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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:56 pm

Londonrake wrote:I read these posts with interest. They give a fairly intimate insight into the problem(s) here. Much more so than some news rag article. There's clearly a lot of passion, tinged in some cases with long held bitterness and pessimism.

I don't want to cross-pollute threads but to be honest it makes me wonder why you two guys (in essence allies) get so agitated on the subject of Brexit. Which, in comparison, seems pretty small beer. :?


We are Cypriots and like most Cypriots we like heated discussions.
We learn from each other this way. We fall asleep been civil to each other...
We may agree on a certain issue making us look like allies, and disagree on another making us look like enemies.

I personally like to discuss fascinating topics. Brexit is the only fascinating topic currently in this forum.
It became "fascinating" to me only a few months ago. Before that I wouldn't give a toss.

You are right the Brexit issue is comparatively a small beer. When I joined this forum 90% of the participants (including myself) were discussing the Cyprus problem. There were nights when more than 100 people were posting. Slowly slowly everybody lost interest.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Londonrake » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:56 am

Whilst you find it fascinating - and I suppose, given it's historical importance, that can't be denied - looking across several I think I can say from some experience that Brexit has done for forums what it has for the country. Probably the most divisive and ultimately destructive subject in my (forum) lifetime. What particularly engenders pessimism is the realisation that - however things go - it's unlikely to be over for a very long time.

Gone are the days when the worst we had was passionate and animated arguments over the likes of Man U V City it seems.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Sotos » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:19 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Not only the system in the occupied is undemocratic (by stealing the people's votes for MPs turning them to Ministers)...


What makes the system in the north undemocratic is the fact that the whole "state" is setup by a foreign country, on occupied territory, after ethnically cleansing the majority of the native population and replacing them with foreign Settlers.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Sotos » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:31 am

Londonrake wrote:I read these posts with interest. They give a fairly intimate insight into the problem(s) here. Much more so than some news rag article. There's clearly a lot of passion, tinged in some cases with long held bitterness and pessimism.

I don't want to cross-pollute threads but to be honest it makes me wonder why you two guys (in essence allies) get so agitated on the subject of Brexit. Which, in comparison, seems pretty small beer. :?


Because they lived for many years in the UK. I don't particularly care about Brexit, other than how it affects us (not much). Probably it will affect negatively to a degree some of our exports to UK and tourism from UK, but on the other hand politically it will benefit us a bit since UK has always been the greatest supporter of Turkey in EU. (Funny how the extremely remote possibility of Turkey's accession in EU was one of the arguments for Brexit. Your Foreign Office loves them.)
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Londonrake » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:35 am

It wasn't my intention to turn this into another Brexit thread. It just seemed anomalous that people like Lordo and Pyro were metaphorically at each others throats when it came to discussing the problems here - their homeland - but allies on the subject of another country's arguments over it's future path.

I'd add that the subject of Turkey and the EU never appeared at all on my radar. I took all the talk of millions of Turks swarming across Europe as just another aspect of Project Fear. I can't say either that it's ever been raised when I've talked to people about Brexit. I know Blair was keen on Turkey being a candidate for entry but he ended up being the man who "didn't say that in my name" on a lot of things.

So, i'll just leave it there.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Lordo » Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:32 pm

Londonrake wrote:It wasn't my intention to turn this into another Brexit thread. It just seemed anomalous that people like Lordo and Pyro were metaphorically at each others throats when it came to discussing the problems here - their homeland - but allies on the subject of another country's arguments over it's future path.

I'd add that the subject of Turkey and the EU never appeared at all on my radar. I took all the talk of millions of Turks swarming across Europe as just another aspect of Project Fear. I can't say either that it's ever been raised when I've talked to people about Brexit. I know Blair was keen on Turkey being a candidate for entry but he ended up being the man who "didn't say that in my name" on a lot of things.

So, i'll just leave it there.

leave it where?

if a subject is debated, and you totally disagree with a poster, do you not challenge it becasue you agree on a different subject.

whenit comes to akinci i notice nobody has said a word about the wording of un resolution repeating word for word what akinci is demanding. not erdogan, not the assholes in greece and ceetianly not anachronistic anastasiades and what we are supposed to say oh well thats alrght we agree on brexit. like hell it is. when you is wrong then you wil be challenged. show evidence, just belief aint no good nohow. know what i mean like innit?
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:24 pm

Sotos wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Not only the system in the occupied is undemocratic (by stealing the people's votes for MPs turning them to Ministers)...


What makes the system in the north undemocratic is the fact that the whole "state" is setup by a foreign country, on occupied territory, after ethnically cleansing the majority of the native population and replacing them with foreign Settlers.


I meant over and above that.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Sotos » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:31 pm

Lordo wrote:whenit comes to akinci i notice nobody has said a word about the wording of un resolution repeating word for word what akinci is demanding.


Which UN resolution? 353, which "Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus;" or 541 which declares the "trnc" as "legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal"?

Please do tell me which UN resolution contains Akinci's demands "word for word".
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Lordo » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:43 pm

you isalittle behind the times you stupid boy.

Resolution 2483

The Security Council requested through Resolution 2483, last July, that the Secretary-General submits his report on his Good Offices Mission by November 15. The two Cyprus leaders have already submitted the written updates which the Security Council asked to be included in the Good Offices report.

Paragraph 15 of the resolution adopted last July says that the Security Council requests the Secretary-General to submit by 15 November 2019 a report on his Good Offices, in particular on progress towards reaching a consensus starting point for meaningful results-oriented negotiations leading to a settlement.


now roll it up
griis it up
shove it up.
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Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.

Postby Sotos » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:18 pm

Lordo wrote:you isalittle behind the times you stupid boy.

Resolution 2483

The Security Council requested through Resolution 2483, last July, that the Secretary-General submits his report on his Good Offices Mission by November 15. The two Cyprus leaders have already submitted the written updates which the Security Council asked to be included in the Good Offices report.

Paragraph 15 of the resolution adopted last July says that the Security Council requests the Secretary-General to submit by 15 November 2019 a report on his Good Offices, in particular on progress towards reaching a consensus starting point for meaningful results-oriented negotiations leading to a settlement.


now roll it up
griis it up
shove it up.


What you quoted is totally irrelevant. Where are Akinci's demands in that??? Are you just trolling, or is your IQ really that low?
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