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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 14, 2022 3:59 pm

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat May 14, 2022 4:30 pm

Paphitis.

Why are you posting all this nonsense?

Not a single civilian was harmed during the Russian occupation of Bucha. You have their word for it.

The so-called Russian withdrawal from Kharkiv and talk about the loss of their ships around Snake Island are just Western propaganda (like warnings about the invasion of Ukraine). The ships lost there were as a result of smoking accidents.

On day 79 of the Russian invasion of Ukraine all continues to go precisely in accordance with the plan of that "Master strategist" Vladimir Putin.

Concurrently, the Russian economy is booming. As native entrepreneurs flood in to take over from the 700+ western companies that have pulled out of the country.

You really need to be less negative.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 14, 2022 4:37 pm

Londonrake wrote:Paphitis.

Why are you posting all this nonsense?

Not a single civilian was harmed during the Russian occupation of Bucha. You have their word for it.

The so-called Russian withdrawal from Kharkiv and talk about the loss of their ships around Snake Island are just Western propaganda (like warnings about the invasion of Ukraine). The ships lost there were as a result of smoking accidents.

On day 79 of the Russian invasion of Ukraine all continues to go precisely in accordance with the plan of that "Master strategist" Vladimir Putin.

Concurrently, the Russian economy is booming. As native entrepreneurs flood in to take over from the 700+ western companies that have pulled out of the country.

You really need to be less negative.


LR,

I am literally dumbfounded at the denial dispalayed in this forum. I just can't believe how anyone can possibly take Russia's side in this war they themselves instigated by invading another country, and cause so much damage to that country, loss of infrastructure and killing civilians.

Then if that isn't enough, but it is somehow America's fault or NATO. Why I have no clue. Maybe it's because they are now supplying the Ukrainians with arms to defend their country with.

This war has been a total disaster now. Ukrainians have a lot of work to do, but I am feeling more confident than ever before that Ukraine will win this war. And that is what any just person should be hoping for.

And they would say we have a hatred for Russia. Nothing can bve further from the truth. We don't hate Russia. We could reverse the tables and if Ukraine let's say, invaded Russia and started committing war crimes against Russian people, and raising Russian cities and towns to the ground, I would personally find that equally condemnable in such such a scenario, I would have to support Russia. it's about being just and applying fairness and compassion to your fellow human beings. We need to be righteous and fair.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 14, 2022 4:53 pm

Now at what point will the apologists admit total defeat?

Right now, the Russians are losing ground, hundreds of soldiers each day with hundreds of armoured vehicles destroyed. The bravery displayed by the Ukrainian Military and Ukrainian People is unprecedented in our time. Credit must be given where credit is due.

They are fighting Russia on their turf, and really giving a very good account of themselves. Such vigor and resolve is so hard to beat. Inevitably, victory will be theirs.

Ukrainians have a lot to be proud of to say the least. Strength to their elbows for sure.

But the falsehood that Russia invaded because they felt threatened over Ukrain's ambitions to join NATO is a falsehood. There was literally no chance that Ukraine was going to join NATO anytime soon as France and Germany opposed it. Why? Well they didn't want to piss Pootin off. So that argument is a falacy.

The world however now owes Ukraine big time. Their admission into the EU is inevitable.

But the admission of Sweden and Finland into NATO is now inevitable too. So what victory is there for Russia. No victory. Just failure and massive losses. Sweden and Finland is a big gain for NATO and a massive validation for the alliance as well.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat May 14, 2022 5:46 pm

Paphitis wrote:Now at what point will the apologists admit total defeat?


I think you're being harsh. It isn't a case of "total defeat". The Motherland is and never has been in any danger of invasion. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong but will stick to my view that Russian fire and manpower should ultimately prevail in Ukraine. Putin has obviously gone "all in" regardless of cost.

It's really more a case to me of those who - after 79 days - are still promoting the view that all is well for the Russian army. It's going to some carefully crafted - cunning - plan. When clearly, that's total bollocks.

The idea the Russian army could put up some sort of front against any other NATO country (including candidates) has been exposed for what it is. A fantasy.

The great man's earlier megaphone support of how Russian is capable of fighting on multiple fronts is exposed. They're clearly getting a mauling in Ukraine, never mind about concurrently taking on the likes of Finland/Sweden/Japan - etc. Use of a nuclear weapon would immediately signal the end of Vladimir Putin's megalomaniac dreams. Including him.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 14, 2022 5:59 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Now at what point will the apologists admit total defeat?


I think you're being harsh. It isn't a case of "total defeat". The Motherland is and never has been in any danger of invasion. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong but will stick to my view that Russian fire and manpower should ultimately prevail in Ukraine. Putin has obviously gone "all in" regardless of cost.

It's really more a case to me of those who - after 79 days - are still promoting the view that all is well for the Russian army. It's going to some carefully crafted - cunning - plan. When clearly, that's total bollocks.

The idea the Russian army could put up some sort of front against any other NATO country (including candidates) has been exposed for what it is. A fantasy.

The great man's earlier megaphone support of how Russian is capable of fighting on multiple fronts is exposed. They're clearly getting a mauling in Ukraine, never mind about concurrently taking on the likes of Finland/Sweden/Japan - etc. Use of a nuclear weapon would immediately signal the end of Vladimir Putin's megalomaniac dreams. Including him.


I never meant for one second that total defeat means the total defeat of all of Russia.

The objective for Russia in the beginning was the capture of all Ukraine, by taking over the capital. That objective quickly changed after heavy resistence. Now the objective is to capture Donbass and Luhansk. That too showing earli=y signs of failure.

I do not believe Russia will prevail in Ukraine. I think the Ukrainians are now much better equiped with Billions worth of arms streaming in. But more importantly, the average Ukrainian Soldier has high morale, and actually knows what they are fighting for.

If you look at the 1000 odd Ukrainians, still holding firm in the steel works in Mariupol, and apply such tenacity and vigor across the entire Ukrainian Military, which I believe to be the case, then there is no way Ukraine will lose this war.

What you see in Ukraine, has been seen before, by the Americans and also our very own Australian Military in Vietnam. Russia is in for a hell of a time in Ukraine, and will soon, be in full retreat within a matter of a few weeks.

There are 1000 Ukrainians fighting to the end in Mariupol. How can anyone fight against such soldiers?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 14, 2022 6:05 pm

And it's not as if the Russian equipment is any good. Ukrainian Military are taking out their tanks with toy drones, carrying 4 grenades.

I am just totally shocked how the surviveability of these Russian Tanks is so low.

I wonder how an Abrams would go, because it appears the Russians have a lot of junk.

The idea that Russia is a force that is in any way a major conventional threat to NATO is just pure fantasy.

RIP Russia. Pootin really [email protected] up. He made his bed, now it's time to lay in it. That's if he remains in power for much longer. He has a lot of enemies now - Oligarchs, to even the Russian Military itself. Personally, I think Pootin is going to be knocked off very soon.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat May 14, 2022 6:20 pm

And yet - according to Pyrpro's earlier post (now, like the great man himself, bailed out it seems) - the Russian's took Mariupol weeks ago. The rest of what's left being contemptuous.

What's going on at Azovsal seems to me reminiscent of Thermopylae or Rorke's Drift. Surely, a lesson to the Russians on how tenacious Ukrainian fighters will be?
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