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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Sotos » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:52 pm

Lordo wrote:here is a man that was accused by erdogan, cavusoglu and bahceli as neing unfit to be president of the terrgish cypriots and you still maintain he takes orders from him.


That was just a show to take votes from idiots like you. Turkey owns you.Even if he wanted to go against Turkey he could not, because then Turkey would cut the financing and the economy of his pseudo-state would collapse.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:03 pm

Sotos wrote:
Lordo wrote:here is a man that was accused by erdogan, cavusoglu and bahceli as neing unfit to be president of the terrgish cypriots and you still maintain he takes orders from him.


That was just a show to take votes from idiots like you. Turkey owns you.Even if he wanted to go against Turkey he could not, because then Turkey would cut the financing and the economy of his pseudo-state would collapse.

was it really just a show, for whom? do you really think that erdogan gives a fak what you think or believe you stupid idiot.
i wish he did cut the finances. but he does not because he can't.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Sotos » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:26 pm

It was a show for you, to take your votes and keep his position. And you wish that Turkey cut the finances, really? So what are you going to do if they do that? Aren't you going to go back begging? Even if Akinci had the will and balls to actually take any action against the wishes of Erdogan, then Erdogan can easily bring him back in line, and if he continues to disobey, Erdogan can make your whole community pay the price and then you will replace your "president" with somebody obedient.

Akinci's power is akin to that of a Mayor of a town. For the little internal issues that Erdogan doesn't care about.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:36 pm

Sotos wrote:It was a show for you, to take your votes and keep his position. And you wish that Turkey cut the finances, really? So what are you going to do if they do that? Aren't you going to go back begging? Even if Akinci had the will and balls to actually take any action against the wishes of Erdogan, then Erdogan can easily bring him back in line, and if he continues to disobey, Erdogan can make your whole community pay the price and then you will replace your "president" with somebody obedient.

Akinci's power is akin to that of a Mayor of a town. For the little internal issues that Erdogan doesn't care about.

there is something seriously wrong with your mentality to caim on one side we have no power erdogan is in charge and then to claim that erodgan has to make us feel as though we are in charge so he puts a show on for us the tcs. who told you you erdogan gives a fak what terggish cypriots think you stupid asshole.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Sotos » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:59 pm

The one who puts on a show is Akinci, and fortunately for him there are lots of people with low IQ such as you who fall for it.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:40 pm

Sotos wrote:The one who puts on a show is Akinci, and fortunately for him there are lots of people with low IQ such as you who fall for it.

you what? and erdogan entertain's him does he? you stupid boy.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:11 am

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:You guys who are so over optimistic about Akinci, should first try to understand the political system in the occupied.
It's not like the RoC where the president has all the executive powers!

Akinci has limited powers, as limited as those Denktash had in 2004 when Talat was the PM and Turkey used him as a substitute of "equal authoruty" during the Anan Plan negotiations. He cannot even appoint his own Ministers unless he agrees with the political parties. Fyi 8 out of 10 Ministers in the occupied are from Denktash's party including Tatar the PM. Most of the executive power in the occupied is in the hands of the PM and the ministers.

Akinci is not the one who decides of what happens in the occupied, It's the Prime minister and his ministers. When Ozersay+Tatar recently decided the opening of Varoshia for donation to Turkish businessmen + settlers Akinci said "erm... but it's not me who did it , it's them"!!

Still presumably Akinci as President has the authority to negotiate the Cyprus problem, after he consults Turkey and get instructions.
Those who think he is not a puppet, may go on and explain us why he yielded to Ankara's demand to refuse continuation of the talks for a whole year on the excuse of the upcoming British elections?
Why last August while he unofficially accepted the draft agreement wih J.H. Lute changed his mind after flying to Turkey?
The Turkish policy is clear:delay at all costs, postponements upon postponements for eternity.
I bet the next excuse will be the upcoming elections in the occupied....

Akinci is certainly better than others in the occupied, but don't hold your breath that he has enough power to do much.

you were going so well about your knowledge about the system in the north which is superior in democracy than the south. i mean fancy selecting ministers thta have not been elected by the public.

when it comes akinci and how much he is under control suddenly your stupidity hits the roof.

here is a man that was accused by erdogan, cavusoglu and bahceli as neing unfit to be president of the terrgish cypriots and you still maintain he takes orders from him.

there must be some magnetic field you leave and it renders you an idiot. stay in the magnetic field.


The Ministers in the pseudo state are not elected! They are appointed by the PM. The fact that they happen to have been elected as MPs is a joke that turns democracy in the pseudo to a total farce. You can't elect someone to become a MP and then suddenly someone else make him a PM and that PM appoint Ministers of his own choosing from the MPs.

Akinci's limited (internal) powers staerts from that. It's a proven fact that nobody can govern when his cabinet by the vast majority opposes his policies and often acts against his wishes as e.g. happened with Varoshia recently.

As for been accused by various Turks, that does not mean he is not a puppet. He is a puppet alright, who sometimes dares to kick.And he usually kicks softly like he did recently with Turkey's invasion in Syria. Turkey wants a total puppet not a puppet that sometimes kicks a little.

You may brag for as much as you like that the political system in the occupied is better and more democratic (sic) but for all it matters to us, Akinci's power and freedom of movement in solving the Cyprus problem is crippled down to almost zero. Both because he has no supporting Cabinet, and because Turkey sets the rules he can't disobey.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Lordo » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:27 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:You guys who are so over optimistic about Akinci, should first try to understand the political system in the occupied.
It's not like the RoC where the president has all the executive powers!

Akinci has limited powers, as limited as those Denktash had in 2004 when Talat was the PM and Turkey used him as a substitute of "equal authoruty" during the Anan Plan negotiations. He cannot even appoint his own Ministers unless he agrees with the political parties. Fyi 8 out of 10 Ministers in the occupied are from Denktash's party including Tatar the PM. Most of the executive power in the occupied is in the hands of the PM and the ministers.

Akinci is not the one who decides of what happens in the occupied, It's the Prime minister and his ministers. When Ozersay+Tatar recently decided the opening of Varoshia for donation to Turkish businessmen + settlers Akinci said "erm... but it's not me who did it , it's them"!!

Still presumably Akinci as President has the authority to negotiate the Cyprus problem, after he consults Turkey and get instructions.
Those who think he is not a puppet, may go on and explain us why he yielded to Ankara's demand to refuse continuation of the talks for a whole year on the excuse of the upcoming British elections?
Why last August while he unofficially accepted the draft agreement wih J.H. Lute changed his mind after flying to Turkey?
The Turkish policy is clear:delay at all costs, postponements upon postponements for eternity.
I bet the next excuse will be the upcoming elections in the occupied....

Akinci is certainly better than others in the occupied, but don't hold your breath that he has enough power to do much.

you were going so well about your knowledge about the system in the north which is superior in democracy than the south. i mean fancy selecting ministers thta have not been elected by the public.

when it comes akinci and how much he is under control suddenly your stupidity hits the roof.

here is a man that was accused by erdogan, cavusoglu and bahceli as neing unfit to be president of the terrgish cypriots and you still maintain he takes orders from him.

there must be some magnetic field you leave and it renders you an idiot. stay in the magnetic field.


The Ministers in the pseudo state are not elected! They are appointed by the PM. The fact that they happen to have been elected as MPs is a joke that turns democracy in the pseudo to a total farce. You can't elect someone to become a MP and then suddenly someone else make him a PM and that PM appoint Ministers of his own choosing from the MPs.

Akinci's limited (internal) powers staerts from that. It's a proven fact that nobody can govern when his cabinet by the vast majority opposes his policies and often acts against his wishes as e.g. happened with Varoshia recently.

As for been accused by various Turks, that does not mean he is not a puppet. He is a puppet alright, who sometimes dares to kick.And he usually kicks softly like he did recently with Turkey's invasion in Syria. Turkey wants a total puppet not a puppet that sometimes kicks a little.

You may brag for as much as you like that the political system in the occupied is better and more democratic (sic) but for all it matters to us, Akinci's power and freedom of movement in solving the Cyprus problem is crippled down to almost zero. Both because he has no supporting Cabinet, and because Turkey sets the rules he can't disobey.

do you find it as funny as in the south where the ministers are not elected as mps and then get selected by the president. and this is in some way more democratic. you really have converted to a worse ass than the rest of your fanatics. a lot of fanatics start as a fanatic but they mellow down, you have bucked the trend.

of course you have your own opinion and i thonk you know all about opinions and what is said about them. we all have one right?

As to solving the cyprus problem. you really is blind as a bat.

Listen towhat akinci says about the talks and the un and then if you still don't see it, it is not just glasses you need, its a new brain. may i reccomend the brain of a navvi as it will have less milage on it.

this is the best thing i have read for a very long time.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/11/02/secu ... ripartite/

<<<Paragraph 15 of the resolution adopted last July says that the Security Council requests the Secretary-General to submit by 15 November 2019 a report on his Good Offices, in particular on progress towards reaching a consensus starting point for [list=40[i]]meaningful results-oriented negotiations leading to a settlement.[/list][/i]>>

read, read and read again and again and again. and then one more time repeat.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:50 pm

Lordo wrote:do you find it as funny as in the south where the ministers are not elected as mps and then get selected by the president. and this is in some way more democratic. you really have converted to a worse ass than the rest of your fanatics. a lot of fanatics start as a fanatic but they mellow down, you have bucked the trend.

of course you have your own opinion and i thonk you know all about opinions and what is said about them. we all have one right?

As to solving the cyprus problem. you really is blind as a bat.

Listen towhat akinci says about the talks and the un and then if you still don't see it, it is not just glasses you need, its a new brain. may i reccomend the brain of a navvi as it will have less milage on it.

this is the best thing i have read for a very long time.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/11/02/secu ... ripartite/

<<<Paragraph 15 of the resolution adopted last July says that the Security Council requests the Secretary-General to submit by 15 November 2019 a report on his Good Offices, in particular on progress towards reaching a consensus starting point for [list=40[i]]meaningful results-oriented negotiations leading to a settlement.[/list][/i]>>

read, read and read again and again and again. and then one more time repeat.


Not only the system in the occupied is undemocratic (by stealing the people's votes for MPs turning them to Ministers) but it also breaks the principle of separation of powers by obliging the "president" to form a cabinet using members of the "parliament". Hence both the executive and the legislative are the same. The worse of it is that it doesn't even work!
It could work if the head of the executive was the PM elected directly from the parliament just like in all other Parliamentary democracies. But then again look at the UK where BOJO lost support in the Parliament and got his hands tied. The same happened in Greece when Tsipras lost the majority and had no other option than resign.

Still the geniuses in the occupied decided to elect the head of the State directly from the people, but at the same time forcing him to form a cabinet using members of the Parliament. Hence Akinci decides one thing and Tatar (the PM) +Ozersay do exactly the opposite.
instead of throwing curses use your little brain to work it out instead of trying to convince me that the pseudo system is a working democracy. Wear your presbyopia glasses and tell us how Akinci can decide about anything when he doesn't even have one MP of his own in the "parliament" and 7 out of 10 ministers are partitionists.

Perhaps the whole system in the occupied was a trick designed to confuse both the GCs and the outside world of who exactly decides in the occupied.
As for your meaningless link, sure the talks may start once again. As soon as they are about to reach something Akinci (the decorative figure who has absolutely no power) will be ordered to find ways to terminate them. Or else Chavusoglu from Ankara will do it, like he did in Gans Montana. A total waste of time using Akinci as a decorative puppet figure.... It happened before and will be repeated for as long as necessary. This is Ankara's plan, this is the plan of the partitionists in the occupied, who were always holding the vast majority of seats in the "Cabinet"...
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Londonrake » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:33 pm

I read these posts with interest. They give a fairly intimate insight into the problem(s) here. Much more so than some news rag article. There's clearly a lot of passion, tinged in some cases with long held bitterness and pessimism.

I don't want to cross-pollute threads but to be honest it makes me wonder why you two guys (in essence allies) get so agitated on the subject of Brexit. Which, in comparison, seems pretty small beer. :?
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