night at 39, was spent on a Janitor's floor, filthy with cigarette butts, because he had been dismissed a week before, and was still acting dangerously, like starting fires etc. at the time.

...it was a fun ride, all the work i did, the stories i can tell. Was it worth it, i don't know; but i know i did not enjoy what is a regular family life, dinner at my mom's Easter table, playing with kids, birthday parties, and at Christmas and/or New Years, always a crisis that took me elsewhere.

...so i enjoyed weekends for a while, then one week every third week, and now i travel for work, so if i work it is as i said, if i want to, and on my terms.

...highly recommend, "a job", all these years as a "travailleur autonome", with my experience, i can say that being a businessman is more difficult, and while it may have its perks in life, it does not replace a loving home you enjoy, by being there. But, i am not dead yet, and i am hoping (a particular) yard will call me, so i can play hard to get.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Londonrake » Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:26 pm

I sometimes wonder how I ever found the time to go to work. :D
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