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Postby Kifeas » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:42 am

bakala wrote:Strahd

Sorry mate but you believe your own abridged version of history and the rest of us will believe the truth, Not only was Henry Scott gibbons a witness to the intended genocide of the Turkish Cypriots but there were very many respected newspaper reporters who all told the same version of events, I know its no use trying to get you to admit the truth of what happened in those days prior to 74 because unfortunately, you have been brainwashed by your own propaganda system,

The turkish Cypriots want nothing from the Greek puppet government except to be left in Peace to get on with their lives , the Greek insistence on continuing the isolation of the North is now being perceived by the rest of the world as petty and childish and extremely unproductive, petty greek European opinion will not be allowed to continue the isolation of the north for much longer, and an Independently recognised Government for the north is coming sooner than you think , then and only then will the running sore start to heal.

I do hope my grammar and punctuation meet with your approval as you seem to have accorded yourself the title of an expert on the English written word. Or is it a title you have earned?

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Bakala,

Sorry mate but you believe your own abridged version of history and the rest of us will believe the truth, Not only was Henry Scott gibbons NOT a witness to any intended genocide of the Turkish Cypriots but there were very many foreign embassy diplomats and UN forces in Cyprus, who all told the same version of events, I know its no use trying to get you to admit the truth of what happened in those days prior to 74 because unfortunately, you have been brainwashed by your own propaganda system,

The Greek Cypriots want nothing from the Turkish fascist government and the TCs, except to be left in Peace to return back to their usurped properties and homes in the occupied north and get on with their lives, and the Turkish insistence on continuing the ethnic cleansing and the isolation of the GC refugees from the north part of their country is now being perceived by the rest of the world as petty and childish and extremely unproductive. Petty Turkish opinion will not be allowed to continue the isolation of the ethnically cleansed GCs from north for much longer, and an end of the illegal Turkish occupation of the north is coming sooner than you think, then and only then will the running sore start to heal.

I do hope my grammar and punctuation meet with your approval as you seem to have accorded yourself the title of an expert on the English written word. Or is it a title you have earned?
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Postby Strahd » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:48 am

andri_cy wrote:Alexis and Piratis and everyone you disagree with maybe right and maybe wrong, I wont get into that because it has no end. But the rapes of women by Turkish troops are a very well subtantiated fact tha no one can deny. Many say those kinds of things happen as part of wars. But sitting in front of your computer making sarcastic remarks about donkeys being raped is not acceptable as a reply to someone talking about thousands of women being raped.


What fdo you expect from the Turkish mongols... can't teach an old dog new tricks...
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Postby Kifeas » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:26 am

Strahd wrote:
andri_cy wrote:Alexis and Piratis and everyone you disagree with maybe right and maybe wrong, I wont get into that because it has no end. But the rapes of women by Turkish troops are a very well subtantiated fact tha no one can deny. Many say those kinds of things happen as part of wars. But sitting in front of your computer making sarcastic remarks about donkeys being raped is not acceptable as a reply to someone talking about thousands of women being raped.


What fdo you expect from the Turkish mongols... can't teach an old dog new tricks...


Strahd,
I am asking you for the first and the last time to stop the bumping of generalized racist and chauvinist slogans in the forum. I am no less angry with some posters in the forum that are ignorant and come here to exert Turkish propaganda, but I always direct my postings and even my insults on the specific person alone, for what he claims, and not on all the rest of people that come from the same "ethnic" or cultural group! You have to learn this very basic rule not to generalize; otherwise your motives are chauvinistic and racist.

Mongols are part of the human kind, part of the same nature that created all the rest of the people, and to use the term in a derogatory way so that you insinuate someone’s racial “inferiority,” only shows your complete luck of culture and education, and your racist complexes. You may claim you are a “Greek,” and to also claim that you are proud to be a “Greek,” but as far as I am concerned culturally you are not and cannot be a Greek, for a true Greek cannot be so uncivilized and uncultivated!

Also, I see no reason why you should post those nationalistic images in another threat, apart from proving that you may not be any different than the GC mirror image of the Grey wolfs in the north and in Turkey.

I do not wish to argue anymore on any of the above.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:34 am

Well said Kifeas, clap clap....
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Postby zan » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:49 am

andri_cy wrote:Alexis and Piratis and everyone you disagree with maybe right and maybe wrong, I wont get into that because it has no end. But the rapes of women by Turkish troops are a very well subtantiated fact tha no one can deny. Many say those kinds of things happen as part of wars. But sitting in front of your computer making sarcastic remarks about donkeys being raped is not acceptable as a reply to someone talking about thousands of women being raped.


How old do you think I am. Do you think that I might be old enough to have lived through some of those times. Do you think that it was sheer sarcasm that the EOKA and greek army were using on me and my family as they advanced through Lefcosa, Trailor bullets flying over our house in the dead of night. Do you think it was with sarcastic glee that my sisters sister inlaw was carried out of the enclaves starving and bitten to almost death by nits because Makarios had cut off the water. If my sarcasm hurts you I am sorry.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:34 am

Zan wrote: Do you think it was with sarcastic glee that my sisters sister inlaw was carried out of the enclaves starving and bitten to almost death by nits because Makarios had cut off the water.


That’s very weird. So Makarios is alledged to have cut the water supply so his nits could enter the enclave (as if any GC could ever get into ANY enclave and get out of it alive) just to carry your sisters sister in law out of the enclave bitten to death?
In what cinema did you watch this dream mate?

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NB. As for the enclaves tell me how ANY state in the world would ever react to the creation of states within a state . Oh sorry I forgot, the enclaves were created by the GCs. It was their funny idea.
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Postby rolo » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:47 pm

Natty



Ok you’re confused by the whole issue, i'll outline the main points as I understand them.



1) the gcs have been here for some 3.5 millennia. No argument. It is their ancestral homeland.
2) The tcs have been here since 16th century.
3) Cyprus has always been under the rule of some empire or other.
4) Gc fought or Enosis in 1955. understandable enough, only problem was the tc situation.
5) Tc did not want to live under Athens – so we had an impasse.
6) British invite Tcs to join police and fight Eoka to prevent enosis.
7) Turkey did not want to see the expansion of Greece to within 40 miles of Turkey’s southern sea ports.
8) The three big players Britain, Greece Turkey compromise and agree 1960 constitution with Guarantor Powers to all three.
9) The gcs were in no position to refuse, so they agreed.
10) Independence official in 1960 with GC President (Makarios) tc Vice President (Kucuk) with gc majority parliamentary deputies, and with minority tcs having veto power over any new laws.


None of the above is in dispute. What then happened is.

Some elements of gc still pressed for Enosis, tcs in return wanted partition. Most rural Cypriots just wanted to milk their goats and harvest their lands, but the power crazed town boys wanted more.


Well with propaganda on both sides it all really kicked off at Christmas 1963. Eoka/Enosis civilian gangs started on tcs in the larger towns. Politicians denied any organised involvement. Turkey sent over a few jets and threatened intervention. Many tcs withdrew from hostile large town areas in what became the enclaves and from there on in suffered a second class life style. Turkey assists Tcs by providing financial assistance to these people. Gcs grow richer and establish greater power bases. Tcs become poorer and more isolated.

Next big flashpoint is sixty seven. Grivas takes troops to the village of Kofinou and kills more than twenty tcs. Turkey demands immediate cessation of hostilities, threatening invasion again. The trouble stops.

Next biggy happens in Athens where the military probably backed by usa stage a coup to stop Greece becoming to left wing. Tensions between Athens and Makarios. Athens stages coup in 74 with the aim of achieving Enosis. War between Athens and Makarios.

In light of the previous killings of tcs especially 63 and 67, and with the possibility of an even more rightwing Greek ruling power than before, invaded.


Makarios never wanted the constitution. He tore it up. It couldn’t work and it didn’t work. It may have looked reasonable enough but too many nationalists wanted more. In light of this unworkable constitution Turkey has decided to keep troops on the island until a new constitution is found and agreed.


Number of deaths 63 – 74? Who knows maybe 700 tcs and 400 gcs.

It did evolve into a civil war of sorts though the gc govt referred to it as civil unrest.
Gcs ruled in cyprus during this period, and though many left the island few richer pickings they left out of freedom of choice. Many tcs also left but they left through desperation at complete lack of opportunity, the most they got from the gc govt it is reported were free one way tickets off cyprus courtesy of gc Cypriot govt.


So now we have another impasse, until a new constitution can be agreed this is how cyprus will remain, with gc the recognised Cypriot rulers, and tcs still isolated 40 more than forty years after independence.


some posters will despute this brief account, ive left out the nastier bits like archived neswpaper quotes of the more horrific events. it wasnt a nice place but was after all a civil war.


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Postby cypezokyli » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:38 pm

Some elements of gc still pressed for Enosis, tcs in return wanted partition. Most rural Cypriots just wanted to milk their goats and harvest their lands, but the power crazed town boys wanted more
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precisely.

cypriot differentiations, (beyond the "one" between gcs and tcs), that we insist to forget.
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Postby andri_cy » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:11 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Zan wrote: Do you think it was with sarcastic glee that my sisters sister inlaw was carried out of the enclaves starving and bitten to almost death by nits because Makarios had cut off the water.


That’s very weird. So Makarios is alledged to have cut the water supply so his nits could enter the enclave (as if any GC could ever get into ANY enclave and get out of it alive) just to carry your sisters sister in law out of the enclave bitten to death?
In what cinema did you watch this dream mate?

:razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

NB. As for the enclaves tell me how ANY state in the world would ever react to the creation of states within a state . Oh sorry I forgot, the enclaves were created by the GCs. It was their funny idea.



Pyrpolizer I believe that on our side we also need to stop making fun of the TCs' suffering and understand that we are not the only ones who paid a price.
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Postby andri_cy » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:13 pm

zan wrote:
andri_cy wrote:Alexis and Piratis and everyone you disagree with maybe right and maybe wrong, I wont get into that because it has no end. But the rapes of women by Turkish troops are a very well subtantiated fact tha no one can deny. Many say those kinds of things happen as part of wars. But sitting in front of your computer making sarcastic remarks about donkeys being raped is not acceptable as a reply to someone talking about thousands of women being raped.


How old do you think I am. Do you think that I might be old enough to have lived through some of those times. Do you think that it was sheer sarcasm that the EOKA and greek army were using on me and my family as they advanced through Lefcosa, Trailor bullets flying over our house in the dead of night. Do you think it was with sarcastic glee that my sisters sister inlaw was carried out of the enclaves starving and bitten to almost death by nits because Makarios had cut off the water. If my sarcasm hurts you I am sorry.


The fact that you might or might not have suffered also does not give you a free pass to make fun of people being raped and equalizing it with donkeys being had. I am sorry for what happened to you, but again it is not a free pass to make ignorant comments.
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