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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:23 pm

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Lordo wrote:it really is very clear. we built up a debt of 1000billion between 1945 and 2010 under all government put together and this debt included the 500billion the government gave to bankers and the tories pushed it up to 1800billion in 9 years and they consider this as good economic performance.

i cannot understand how anybody that has half a brain cell does not see it.

is your brain so poisoned that because they helped you evade some tax, they can do no wrong.


gave to Bankers?


Evidence please! Where is your evidence?

you really are the most stupid individual i have ever come across. even the one legged toad knew about this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/3157728/Gordon-Brown-hails-500-billion-bank-rescue-plan.html

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh so it was a bail out!

And it was one of Corbynov's mates who did it too!

Well then rejoice in the fact the Tories are gonna win a landslide! 8)
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:25 pm

miltiades wrote:He, bucketman, will leave the moment Brexit is done. He will be around 110 years old by then :lol:


I didn't know Cyprus Grump was 109!

He's an even older old fart than you then! :shock:
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:25 pm

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Lordo wrote:this one is for all those who pretend that there is nothing wrong with privatising the nhs. shame on them.

i mean not releasing the body of a child becuse of unpaid bills. may their god have mercy on them and all those who support privatising nhs.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-50502254


Who in here is talking about privatising the NHS? Well, you actually.

That's a story about Indonesia. What's it got to do with the NHS? Why not post an Azerbaijan health service tragedy? Desperate, or what? :?

When you talk about privatising the NHS - do you mean like when Brown ramped up PFI contracts, costing the UK taxpayer billions every year, just to buy marginal constituency votes, whilst "keeping it off the books"?

I wouldn't expect you to read it but here's an insight:

https://inews.co.uk/news/legacy-pfi-con ... ion-815305

Labour - bunch of "faikin" hypocrites.

ehem ehem ehem, who catually came up with pfi it was not john major was it? and secondly why were they not stopped in the last 9 years. i am afraid corbyn voted against all of them when labour was in government too under blair/brown as well as under this government. so who are the hypocrites again?
It is a valid comparison as the tories would like to emulate indonesia with their trade deals. But there is a clue as to privatising the nhs. The government has been talking to the americans about a deal and they have released a document outlining their discussions with every page blacked out. What was the point of releasing trade negotiations with every single line blacked out. Let me see now, would have anything to do with the fact that it mentions nhs, noooo it can’t be. I mean when did they ever lie about what they are doing, or what they have done or what they are going to do.

Have some faith man don’t lose heart of your glorious leader, he will part the sea and lead you to the promise lands. Honestly. And I think the sea in question is the irish sea so they can put the pegs in for the new irish border.
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:28 pm

Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:this one is for all those who pretend that there is nothing wrong with privatising the nhs. shame on them.

i mean not releasing the body of a child becuse of unpaid bills. may their god have mercy on them and all those who support privatising nhs.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-50502254


Who in here is talking about privatising the NHS? Well, you actually.

That's a story about Indonesia. What's it got to do with the NHS? Why not post an Azerbaijan health service tragedy? Desperate, or what? :?

When you talk about privatising the NHS - do you mean like when Brown ramped up PFI contracts, costing the UK taxpayer billions every year, just to buy marginal constituency votes, whilst "keeping it off the books"?

I wouldn't expect you to read it but here's an insight:

https://inews.co.uk/news/legacy-pfi-con ... ion-815305

Labour - bunch of "faikin" hypocrites.

ehem ehem ehem, who catually came up with pfi it was not john major was it? and secondly why were they not stopped in the last 9 years. i am afraid corbyn voted against all of them when labour was in government too under blair/brown as well as under this government. so who are the hypocrites again?
It is a valid comparison as the tories would like to emulate indonesia with their trade deals. But there is a clue as to privatising the nhs. The government has been talking to the americans about a deal and they have released a document outlining their discussions with every page blacked out. What was the point of releasing trade negotiations with every single line blacked out. Let me see now, would have anything to do with the fact that it mentions nhs, noooo it can’t be. I mean when did they ever lie about what they are doing, or what they have done or what they are going to do.

Have some faith man don’t lose heart of your glorious leader, he will part the sea and lead you to the promise lands. Honestly. And I think the sea in question is the irish sea so they can put the pegs in for the new irish border.


I would really like to know how the hell the NHS can be privatized!

What's in the water over there in the UK?

Can't be anything good! :shock:
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:32 pm

i am so glad you have mentioned pfi's, so here is some information abour pfi

1992: The Private Finance Initiative is launched by John Major's Conservative Government to finance new public sector buildings. The then Chancellor Norman Lamont said in the autumn statement: “Obviously, the interests of the taxpayer have to be protected, but I also want to ensure that sensible investment decisions are taken whenever the opportunity arises.”

1995: Britain's first PFI project, Scotland's Skye Bridge, opens. Within a decade, a public outcry over its high toll charges forces the Scottish Executive to buy the bridge from its private owners at a cost of £27m.

1997: Two months after New Labour sweeps into power, the Health Secretary Alan Milburn announces it is “PFI or bust” for the funding of infrastructure. Use of the model soars through the Tony Blair and Gordon Brown years. Two years later, Mr Milburn said there had been an “upsurge in confidence… that PFI can deliver the goods”.

1999: Alan Milburn says: “Since we came to office in May 1997, this Government has revitalised PFI so that today we can rightly say that it is a key tool in helping provide effective and good value public services.” Richard Smith, the editor of the British Medical Journal, denounces PFI it as “PFI: Perfidious Financial Idiocy” in an editorial revealing that repayments will be exorbitant.

2007: The value of PFI deals peaks, with private companies investing £8.6bn in public infrastructure.

2008: Use of PFI falls in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis.

2011: After the Coalition government comes to power, two parliamentary committees heavily criticise PFI. The Public Accounts Committee suspects companies are making excessive profits from the schemes, with chair Margaret Hodge MP warning that “tax revenue is being lost through the use of off-shore arrangements by PFI investors”. She said: “While PFI has delivered many new public buildings and services that might not otherwise have been built, it is far from clear that it has provided value for money. At present, PFI looks like a better deal for the private sector than for the taxpayer.” In the same year, the Treasury Committee also finds the full cost of a hospital built under PFI is set to be 70 per cent higher than a publicly funded one.

2012: The Chancellor George Osborne relaunches the PFI model as PF2, run in a similar way but with more details of the deals to be made public. He said: “Since we can all see now that the public sector was sharing the risk, we will now ensure we also share in the reward.”

2018: Sir Howard Davies, the chairman of Royal Bank of Scotland - a PFI investor - calls the model a "fraud on the people". The National Audit Office publishes a key report finding little evidence of PFI’s benefits. The Chancellor Philip Hammond abolishes PFI but old schemes remain in place.

so what were you saying bout pfi's again?

you cannot say i do not read what you post.
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Londonrake » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:39 pm

Lordo wrote:ehem ehem ehem, who catually came up with pfi it was not john major was it? and secondly why were they not stopped in the last 9 years. i am afraid corbyn voted against all of them when labour was in government too under blair/brown as well as under this government. so who are the hypocrites again?


Yes, you're correct, PFI was originally a Tory idea but Brown took a Tory acorn and turned it into a Labour forest of oaks. This, from somebody who supposedly represents a party that vehemently opposes privatisation of the NHS. I think that qualifies for a teeny weeny bit of a hypocrisy label. No? :wink:

Corbyn voted against everything. :lol: He voted against his own party's legislation 500 times (including absolutely every act relating to the EU). That, from a man who now piously and indignantly calls for "loyalty" and presents himself as the face of remain. Hyporcrisy? :lol: :lol: :lol: You couldn't make it up.
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:51 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:ehem ehem ehem, who catually came up with pfi it was not john major was it? and secondly why were they not stopped in the last 9 years. i am afraid corbyn voted against all of them when labour was in government too under blair/brown as well as under this government. so who are the hypocrites again?


Yes, you're correct, PFI was originally a Tory idea but Brown took a Tory acorn and turned it into a Labour forest of oaks. This, from somebody who supposedly represents a party that vehemently opposes privatisation of the NHS. I think that qualifies for a teeny weeny bit of a hypocrisy label. No? :wink:

Corbyn voted against everything. :lol: He voted against his own party's legislation 500 times (including absolutely every act relating to the EU). That, from a man who now piously and indignantly calls for "loyalty" and presents himself as the face of remain. Hyporcrisy? :lol: :lol: :lol: You couldn't make it up.

this is why he will not take sides on the matter and will also take it away from the politicians. as soon as he gets the best deal he can he will put it to the public on a binding vote. how can you be against such a notion. you are hung up on the vote of 2016 and yet you ignore only 13 million or so voted for brexit means brexit message and still no clear idea what it means. what does brexit means brexit mean. shit means shit makes more sense even tough you have explain what kind of shit. and or course we are about to have our thrid election in 4 years an yet you oppose two referendums in 4 years. as spok would say, you are illogical captain. you have been spending too log with your nose in uhura's arse. give it a rest.
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Londonrake » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:56 pm

Lordo wrote: shit means shit makes more sense even tough you have explain what kind of shit. ............... as spok would say, you are illogical captain. you have been spending too log with your nose in uhura's arse. give it a rest.


That's why I won't respond to the post.

It's hard work I know but do try to "faikin" grow up. :roll:
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:18 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
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BTW CG what is your connection to this house ? https://www.uniquecyprusvilla.com/ Is it yours ? Are you looking to sell up ? Leave Cyprus (for an even lower tax regime location maybe) ?


A stalker! :lol:

Do you want to buy it...? If not, mind your own business... :wink:

oh nooooo you are not leaving cyprus are you, hang on a while more, there is a second haircut coming and quite soon.


Nah, just bought another property in Pissouri... :D


Now second homes or more - they should be taxed considerably higher than first homes. To buy and for ongoing local taxes as well ;) Then use the extra money raised to build social housing.
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:02 pm

erolz66 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
BTW CG what is your connection to this house ? https://www.uniquecyprusvilla.com/ Is it yours ? Are you looking to sell up ? Leave Cyprus (for an even lower tax regime location maybe) ?


A stalker! :lol:

Do you want to buy it...? If not, mind your own business... :wink:

oh nooooo you are not leaving cyprus are you, hang on a while more, there is a second haircut coming and quite soon.


Nah, just bought another property in Pissouri... :D


Now second homes or more - they should be taxed considerably higher than first homes. To buy and for ongoing local taxes as well ;) Then use the extra money raised to build social housing.


"Tax the rich, tax the rich, TAX THE RICH!" Colour me surprised... :roll:
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