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Re: the war against Libya

Postby Paphitis » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:17 am

repulsewarrior wrote:[01] Erdogan: "We may increase UVAs in Lefkonoiko"
Turkish Cypriot daily Kibris Postasi (18.12.19-https://www.kibrispostasi.com/c35-KIBRISHABERLERI/n306310-erdogan-gecitkaledeki-ihalarin-sayisini-yukseltebiliriz) reports that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan answering journalists' questions in Geneva where he took part in the 1st Global Refugee Forum, stated, inter alia, that the number of the unmanned aerial vehicles (UVA's) that have been stationed in the "TRNC" may increase if needed. "If a need arises in the future, the number of UVAs will increase. This step is very important", Erdogan said.

Asked to comment on the agreement that Turkey signed with Libya, Erdogan described this agreement as a lasting and historic issue. "These steps place the Treaty of Serves into the corner. It is that important", he said, adding: "If there is a need then everything can change. Libya is meeting its own needs. The military. security and cooperation agreement between us is further strengthening our solidarity", Erdogan said, adding that Turkey is ready to provide any kind of help to Libya when asked.


They can't even get the technical terms correct.

So why would I want to read this source when they call a UAV, a UVA? :?
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Re: the war against Libya

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:10 am

"These steps place the Treaty of Serves into the corner. It is that important", he said,

...is why.
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Re: the war against Libya

Postby Paphitis » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:23 am

repulsewarrior wrote:"These steps place the Treaty of Serves into the corner. It is that important", he said,

...is why.


First, his MOU goes against the UNCLOS Treaty and has therefore no merit so i wouldn't suggest anything this criminal has to say as being important.

What is important is Greece's response and according to Greek PM, they are going to defend their EEZ at all cost and that could also result in Hellenic Naval Ships firing upon any Turkish Drilling Ship that violates Greece's EEZ.
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Re: the war against Libya

Postby B25 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:44 pm

Paphitis wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:"These steps place the Treaty of Serves into the corner. It is that important", he said,

...is why.


First, his MOU goes against the UNCLOS Treaty and has therefore no merit so i wouldn't suggest anything this criminal has to say as being important.

What is important is Greece's response and according to Greek PM, they are going to defend their EEZ at all cost and that could also result in Hellenic Naval Ships firing upon any Turkish Drilling Ship that violates Greece's EEZ.


Greece, does not have the balls to shoot at Turkey, sad but true.
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Re: the war against Libya

Postby Paphitis » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:30 pm

B25 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:"These steps place the Treaty of Serves into the corner. It is that important", he said,

...is why.


First, his MOU goes against the UNCLOS Treaty and has therefore no merit so i wouldn't suggest anything this criminal has to say as being important.

What is important is Greece's response and according to Greek PM, they are going to defend their EEZ at all cost and that could also result in Hellenic Naval Ships firing upon any Turkish Drilling Ship that violates Greece's EEZ.


Greece, does not have the balls to shoot at Turkey, sad but true.


they might not have a choice.

If they don't, there is a good chance Greece kisses good byre to trillions in resources.

see that's the thing. When money and resources are at stake, everything is possible
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Re: the war against Libya

Postby Maximus » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:38 pm

The Turks definitely wont be able to sell any gas to the EU and they still haven't found anything.

Prosecutions, asset freezes and sanctions for Turkey and TPAO are on the cards.

They have check mated themselves and they have blown their chances of being a transit country.

Europe now probably just sees a rogue nation living on the fringes of its continent. With a "government" that has no legitimacy or credibility.
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Re: the war against Libya

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Re: the war against Libya

Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:26 am

Maximus wrote:The Turks definitely wont be able to sell any gas to the EU and they still haven't found anything.

Prosecutions, asset freezes and sanctions for Turkey and TPAO are on the cards.

They have check mated themselves and they have blown their chances of being a transit country.

Europe now probably just sees a rogue nation living on the fringes of its continent. With a "government" that has no legitimacy or credibility.


I hope this is true. legally, it appears they have cornered themselves as international opinion goes against them.

I still believe that for as long as we do nothing, Turkey becomes ever more bold in its actions. If the Hellenic Navy cause an incident, I hope and would like to believe that France and Italy will shield Greece from Turkey. NATO will also take a stance after the situation is internationalized and Turkey maintains its rhetoric.

But what the powers will not do (France, Italy, USA, Egypt and others), is fight Greece's battle. Greece needs to defend its financial interests, and then rely on international intervention after that.
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Re: the war against Libya

Postby Maximus » Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:33 am

What the Turks are trying to do here is steal any resources that might be in Libya’s Eez. Install a puppet government and practically occupy the country with “permission”.

By declaring this pseudo eez, the Turks are trying to create a strangle hold on Europe.

You will see, endorgan has bitten off far more than he can chew.

It’s clear to everyone else that what goes on in his mind is just a fallacy but deal with him they must because he is going to force them too.
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Re: the war against Libya

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:29 am

...in any case, Greece has attack aircraft, Turkey does not have the same range. And as i recall, Greece has more frigates too.

It would not be an easy fight if Greece were to go at it alone, what with Turkey's superiority in numbers; but in the moments which would start a war, it would be an even fight, training and discipline will count for a lot. Though, in a year or two Turkey will have bigger numbers and sizes of ships.
(Let's not forget the batteries of S-400s Turkey is acquiring, either.) (Let's not forget the S-300 stationed in Crete).

Spain i ask, what will she do, who does she support, because at some point her, Italy and Libya will have to settle their own boundaries. She, with Turkey have excellent relations, or have her Patriots been pulled from Turkish soil, correct me if i'm wrong, she is close to Turkey in Naval affairs too.

...so far brinkmanship has had some success; witness what DAESH was capable of doing live on TV, and still those not "them" did not rise up in unity against these horrors. It is not so hard for Erdogan's Turkey to imagine that the same on the high seas is a far cry less reason to draw equal force and attention. In Syria, Turkey has what she wants, (from Russia, and, America,) that too is worth mentioning.

In any case, France, Italy, and Egypt have made their position very clear, and along with Israel they form a significant balance to Turkey's hostility.

...a wider war, if Turkey's, Army, invades Greece's mainland, (or a populated island) how would NATO and/or the EU react to that; could they expect Greece to go it alone? It is a possibility. And yet, as things are, it does not stop at Greece, and/or Cyprus, those not "Turkish" must not think that appeasement or a tribute secures anything more, than more attention in that way. Indeed, the balance of power in this wider region has been opened to change.
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