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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:32 pm

Londonrake wrote:Another of your pacifist posts. :lol:

A bit of related local colour:

https://greekreporter.com/2025/06/19/is ... matic-row/

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About the only time Israel brings up 1974... to “counter” Turkey’s gripes.

And the Cypriot media never fails to make a meal out of it… it’s almost like the annual throwing of a bone at Cyprus from Israel.
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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:28 pm

Get Real! wrote:Is Turkey next? I most definitely think so!

Israel’s insatiable appetite to destroy all its Muslim neighbors and beyond, will not stop at Iran!

Therefore, Turkey would be wise to prepare for an all out preemptive attack on Israel now that Israel is badly wounded!

Turkey should not sit there and wait for the Israeli criminal regime to receive trillions of US funds to recuperate and come after them in five years time when they are strong again!

At the very least, Israel’s nuclear arsenal and research stations should be completely obliterated by the Turkish air-force now that the heat is on!

Turkey should attack Israel relentlessly until it destroys the Israeli nuclear threat, or force through violence Israel’s existence to be subject to never possessing nuclear arms at the international stage, as a condition for stopping the operation.

As an insurance policy, Turkey could first capture and hold hostage the Incirlik Air Base; which also hosts NATO nuclear warheads, to prevent an American response against Turkey.

Turkey should conduct this operation immediately… now that there’s a lot of pressure on Israel and the US, thereby forcing them into concessions now that they are very vulnerable with their preoccupation in Iran, by inserting the Turkish military as a wedge between victory against Iran and catastrophic failure.



From Tehran to Ankara? Fears in Turkey over Israel's next move
https://www.newarab.com/news/tehran-ank ... -next-move

Israel-Iran conflict: Turkey ramps up missile production amid fears of wider war
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle- ... -wider-war


Your view is highly problematic and overlooks the complex realities and risks involved.

Despite longstanding tensions with Israel and condemnations from Erdogoon, Turkey maintains a cautious balance. In actual fact, both countries have reached agreements to prevent military clashes.

Turkey has increased border security and strengthened air and missile defences as a result of this Iran-Israel conflict, but she has not escalated to direct confrontation with Israel, yet and I doubt she will.

Why? keep reading to learn more;

A Turkish attack on Israel, targeting "its nuclear facilities" or the Incirlik air base (which hosts NATO nuclear weapons), would represent a dramatic escalation with unpredictable consequences. It risks drawing in the United States and NATO, not just because of their strategic interests, but because it would be consider an attack on a NATO member. The idea of capturing and holding Incirlik to deter US response is highly unrealistic and would almost certainly provoke severe retaliation and isolation for Turkey.

While Turkey opposes Iranian influence and has concerns about Israel’s military actions in Syria, and near its borders, it also seeks to avoid direct conflict with Israel. Negotiated de-escalation and managing proxy conflicts remain more likely scenarios than open warfare. Turkey’s military and political leadership will likely continue to posture and condemn but focus on maintaining border security.

Also, strikes on nuclear facilities risk widespread devastation and global condemnation.

So basically and in fewer words, a pre-emptive strike is neither strategically prudent nor supported by current facts. Turkey’s best course of action is to do what she does best, talk big.
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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:40 pm

Thanks for your input, Maximus! :)

If you were the president of Turkey would you not be alarmed and concerned about this regional menace they call Israel?

So how would you handle the situation?

Just remember that your country’s very existence will depend on your decisions.
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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:53 pm

Get Real! wrote:Thanks for your input, Maximus! :)

If you were the president of Turkey would you not be alarmed and concerned about this regional menace they call Israel?

So how would you handle the situation?

Just remember that your country’s very existence will depend on your decisions.


In few words,

Yes, I would be alarmed and concerned and if I was the president of Turkey, I would come to the conclusion that pre-emptive strikes on Israel or capturing and holding hostage Incirlik airbase would be strategically catastrophic, legally indefensible and just plain dumb.

Furthermore, Israel's air superiority and nuclear capabilities would make a Turkish pre-emptied strike suicidal. Any retaliation from Israel could devastate Turkish infrastructure.

Basically there is not much Turkey can do other than to leverage diplomatic channels and maintain a defensive posture by strengthen its border security.
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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Londonrake » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:03 pm

Get Real! wrote:Thanks for your input, Maximus! :)


Agreed. An interesting, logical analysis of the situation and refreshing change from the "Let's nuke everybody and destroy the planet. That'll teach them!" view. :eyecrazy:
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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:07 pm

Maximus wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Thanks for your input, Maximus! :)

If you were the president of Turkey would you not be alarmed and concerned about this regional menace they call Israel?

So how would you handle the situation?

Just remember that your country’s very existence will depend on your decisions.


In few words,

Yes, I would be alarmed and concerned and if I was the president of Turkey, I would come to the conclusion that pre-emptive strikes on Israel or capturing and holding hostage Incirlik airbase would be strategically catastrophic, legally indefensible and just plain dumb.

Furthermore, Israel's air superiority and nuclear capabilities would make a Turkish pre-emptied strike suicidal. Any retaliation from Israel could devastate Turkish infrastructure.

Basically there is not much Turkey can do other than to leverage diplomatic channels and maintain a defensive posture by strengthen its border security.

You've basically thrown in the towel... and would be crushed in five or ten years down the line, because Israel has zero tolerance of Muslim nations that have armies and will try to destroy them at the right time.

You would have failed as a president. :(
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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:14 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Thanks for your input, Maximus! :)

If you were the president of Turkey would you not be alarmed and concerned about this regional menace they call Israel?

So how would you handle the situation?

Just remember that your country’s very existence will depend on your decisions.


In few words,

Yes, I would be alarmed and concerned and if I was the president of Turkey, I would come to the conclusion that pre-emptive strikes on Israel or capturing and holding hostage Incirlik airbase would be strategically catastrophic, legally indefensible and just plain dumb.

Furthermore, Israel's air superiority and nuclear capabilities would make a Turkish pre-emptied strike suicidal. Any retaliation from Israel could devastate Turkish infrastructure.

Basically there is not much Turkey can do other than to leverage diplomatic channels and maintain a defensive posture by strengthen its border security.

You've basically thrown in the towel... and would be crushed in five or ten years down the line, because Israel has zero tolerance of Muslim nations that have armies and will try to destroy them at the right time.

You would have failed as a president. :(


You asked what I would do if " I " was the president of Turkey and " I " gave you a well thought out, reasonable response.

However, if I was the president of Turkey, I would engage in sabotage and crush country in a fraction of the time you mention. :lol:
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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Londonrake » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:14 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Thanks for your input, Maximus! :)

If you were the president of Turkey would you not be alarmed and concerned about this regional menace they call Israel?

So how would you handle the situation?

Just remember that your country’s very existence will depend on your decisions.


In few words,

Yes, I would be alarmed and concerned and if I was the president of Turkey, I would come to the conclusion that pre-emptive strikes on Israel or capturing and holding hostage Incirlik airbase would be strategically catastrophic, legally indefensible and just plain dumb.

Furthermore, Israel's air superiority and nuclear capabilities would make a Turkish pre-emptied strike suicidal. Any retaliation from Israel could devastate Turkish infrastructure.

Basically there is not much Turkey can do other than to leverage diplomatic channels and maintain a defensive posture by strengthen its border security.

You've basically thrown in the towel... and would be crushed in five or ten years down the line, because Israel has zero tolerance of Muslim nations that have armies and will try to destroy them at the right time.

You would have failed as a president. :(


That's BS. Israel has reached accommodations with Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco. None of whom have publicly claimed that their primary aim is the destruction of the cancerous Zionist entity Israel. Get it? You're hard work but then - closed minds and psychotics always are. :wink:
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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:22 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Thanks for your input, Maximus! :)

If you were the president of Turkey would you not be alarmed and concerned about this regional menace they call Israel?

So how would you handle the situation?

Just remember that your country’s very existence will depend on your decisions.


In few words,

Yes, I would be alarmed and concerned and if I was the president of Turkey, I would come to the conclusion that pre-emptive strikes on Israel or capturing and holding hostage Incirlik airbase would be strategically catastrophic, legally indefensible and just plain dumb.

Furthermore, Israel's air superiority and nuclear capabilities would make a Turkish pre-emptied strike suicidal. Any retaliation from Israel could devastate Turkish infrastructure.

Basically there is not much Turkey can do other than to leverage diplomatic channels and maintain a defensive posture by strengthen its border security.

You've basically thrown in the towel... and would be crushed in five or ten years down the line, because Israel has zero tolerance of Muslim nations that have armies and will try to destroy them at the right time.

You would have failed as a president. :(


That's BS. Israel has reached accommodations with Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco. None of whom have publicly claimed that their primary aim is the destruction of the cancerous Zionist entity Israel. Get it? You're hard work but then - closed minds and psychotics always are. :wink:

In other words, only if you agree to turn a blind eye whenever Israel is committing atrocities against women and children and vote against the victims at UN resolutions!

The fine-print goes... "Be in agreement to my never-ending crimes and I will make you a partner I promise to never destroy!" :)

Yup... sounds like the devil's contract!
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Re: Turkey has begun the Israeli encroachment…

Postby Londonrake » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:35 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Thanks for your input, Maximus! :)

If you were the president of Turkey would you not be alarmed and concerned about this regional menace they call Israel?

So how would you handle the situation?

Just remember that your country’s very existence will depend on your decisions.


In few words,

Yes, I would be alarmed and concerned and if I was the president of Turkey, I would come to the conclusion that pre-emptive strikes on Israel or capturing and holding hostage Incirlik airbase would be strategically catastrophic, legally indefensible and just plain dumb.

Furthermore, Israel's air superiority and nuclear capabilities would make a Turkish pre-emptied strike suicidal. Any retaliation from Israel could devastate Turkish infrastructure.

Basically there is not much Turkey can do other than to leverage diplomatic channels and maintain a defensive posture by strengthen its border security.

You've basically thrown in the towel... and would be crushed in five or ten years down the line, because Israel has zero tolerance of Muslim nations that have armies and will try to destroy them at the right time.

You would have failed as a president. :(


That's BS. Israel has reached accommodations with Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco. None of whom have publicly claimed that their primary aim is the destruction of the cancerous Zionist entity Israel. Get it? You're hard work but then - closed minds and psychotics always are. :wink:

In other words, only if you agree to turn a blind eye whenever Israel is committing atrocities against women and children and vote against the victims at UN resolutions!

The fine-print goes... "Be in agreement to my never-ending crimes and I will make you a partner I promise to never destroy!" :)

Yup... sounds like the devil's contract!


UN? After I posted the results of the UN's Commission of Enquiry into the Syrian Baathist Regime's - under the butchering Assad family - atrocities against it's own people - hundreds of thousands of deaths - you dismissed it out of hand with your usual obfuscating BS. Then, when the UN announcements on Putin's million + deaths in Ukraine came out, you either turned a blind eye or dismissed them out of hand. Although, loudly and indignantly quoting their pronouncements on Gaza. Then - you call me a hypocrite. No! "Super hypocrite" Do get a life. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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