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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:26 pm

Friday, March 30, 2012
Cyprus :: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today? - Page 5#p711686
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus37424-40.html#p711686


you see vp, i/I fight for Cyprus. everyday i used to tend my trees, our trees were tended too.


were you here before the "fait accompli"? it is the "Greeks" and the "Turks" who have held their

debate without success, it is about time for the Greeks and Turks to create their own Agenda.

...but what do i know, coming from a "mixed" village.



enosis, better means, to mend. its meaning Historically changed over time. i take it to mean

the future as one. you, if you are a "Turk", take it to mean belonging to Greece, or belonging

to Turkey, as though this is correct thinking. i say as Cypriots we have the great distinction of defining

the words Nation and State more clearly, and demonstrating to the rest of Mankind a meaning for

the word, Bicommunal, (and now Bizonal), in a manner which can be held in high esteem by its emulation;

please read my manifesto, and need i remind you, your observations are important to me,

after all some of it came from your inspiration.



...don't make me your enemy, just because it seems, you can no longer ignore my attention; that's too easy.



dude, those PM's you sent long ago, do you remember sending them? what makes you think anything has changed,

you wanted to be freinds, and we were united with one idea, that Cyprus belongs to Cypriots, not "Greeks" and "Turks",

being Bicommunal, i say all Cypriots are Cypriots first when it comes to defending their State as Individuals, being

Bicommunal means, as well, National Assemblies, and being Bizonal means Territorial Jurisdictions, where Cypriots

by where they reside are Minorities or Majorities within an electorate of Persons (a National Assembly) so that through

their self-representation as Greeks, Turks, Maronites, Armenians, (Jews, British,) and Romes they can sustain a Living

Heritance with their respect and recognition for the "others" amongst them, while they vote as well for a Government

for their Republic, each citizen with one vote for the Betterment of Human Conditions.



...do not dismiss the fact that "Greeks" and "Turks" are a set within larger circles of Greeks and Turks who in a wider sense are no different to the other Communities who can call Cyprus a Home. the debate as it is, is flawed. Mankind, as you say, 'gifted' Cyprus to Cypriots. only "Greeks" and "Turks", over this, express their discontent. "Turks" think they have the demographic stranglehold to leave Cyprus an impotent speck of geography like it was before the Treaty of Lausanne, i say Greeks and Turks, Maronites, etc. are headed toward extinction fast, and that the population of Cyprus is 12.5 million sooner than later.



...vp, things can't stay the same forever, Freedom for Cyprus, one Government one Country; Freedom for Cypriots, many National Assemblies.


I include this here (which normally i would include under the topic, "Cypriotism"), for your consideration Max; something else from my blog which someone was reading today.

...so what is Enosis today, if it is not Cypriots (the People) taking back the Agenda?
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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:14 pm

Wednesday, March 07, 2012
Cyprus :: Kibrislis Vs Settlers - Page 17#p709914
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus37226 ... ml#p709914


I have a question, why does the RoC allow the settlers to pass the check points firstly and why are we giving them jobs? If they are occupiers of our land and think they can stop a cypriot from enjyoing their Country fully and freely

(by settlers i take it you mean people from the occupied territories)

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...the Republic of Cyprus has no such luxury, it is a Free country where they do not represent just "Greeks", (and need i mention for a BBF to work Greeks should have their own National Assembly, like the Turks, so too Maronites, and Armenians), the Government, this one and in the future a Federal Government, to be credible, first is a representive of a wider Family, of Man. we all deserve the benefit of the doubt if we live respectfully, we are productive, and we follow the rules. a whole society cannot be dismissed because within this community there exists transients and malcontents; better exchange and dialog is essential to control a condition where such Individuals are identified, this comes from Goodwill.

...in the north such days are eye-openers, people leaving, people staying, natural gaz, and more discontent from less money, we are expecting a summer that is hot when Turkey wails, it will be hard for the Kibrisli, harder even still without all Cypriots behind their resistence. but i am hoping for more humour than that, the flag thing has stuck now, i tell you it would be nice to see them flying from car antennas in convoys right round the island, that at least is something that would make them laugh.


...here is another one.
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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:34 am

Monday, March 02, 2015
Cyprus reunification: the Arab Spring and natural gas game changers
http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist/kl ... 74045.html


Koray Basdogrultmaci and Cinel Senem Husseyin come to mind when i think of "People power". I will be watching for them, for the fourth (or is it fifth) time, on April 13, if they will be denied Justice, again. They fly the Cyprus Flag, because, they are Cypriots. Yet this is denied them by no Law, but by a Court which will not Rule. And a media which denies what is clear to these two Citizens, that Cyprus exists, so too Cypriots. That whatever solution to the Problem is found, it is for them, the other half if you will, who are not "Greek", or "Turkish", who deserve this respect and recognition.

Like the Flag of Turkey, the Flag of Cyprus, stands for Universal Principals, they are equals. I ask, isn't Turkey made up of something more than a Turkic Constituency? I ask, if there was a Turkic Constituency within a set of Turkish Constituencies, in Turkey, could they define what are their equal needs toward sustaining, as Persons, their distinct identities?

Given this need in Cyprus, and in Turkey, for Constitutional reform, Canada comes to mind as a successful Bicommunal society, because the People secure their Freedom by defending each other, as Individuals, while their Liberty allows for this Freedom, as Persons. Canada is a Bizonal Federation too, because it is the Flag of Canada which flies highest, everywhere, despite their diversity and there being many flags, a Canada exists, its Citizens as Canadians are Sovereign, and it is they who represent themselves as such, in their Federal Government; yet, there are many Provinces, which prosper from their own self-representation as National Assemblies, too.

Unless one imagines Turkey is better off torn in pieces, I suggest, for the same reasons it is hard to imagine Cyprus torn in two.

It would be nice if Mr. Eroglu (or, with elections so soon, the next Leader of the Turkish Constituency) stood in front of the Flag of Cyprus when he speaks, that would be quite a challenge, for Cypriots as a whole, a change of intention if he asked, not for the President of the Republic of Cyprus to sit with him and negotiate, but his equals, the Leadership of the other Cypriot Constituencies, (because no Greek Constituency exists,) because their needs as Communities are equal, and as equals, i imagine, at this point, they could speak in unanimity about their position toward these needs, so that upon their presentation to the President, with his charge, toward the State, this Government may take their consideration toward its own reform.

...i remind you, Cyprus is a template, because it is a good representation of Free Will, and the population is small. Tsipras is a strange phenomena in Politics, where as a Greek, the first to congratulate his win were a Kurdish Turk, and a Turkish Cypriot, both called him their "brother". "Turks" in Turkey, should be careful how they wish to define what is not "Turkish" (enough), (at home, and) in Cyprus. A good thing for Turkey, is Cyprus (an equal, and) an ally


I gotta post this one, it fits our conversation Max. cheers: for Zaman! (what a Forum for dialog it was)

...and this is where i wish MR-from-NG would add a comment.
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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:48 am

Friday, April 07, 2006
Land Use, occupation and ownership.
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Detain Me Next Time Too:
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtop ... 3496#53496



Cyprus will become a multi ethnic community, even if it continues with its impasse.

Kifeas has a point. Under any other circumstance, in any other country, the Turcophone people would be a minority, with such due consideration, the limit of the States generousity.

However, Cyprus was, and still remains an experiment in geo-politics. Other countries, who gained their sovereignty, immediately following our own, are in worse shape, with their populations facing horrible suffering from the effects of indebtedness, and warfare. I like to think that the last thirty years have been peaceful, because that is our nature. The UN is far less successful elsewhere, while Turkey may have a great military tradition, it is not as refined as a country like Israel.

The "Greekness" of things is normal, so too the "Turkishness" of the island dwellers. Interestingly, even in this Forum, there is the warm exchange of this understanding, even with the ultimate isolation of these two communities from each other. What will be the difference if your neighbours origins are Russian, English, Asian, or Cypriot. All people crave their liberty. They unite in Government to put order to this desire for self determination, and good government is sovereign in protecting these basic rights.

A Greek or a Turk may be at odds over this territory, which they both seek toward exploiting its wealth. But in the case of Cyprus, we have allowed this personal identity to take a place in the nature of our governance.

The original experiment was for a State, and a bi-communal body which provided to each community the opportunity to provide for themselves the services they had a right to. The experiment failed, and its failing was in no small part caused by the Nationalistic ambition of those who had not yet realised the value of their opportunity for an expression which was unique, distinctive, and diverse, as it was their own.

This is not an issue of whether people who are Turcophone want or don't want to live with Grecophones. It is a question of what is right, and what sustains the betterment of the Human Condition. Truly, we the living will suffer whatever the change, or we will suffer waiting. In sacrifice, I ask, what stops us from uniting as a people, except the bond we have to our personal identity as "Turks" or "Greeks". Are we not Human?

So we can argue amongst ourselves the fine details, but if we stand divided, it is at our own peril.

Can the island be repopulated, as I have proposed in other threads?
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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:42 am

Sunday, February 14, 2016
Leaders meet, discuss disparities (Update 1)
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/02/13/leade ... -property/

...i am waiting as patiently as i can. It is entirely possible that the Leadership knows the pitfalls we fear, from what little said there is this glimmer of hope, they realise that when it comes down to a vote, it must be reasoned, principled, clear, and easy to understand.

While the idea of flying the Flag of Cyprus remains foreign to some, in Cyprus, I suggest it is the medicine that is needed. Only if we are willing to defend each other as such will we truly send the message that as Cypriots, Freedom is our goal. I will give these men credit, who negotiate the Problem, having to work in what is essentially a vacuum, without the support one would expect in such a brave endeavour; from "us" what have they to hear?

...make the effort, wherever you are, on your car, at work on your desk, in front of your home, travelling around the island, at the beach sitting under its shade, show you care, and what you care for with the hope that more will share the same joy, that Cyprus has a Flag, and that you, you as in all of you, love Cyprus.


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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:58 am

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Re: In Praise of the Dead
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...for the missing, the dead, and the families which survive them, this is a big step.

If we do not recognise these, our fallen, as Cypriots: we fail them, they die in vain; we fail ourselves, as Cypriots never Free.

...you forget Maximus, on the subject of the missing: who was murdered and made to disappear were Cypriot; for "being" Cypriot, victims.

...that's the point; there is no "Greek" or "Turkish" in being Cypriot while we may be Greek and Turkish: there is this difference.



...and you Paphitis, would you join a crowd who gather under the Flag of Cyprus, if it was in the occupied territories, if Akinci was standing under it as well?
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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:27 am

MR-from-NG wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...maybe i can understand your frustration because i am no "Greek". Greek as i am though, i gotta ask, you "Turk"?

Elections are coming, in the occupied territories, will you vote?

...and if it is that someone dared to fly the Flag of Cyprus, would you join them?


You lived in a mixed village so you understand my frustration more than most. For peace and well being I will happily live under the Cyprus flag. Would I protest for peace flying the Cyprus flag? Do bears shit in the woods?



...he would, do you mean you (read: "you"?) won't?
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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:00 pm

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Friday, December 07, 2018
Re: In Praise of the Dead
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...for the missing, the dead, and the families which survive them, this is a big step.

If we do not recognise these, our fallen, as Cypriots: we fail them, they die in vain; we fail ourselves, as Cypriots never Free.

...you forget Maximus, on the subject of the missing: who was murdered and made to disappear were Cypriot; for "being" Cypriot, victims.

...that's the point; there is no "Greek" or "Turkish" in being Cypriot while we may be Greek and Turkish: there is this difference.


I will not be standing with Akinci anywhere.
...and you Paphitis, would you join a crowd who gather under the Flag of Cyprus, if it was in the occupied territories, if Akinci was standing under it as well?


No I wouldn’t gather under ANY flag in the occupied. Not a Turkish Flag, a Greek Flag, a Cypriot Flag or even an Australian Flag. I would be appalled to see the Australian Flag being defaced in an illegitimate occupied zone that has been ethnically cleansed from its original inhabitants.

It’s very easy to make claims and talk peace, but until normal international law and order is re-established, I will refuse to stand under any flag with an occupier.

I will not stand with Akinci anywhere let alone in the occupied under a Cypriot Flag.

If he came to Australia, not only will I not stand with him, but I will lobby MPs, politicians and Government to not allow him within our borders and if he did get in, I would lobby Government to ignore him and not acknowledge him in any capacity as an illegitimate self proclaimed leader of an illegitimate occupied area that is not recognized by any country and is internationally condemned.

I’ve done this before when Turkish Soldiers were going to march on ANZAC Day. Not only were we successful, but now, for the last few years, an actual Hellenic Armed Forces unit (The Evzone Guards) visits Australia to participate and are a huge hit down here. A country that has been super friendly towards us, since we have never fought a war as enemies but have as allies in more than 1 occasion.
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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:05 am

...thanks Paphitis; i am glad that you can at least express yourself openly and with reason. It is all i can expect. And while we disagree about this issue, it is the dialog that is important.

Cypriots need to find each other, they need to express their solidarity for Cyprus. If you believe that Cyprus exists then Cyprus is the ground under your feet, even in the occupied territories. That's the way i look at it.

Only Cypriots can return their country to order, not their Leadership it seems, after decades. And yes, since flags have taken a very important place in this debate, it will take the People to demonstrate, with this Flag, their Flag, the Flag of Cyprus, to these very Leaders, their desire.

...i would like to speak for myself, and i want to end the division that is based on "Turkishness" and "Greekness". I don't need anyone to tell me how to be Greek because a Greek knows better than to describe himself, but as a Citizen of the World; is it different for Turks, not "Turkish"?

...and who is the enemy we face, all of us, is it not Erdogan? He fears the Turkish Cypriots the most, because they (still can) define themselves not as "Turks"; and in doing so provide Hope to those in Turkey who suffer the same Problem. Would you not support a man, if he had the courage to address all Cypriots, who says it clearly, under the Flag of Cyprus, I am not "Turkish", but Cypriot? Certainly not those "Greek" and "Turkish", but the rest of us, why wouldn't we?

...all i am saying is, Akinci has been isolated by "them" because he is, it seems their antithesis; playing the fence is no longer his option. He could lead Turkish Cypriots to a peaceful resolution with Greek Cypriots, by "being" Cypriot.

...anyway, such a proposition is completely radical, likely not to happen; if it did, i would hope that you would change your mind.

i dare say, this issue is important to me.
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Re: Greek Cyprus. South Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:46 am

Thursday, October 31, 2019
Top Re: ...Akinci ahead at the polls.
cyprus47134-10.html#p889179


...can he wear two hats, he ridicules Anastasiades for doing so? And what is a Cypriot, a Cypriot of Turkish origins, when they are divided as well?

One thing is clear, it is the people, the silent majority if you will, who continue to support representation for Cypriots (re)united through their votes. These people, which constitute a People, are neither "Greek", or for "Turkishness", they are what has survived the subjugation of such imperialism over millennia. And they continue to represent themselves as a loving and inclusive people despite the unnatural dysfunctions imposed on them by "others", now.

...if Akinci can demonstrate his ''Cypriotness'', he will have the winning support of his electorate (again), especially if all the candidates that run against him are "Turkish". More importantly, if in doing so he gains the support of Greek speaking Cypriots, he will have the confidence he needs to drive reform favourably, from an allophone's perspective (read: not Greek), in Cyprus.

The allusion of Statehood is false; as it is Cypriots, and the Republic exists. The so called "TRNC" is a regime that is more of a civilian arm of the Turkish Army, than the representative of Cypriots Turcophone in origin, a distinct society, a Cypriot Nation within a Cypriot State. All of that can be made clear by Akinci, if he dares, (with or without Anastasiades by his side,) it is as simple as marching under his Flag, which is and should be the Flag of Cyprus.

Cyprus does not need a ''new'' Cyprus, it needs Constitutional reform. I see no reason why the Greek Constituency cannot fill their seats in the Communal Chamber, or that the Turkish Constituency cannot fill their seats in the Legislature, but fear. Indeed it is intentions that count, and it is an Agenda being held for decades by "Greeks" and "Turks", which must be wrested from them.
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