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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:08 pm

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- As to the 15 July 2016 attempted coup, theories abound but one that has merit is that a Kemalist group within the military tricked the Gülenists into starting a coup saying they would support them and then they went to Erdoğan and told him they could stop the coup if he accpeted their demands. This was seemingly a group on the fascist wing of Kemalilsm. This would then explain the subsequent permanent inclusion in government of the far-right MHP and a nutcase like Doğu Perinçek and the stunning policy U-turns that Erdoğan made following the failed coup, especially abandoning the bold moves he had been taking to find a political solution to the Kurdish problem and making it a military issue once more and taking harsh moves against the HDP party which has its origins in the Kurdish movement going as far as throwing many of its leading lights into jail.

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A tweet today from Selahattin Demirtaş, former general chair of the HDP party, sometimes described as the political wing of the Kurdish separatist movement, who has been held in pre-trial custody since November 2016 on blatantly political charges, in which he says an organized grouping within the state is using unconstitutional means to set up an authoritarian regime further supports the above thesis. I would suggest that this is the same group that orchestrated the coup and then turned it to its own advantage as I have described above. I consider Demirtaş to be a very astute observer, even if it is hard for him to follow events from jail.

Evrensel newspaper has reported on the tweet in English:

Selahattin Demirtaş: A structure secretly organized within the state is bringing its agenda to life

https://www.evrensel.net/daily/411072/s ... da-to-life
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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:00 pm

...i have to remind us (the rest of the world), there is Halki, still under the subjugation of "Turks", and still shuttered to its students.

Here is the heart and soul of the Orthodox religion starved, and we fret about an ancient relic, as though it is something new for "Turkishness" to simply ignore "others".

...indeed, Erdogan got off the train he calls Democracy: his intentions have remained the same; it is a low opinion of Humanity, (and yet where was Humanity when "gays" were burned alive in cages, not that long ago?)

Having isolated himself, having disrupted the balance of power as it is, in his hypothesis what we see is his progress; how far is (read: will be) too far?
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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:18 pm

...ignorance has results too,

https://orthodoxtimes.com/three-thousan ... ia-sophia/

Three thousand people became infected with the coronavirus in prayer in Hagia Sophia


...what more to say?
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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:23 pm

There appears here an English translation of today's editorial by Fatih Polat, editor of Evrensel, one of the last remaining opposition daily print newspapers in Turkey, in which he touches on the Hagia Sophia issue within the context of the decaying narrative the ruling AKP uses to justify its existence.

https://www.evrensel.net/daily/411828/t ... -narrative
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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:54 pm

...thanks Tim, very interesting, hopeful, that there are (still) thinkers in Turkey opposed to the Principals that the AKP, and Erdogan support.

...also an interesting newspaper.
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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:11 pm

In a similar vein to the above article, while not addressing the Hagia Sophia issue, I think you could include it among the external distractions Evrensel columnist Yusuf Karataş argues in the following translated article that the Erdoğan regime is using to conceal its failures and shore up its waning support.

The power holders of Turkey are seeking to conceal their domestic failures with tension abroad!

https://www.evrensel.net/daily/
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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:26 pm

...again; you say, after Saint Sophia? I say nothing new.

i ask, what of Halki?

...still a living relic, not a "Museum", despite being shuttered to students, also in Istanbul.

...speak of Injustice: what is it like to live in this Seminary, (central to one of the World's Religions), where learning in affect is forbidden.

...is this "Turkishness"?


https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turk ... -byzantine

Turkey turns another former Byzantine church into a mosque
Renowned for its mosaics and frescoes, the Chora Church in Istanbul will now once again function as a mosque


also,

https://ahvalnews.com/chora/turkey-re-c ... eum-mosque

...worrying, indeed.
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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:12 am

Hagia Sophia is open for prayers, but not to Kurds

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origin ... z6WAeMXQI2

...Kurds, Muslim or not are just not "Turkish" enough, it seems.
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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby Maximus » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:04 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:Hagia Sophia is open for prayers, but not to Kurds

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origin ... z6WAeMXQI2

...Kurds, Muslim or not are just not "Turkish" enough, it seems.


But Hamas members are.

Erdogan has given them Turkish passports and was hosting them in Constantinople only last week. One of them is wanted by interpol for committing terrorist attacks and kidnappings. This is the second time Erdogan has hosted this terrorist organization in Turkey.

Can you imagine if Turkey was an EU member? she would be giving out passports or selling them to a whole host of unsavory characters so they can go to Europe, with "rights", "legally".

There wouldn't be a migrant crisis but much worse, they would all be crossing in great numbers as "Turkish citizens".

Christopher hitches once said over a decade ago that Turkey is no bridge between east and west, it is a tunnel, a very dark tunnel.

This is how Turkey was trying to sell herself to the EU two decades ago, when Erdogan came to power with his clown Eu minister, Eggman Bagis. As a bridge between east and west.

But today, it looks like east and west are bypassing this "bridge" to gather together in opposition to Turkish belligerence regardless.

Just to see how far things have come today and the lies that have been fed along the way.

Endorgan has slowly taken his nation from an aspiring EU candidate country to a rogue Islamist dictatorship.

He said he is about "justice and development" but turns out it is the complete opposite.
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Re: Erdogan turns Hagia Sophia in to a mosque

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:21 pm

Halki, it's no coincidence.

https://orthodoxtimes.com/the-sanatoriu ... ic-school/

...the seminary close by of course stays closed.
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