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Postby Kifeas » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:19 am

sajica58 wrote:.

Kifeas,

What rubbish, you talk sometimes(i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here!)
Why don't you read and learn your history, you will be suprised to learn that greeks ,turks brits and yanks all managed to screw up cyprus, all for their own needs. You keep going on about lies from the otherside, while promoting your own.
two wrongs don't make a right.
I await a telling off with bated breath!!!


Really Sajica58?
Seriously?

And where did you see the nonsense and the rubbish? Which lies of mine do I keep promoting?

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Postby bakala » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:42 am

Kifeas

sorry mate but Cyprus isin't one island anymore, its divided just like notheren Ireland in the UK is divided. The Turkish Cypriots selfishly refuse to be dominated by the same goverment that tried, and so nearly succeded in annihalating them prior to 1974, Turky won the war but lost the propaganda war, so the intervention to stop the massacre of the Turkish Cypriots became an invasion and the name stuck, the north of the island after he intervention was just a massive refugee camp and was called the "occupied lands" by the Greeks, the name stuck.
To be totaly honest the British should have stepped in with the Turks as was thier duty under the 1960 agreement and much to my shame they left it too late, the turks intervened alone and have been unjustly villified as agressors ever since, anyone who has read the "genocide files By henry Scott gibbons " will know the awful truth of what was happening to the Turkish Cypriots under the Greek puppet goverment prior to 1974.

Ps sorry i have been of line for the last 3 months, ive been busy movng to the liberated free zone of North Cyprus :)
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Postby Alexis » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:29 pm

sorry mate but Cyprus isin't one island anymore, its divided just like notheren Ireland in the UK is divided. The Turkish Cypriots selfishly refuse to be dominated by the same goverment that tried, and so nearly succeded in annihalating them prior to 1974, Turky won the war but lost the propaganda war, so the intervention to stop the massacre of the Turkish Cypriots became an invasion and the name stuck, the north of the island after he intervention was just a massive refugee camp and was called the "occupied lands" by the Greeks, the name stuck.
To be totaly honest the British should have stepped in with the Turks as was thier duty under the 1960 agreement and much to my shame they left it too late, the turks intervened alone and have been unjustly villified as agressors ever since, anyone who has read the "genocide files By henry Scott gibbons " will know the awful truth of what was happening to the Turkish Cypriots under the Greek puppet goverment prior to 1974.


Of course, I see it now. All these years the whole world has had it wrong, the highly efficient Cypriot propaganda machine has managed to pull the wool over the international communities eyes all this time.
I'm sorry but no dice...please seriously try reading some of the UN resolutions on Cyprus dating from 1963 (not 1974) and you will see.
You did get one thing right though, the British government's decision in 1974 not to intervene to re-establish the state of affairs in line with the treaty of guarantee in Cyprus after the coup and instead allowing Turkey to violate the 1960 agreements the way she did was indeed shameful.
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Postby Strahd » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:45 pm

bakala wrote:Kifeas

sorry mate but Cyprus isin't one island anymore, its divided just like notheren Ireland in the UK is divided. The Turkish Cypriots selfishly refuse to be dominated by the same goverment that tried, and so nearly succeded in annihalating them prior to 1974, Turky won the war but lost the propaganda war, so the intervention to stop the massacre of the Turkish Cypriots became an invasion and the name stuck, the north of the island after he intervention was just a massive refugee camp and was called the "occupied lands" by the Greeks, the name stuck.
To be totaly honest the British should have stepped in with the Turks as was thier duty under the 1960 agreement and much to my shame they left it too late, the turks intervened alone and have been unjustly villified as agressors ever since, anyone who has read the "genocide files By henry Scott gibbons " will know the awful truth of what was happening to the Turkish Cypriots under the Greek puppet goverment prior to 1974.

Ps sorry i have been of line for the last 3 months, ive been busy movng to the liberated free zone of North Cyprus to my newly stolen home! :)


Oh yes... we nearly turned them all to soap... thank god Kemal came and took as away to TRNC wonderland. Where is Alice by the way?... OFF WITH THEIR HEAD!!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Strahd » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:48 pm

bakala wrote:anyone who has read the "genocide files By henry Scott gibbons "


I was in the U.N. medical corps in Cyprus from 1970-1975 and can still recall the terror that Turkish airforce jets brought on the civilian populations of Cyprus. We tended to the dead and wounded after the attack on the village of Episkopi where five innocent workers were killed with napalm dropped from the Turkish jets in 1964.
I feel this book does not give an impartial account and history of the problems in Cyprus and does a great disservice to the memory of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots who died on the island. It does not give a true account of the ethnic anatagonisms in Cyprus, as i remember it. The book gives 100% emphasis on the Greeks as the cause of the troubles but omits to mention the terrorist groups brought in from Turkey as far back as 1954 to instigate troubles between the two communities.
It singles out the Greek Cypriot community as committing genocide, when i remember a distinct clash of the Turkish and Greek communities insitgated by nationalist elements in their respective motherlands (Greece and Turkey). Acts of genocide did not take place as described in the book - we oversaw the treatment of wounded and dead from both the turkish and greek communities. Only when the Turkish Army invaded in 1974, did the nationalist elements on the greek side exact revenge on the Turkish civilian population as the Turkish army had been found raping and killing civilians of the Greek community. The inter-communal fighting was not even mentioned once in the book, which is remarkable for a supposed unabridged book about Cyprus.
Also, there are incredibly large amounts of grammatical errors and punctuation mistakes in the text which does not leave a good impression on the author and/or publisher. The mistakes would be excusable, were it not for the fact that the book contains a great number of mistakes in fact and falsifications of events. For example, the author states that the Greek armed forces were in control of 300 tanks at the time of the invasion and that the Turkish contingent were heavily outnumbered. In fact, we were stationed near the Greek base in Nicosia and the Greek Tank corps were quite proud of their 17 tanks of world war 2 vintage. They were the only tanks in Cyprus at any time before the 1974 invasion. This is just one example of how the author gives false information (without any reference or even an index) and tries to steer the reader in believing a totally false account of the events in Cyprus.
I don't know what the author's motives in this misrepresentation are, but some reviews here have suggested that he is under the employ of the Turkish government. Given this totally one-sided diatribe, bearing no resemblance to my own recollection of events, i cannot disagree with this assertion.
A truly awful book which sets out to give excuses for a brutal invasion.
It really is a shame that this book seems to have been written with one aim in mind - to falsify history and give a totally biased version of events in the hope of causing hatred instead of mending bridges between the Greeks and Turks of Cyprus. What a great opportunity lost......
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Postby bakala » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:48 pm

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Sorry mate but you believe your own abridged version of history and the rest of us will believe the truth, Not only was Henry Scott gibbons a witness to the intended genocide of the Turkish Cypriots but there were very many respected newspaper reporters who all told the same version of events, I know its no use trying to get you to admit the truth of what happened in those days prior to 74 because unfortunately, you have been brainwashed by your own propaganda system,

The turkish Cypriots want nothing from the Greek puppet government except to be left in Peace to get on with their lives , the Greek insistence on continuing the isolation of the North is now being perceived by the rest of the world as petty and childish and extremely unproductive, petty greek European opinion will not be allowed to continue the isolation of the north for much longer, and an Independently recognised Government for the north is coming sooner than you think , then and only then will the running sore start to heal.

I do hope my grammar and punctuation meet with your approval as you seem to have accorded yourself the title of an expert on the English written word. Or is it a title you have earned?




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Postby Piratis » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:01 pm

bakala, I am not impressed by what several 1000s of pounds that you have earned by stealing land that belongs to Greek Cypriots did to an unethical criminal person like you. The occupied areas are full of criminal fugitives like you. I am sure you will feel right at home along with them.

I hope your next home, the jail, will be equally acceptable to you since no matter what crap you say your illegality and crimes will not go unpunished.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:41 pm

bakala wrote: The turkish Cypriots want nothing from the Greek puppet government except to be left in Peace to get on with their lives….


To get on with their nice lives after having stolen 37% of the best part of Cyprus, , after ethnically cleansing 180,000 GCs from their ancestral lands, after killing 6000 people and raping thousands of women within just one month.

wrote: the Greek insistence on continuing the isolation of the North is now being perceived by the rest of the world as petty and childish and extremely unproductive


Yeah, how dare those Greeks keep those angels isolated , mana mou what a pitty re…

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Postby zan » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:31 am

To get on with their nice lives after having stolen 37% of the best part of Cyprus, , after ethnically cleansing 180,000 GCs from their ancestral lands, after killing 6000 people and raping thousands of women within just one month.



I even heard that one guy raped a donkey, according Alexis the only true Cypriots. Is there a penal code for that. :!:
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Postby andri_cy » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:57 am

Alexis and Piratis and everyone you disagree with maybe right and maybe wrong, I wont get into that because it has no end. But the rapes of women by Turkish troops are a very well subtantiated fact tha no one can deny. Many say those kinds of things happen as part of wars. But sitting in front of your computer making sarcastic remarks about donkeys being raped is not acceptable as a reply to someone talking about thousands of women being raped.
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