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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed May 11, 2022 5:41 pm

Get Real! wrote:When a burglar enters your home intending to burglarize, you have the right to take a baseball bat and beat him senseless… even 100 times until his face is unrecognizable!

No you don't have such right in Cyprus. In fact you will end up in jail. The only case you can claim self defense is when the burglar holds a weapon threatening your life. The same applies to the rest of your examples.

One could argue that the extreme violence did not justify the crime being committed, but the law will still exonerate the homeowner for protecting himself against a home intruder who INSTIGATED the burglary… even if only $10 was pocketed!

Another example… if someone pinches $5 from your hand and runs off in some direction and you catch up to him and beat him to a pulp, once again you’ll most likely get exonerated because the thief INSTIGATED the crime even though you smashed his face pretty bad.

The bottom line is that you didn’t start it… you were going about you business when someone saw fit to disturb you in some way and commit a crime against you. What retaliation followed thereafter is never a justification for the crime and neither does it lessen the crime.

The golden rule to safeguard one’s self; and in some cases one’s family, is to never disturb anyone… never instigate anything and you’ll always be in the right.

It's no good being a violator/instigator/abuser and then crying about the consequences being too harsh!

Nobody can guarantee you “fair” consequences after you’ve committed a crime, because chances are you will be treated like dirt.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Wed May 11, 2022 5:47 pm

Londonrake wrote:So.

Day 77 of the Russian army’s 72hr blitkrieg. Objective? To take Kiev and install a more “reasonable” administration. Followed by a bit of territorial tidying up.

Not forgetting. Bringing to an end NATO’s relentless expansion. Anything related in today’s news?

How’s it all working out?

I wonder if Paphitis has also been banned? :? :lol:


Russia no longer is interested in being in Kiev to change the government, assuming that was their goal to beging with.

No, the big prize for Russia is to shut Ukraine off the Black Sea 100% and that is where they are heading and then let the EU and the West, Russia’s new enemies, to financially support Ukraine until the cows come home, call it a sanction on the west if you like. Let’s see how long the aid to Ukraine by the west is going to last. In the meantime, with more weapons given to Ukraine by the west, more the destruction of Ukraine by Russia is taking place, meaning more money Ukraine will need from the west later to survive. It will become a vicious cycle until there won’t be a country called Ukraine left as we knew it. At this point there is no turning back for Russia and they will take over all of Ukraine’s Black Sea coast, which it also means shutting out vessels belonging to NATO in those regions in the Black Sea.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Wed May 11, 2022 6:38 pm

Kikapu wrote:Russia no longer is interested in being in Kiev to change the government, assuming that was their goal to beging with.

No, the big prize for Russia is to shut Ukraine off the Black Sea 100% and that is where they are heading and then let the EU and the West, Russia’s new enemies, to financially support Ukraine until the cows come home, call it a sanction on the west if you like. Let’s see how long the aid to Ukraine by the west is going to last. In the meantime, with more weapons given to Ukraine by the west, more the destruction of Ukraine by Russia is taking place, meaning more money Ukraine will need from the west later to survive. It will become a vicious cycle until there won’t be a country called Ukraine left as we knew it. At this point there is no turning back for Russia and they will take over all of Ukraine’s Black Sea coast, which it also means shutting out vessels belonging to NATO in those regions in the Black Sea.


I think you're being very kind Kicks, in putting it that way. "Russia not interesting in taking Kiev." :wink: That was really "the big prize" of course.

IIRC, the EU is part of "the west".

Russia has made enemies of them by invading a neighbouring sovereign country, killing it's civilians in large numbers and destroying it's cities and towns. No matter how it's spun that's the reality. There was absolutely no reason - least of all some ridiculously concocted existential one, like an imminent NATO invasion of Russia - for what's happened.

There's no turning back for Putin - not Russia. He's dug himself a big hole and now has no way out of it. Four calamitous miscalculations (so far, anyway). It's not about Russia. It's about the personal survival of Vladimir Putin.

TBH, I'm surprised a man of your intellect has taken to the Russian side so enthusiastically. Struggling, like the others, to find reasons why the invasion is in fact going very well. When even a blind donkey could see that it's been a disaster. That, whilst talking about the Russians grabbing large parts of a neighbouring country as though it was a perfectly matter of fact, understandable and reasonable thing for them to do. :shock:

There was an interesting article in the CM last week. I didn't save it unfortunately. It was a cross survey of opinions about the invasion right across the EU. The country most supportive of Putin and most receptive to Russian propaganda, and the many associated conspiracy theories, first in all those 27 countries - by a very long measure - was............................................ :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Wed May 11, 2022 7:34 pm

Londonrake wrote:
TBH, I'm surprised a man of your intellect has taken to the Russian side so enthusiastically. Struggling, like the others, to find reasons why the invasion is in fact going very well. When even a blind donkey could see that it's been a disaster. That, whilst talking about the Russians grabbing large parts of a neighbouring country as though it was a perfectly matter of fact, understandable and reasonable thing for them to do. :shock:


Oh for God sake, can I not have an opinion without being labeled supportive of Russia, enthusiastically no less according to you? :roll: :lol:

I tell you what is annoying, that every Tom, Dick and Mary from the media and politicians in the west want to make people believe that Russia is losing this war as if there is a time limit how long a should last to declare a winner, or else the war is lost. I am not in favour of this war at all, but can I not have an opinion as an observer? :roll:

There was an easy way out from the beginning for both sides, but no one took it, so now we are where we are. Most wars since WWII could have been avoided but were not for one reason or the other. Mostly for this war, is having “too many cooks in the kitchen”. Zelensky has managed to grab the west by the balls and directing them to do what he wants them to do whether the west wants it or not. Perhaps the west is afraid he might spill the beans on what promises the west made to him to insist Ukraine must join NATO to get the predicted reaction from Russia. Well, Russia obliged and the country of Ukraine will become a welfare recipients state around the west’s neck for a very long time after the dust settles after the war is over.

I just write the way I see it. So far the war is going in Russia’s way since they are occupying most of the East and south of Ukraine ans slowly shutting the Black Sea door on Ukraine. Did I miss anything? :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Wed May 11, 2022 8:03 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
TBH, I'm surprised a man of your intellect has taken to the Russian side so enthusiastically. Struggling, like the others, to find reasons why the invasion is in fact going very well. When even a blind donkey could see that it's been a disaster. That, whilst talking about the Russians grabbing large parts of a neighbouring country as though it was a perfectly matter of fact, understandable and reasonable thing for them to do. :shock:


Oh for God sake, can I not have an opinion without being labeled supportive of Russia, enthusiastically no less according to you? :roll: :lol:

Of course you can Kicks! And you do. What on earth gave you the idea I was suggesting otherwise? :(

I tell you what is annoying, that every Tom, Dick and Mary from the media and politicians in the west want to make people believe that Russia is losing this war as if there is a time limit how long a should last to declare a winner, or else the war is lost. I am not in favour of this war at all, but can I not have an opinion as an observer? :roll:

Sorry, but it seemed quite clear that the Russians expected a fairly quick conclusion to their invasion. Like most I thought the same before the event.

I didn't suggest they were losing and in fact - check or take my word for it - have always said that sheer weight of numbers and material was relentlessly on their side. I'm sorry but the idea though that what's happened is anything other than a disaster for them is patent bollocks.


There was an easy way out from the beginning for both sides, but no one took it, so now we are where we are. Most wars since WWII could have been avoided but were not for one reason or the other. Mostly for this war, is having “too many cooks in the kitchen”. Zelensky has managed to grab the west by the balls and directing them to do what he wants them to do whether the west wants it or not. Perhaps the west is afraid he might spill the beans on what promises the west made to him to insist Ukraine must join NATO to get the predicted reaction from Russia. Well, Russia obliged and the country of Ukraine will become a welfare recipients state around the west’s neck for a very long time after the dust settles after the war is over.

The "easy way out" being what? That the Ukrainians hand over their country to Russia in the interests of a peaceful life?

It seems Zelenesky has on the one hand "grabbed the west by the balls" whilst on the other mortgaged his country to western capitalism for the next zillion years.

NATO - like GR's biowarfare facilities (all quiet on that front recently - ehh?) is a fabricated excuse. Total nonsense. 2 days ago Putin invoked memories of Nazi Germany, telling the Russian people he had acted to stop an imminent invasion. :roll: The Ukranians were the new Nazis backed by NATO. Total twattery of course. Ukraine's membership of NATO was subject to the agreement of all 30 countries. It wasn't about to happen anytime soon. Looks like that's not the case with Sweden and Finland now though - ehh? The ole "unintended consequences". The idea that the 30 NATO countries were every going to agree to the organisation invading Russia is - searches for suitable expression - got it - total fucking lunacy, :eyecrazy:

I just write the way I see it. So far the war is going in Russia’s way since they are occupying most of the East and south of Ukraine ans slowly shutting the Black Sea door on Ukraine. Did I miss anything? :roll:

Come on. Do you really believe, on day 77, that so far the war is going Russia's way? Sigh! None so blind I guess.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Wed May 11, 2022 8:59 pm

Well, anyway. That's the spirit.

Because of course, this thread is about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Sorry - their "special military operation". :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu May 12, 2022 12:31 am

Sometimes you wonder if some people were born in the same world us or did, they arrive from another planet.

Putin made no secret of his intention since 2007 regarding Ukraine. They will not be allowed to join Nato and if they try there will be serious consequences.

So, what has Finland just announced? They would like to join Nato. Especially as they have also witnessed what kind of help Nato gave to Ukraine and the devastation she suffered.
It actually looks like they are challenging Putin. They have been non-aligned since the war with no problems and now they are actually asking to be attacked.

I guess they will be fine in the end just like Ukraine as BoZo visited them and promised to help them.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu May 12, 2022 2:10 am

...all this talk about disruption boils down to one thing. Russia is a threat to the Finns, and it is the same threat to Canadians, it is, as a "buffer" state the same threat in the Ukraine; who gets invaded first, getting to the USA or to Europe?

It is not NATO the issue. Putin offers nothing better, better war machines but what else? NATO does offer better security against a man like Putin. Putin is Putin though. Cornered like a rat, he may solve the Problem, it is in effect the only solution that will save him from facing a War Crimes trial, and compared to a NAZI himself. After all, we have three of the greatest manipulators, politically speaking, all with the same Problem, their Peoples having the same needs, an end to "This".

NATO and Russia as a member makes more sense (and let the Ukraine join too). If this world is going to organise itself toward a bigger purpose (like against Hunger, Disease, Climate Change, and "Them") NATO may be better serving this purpose just by securing the "supply-chain" all Trade (and relief) needs. A China that feels isolated under such circumstances may come to understand that her great power as a social-economy cannot serve to the benefit of the "Chinese" alone; its Policy must demonstrate that it goes far beyond "This" as well.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby boomerang » Thu May 12, 2022 2:18 am

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:So.

Day 77 of the Russian army’s 72hr blitkrieg. Objective? To take Kiev and install a more “reasonable” administration. Followed by a bit of territorial tidying up.

Not forgetting. Bringing to an end NATO’s relentless expansion. Anything related in today’s news?

How’s it all working out?

I wonder if Paphitis has also been banned? :? :lol:


Russia no longer is interested in being in Kiev to change the government, assuming that was their goal to beging with.

No, the big prize for Russia is to shut Ukraine off the Black Sea 100% and that is where they are heading and then let the EU and the West, Russia’s new enemies, to financially support Ukraine until the cows come home, call it a sanction on the west if you like. Let’s see how long the aid to Ukraine by the west is going to last. In the meantime, with more weapons given to Ukraine by the west, more the destruction of Ukraine by Russia is taking place, meaning more money Ukraine will need from the west later to survive. It will become a vicious cycle until there won’t be a country called Ukraine left as we knew it. At this point there is no turning back for Russia and they will take over all of Ukraine’s Black Sea coast, which it also means shutting out vessels belonging to NATO in those regions in the Black Sea.


i agree with kik's assesment...the end game was always east ukraine along with the black sea...it started with crimea, this is the give away...

the US i am sure knows of this, so they figured what's to lose...arm the ukrains and see what the russians have...i do not think the US is losing any sleep over ukraine getting raised to the ground...
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby boomerang » Thu May 12, 2022 2:23 am

can someone tell me how many ukraine soldiers died and how many armaments have they lost, planes, helis, tanks, etc...thanks
because the ukraines boast how many russians died and what they lost...
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